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#2320089 Flyers sign Weber to offer sheet: 14y/$110m ($56m 1st 4yrs)

Posted by Shaman on 19 July 2012 - 12:56 AM

The problem is Holland is getting burned by being too conservative with his moves, and in doing so he's letting the team decline instead of taking a risk and possibly making a wrong move. There's an old saying 'Action is always better than inaction'.

#2320052 Flyers sign Weber to offer sheet: 14y/$110m ($56m 1st 4yrs)

Posted by Shaman on 19 July 2012 - 12:21 AM

The insult to injury part of this is that in spite of loss draft picks (look at the last 4 season 1st rounders the Wings have, compare them to Weber), is that his cap hit is lower than Suter's.

#2319579 Doan staying in PHX 4 yrs $21.2 mill

Posted by Shaman on 17 July 2012 - 03:49 PM

I'd either sign him for one season at a relatively high cap hit (5-6) or 2+ for a low hit (3-3.5). Not high cap hit and a lot of seasons.

#2319339 The biggest difference in the Nashville series

Posted by Shaman on 15 July 2012 - 05:36 PM

First of all I'm not blaming Howard. But Howard didn't play as good as he normally does and Rinne was even better than he normally is.
That's the nature of goaltending sometimes they're hot, sometimes they're not as good as usual and most often they are as good as they are, I guess you can say that all for positions but with goalies there is even more variance.
if Howard played as well as he did at the beginning of the season or as well as he did in the 10-11 playoffs I have no doubt we would have won even though Rinne was as hot as he was.
We did have trouble getting to rebounds a good power forward would have made a world of difference there

If Howard played as well as Rinne did with the lack of scoring they would still be playing game one right now.

#2319044 Doan staying in PHX 4 yrs $21.2 mill

Posted by Shaman on 13 July 2012 - 07:49 PM

Crosby took a lot less then he's worth because he's a team player and leader.

Because there are only so many GI Joes one kid needs.

#2318976 Holland Content with Current Roster

Posted by Shaman on 13 July 2012 - 02:25 PM

I also want to take this time to blame every other GM beside Lombardi for not winning the cup.
You all know what you didn't do to make your teams better, how dare you all.

Holland is an easy target for everyone who thinks the glass is half empty, no amount of trades and free agents will guarantee your team a cup and to blame the GM for a perceived lack of moves is ignorant.

" Damn you Kenny! Why didn't you go back in time and move the Suters and Parises to Detroit before they where born! "

There is absolutely nothing better any of you could have done. Period.

As I have said, there are two sides that are both too extreme, your camp 'all is well, no need to worry, don't question Kenny, its blasphemy' and the 'The sky is falling and we will never be good' side. They are both starting to get on my nerves, this team is not what they were, its clear, but the sky hasn't fallen, and the Wings still have a solid roster, they will just need to claw their way in. Now to address your point, could Kenny have done better? Yes, this should be clear to anyone looking. Did he s*** the bed? I don't think so, but, inaction in a lot of peoples minds isn't much better. Personally I am in the 'wait and see' camp, I can see where both sides are coming from, and both have good points.

#2318943 Holland Content with Current Roster

Posted by Shaman on 13 July 2012 - 12:52 PM

Wasn't refering to just his work as GM.

To be clear the success of the Wings, just like the failures of the Wings are not Holland's alone, its the whole management and coaching infrastructure. If I wanted Holland fired (and I may after this season (2012-13)), it wouldn't be just a message to Holland, but to the whole front office. This season will tell the real worth of the Ken Holland Red Wings. (I say this because up until 2008-2009 the Wings were pretty much the team built by Bowman and Jimmy D along with Holland).

#2318844 Holland Content with Current Roster

Posted by Shaman on 13 July 2012 - 01:33 AM

Imagine if Flippula continues to go forward and keeps scoring? There's so many intangibles with this team. I believe Datsyuk can get back to 90+ points I think you can say last year a bad year for him. the year before Datsyuk was over a point per game had he not been injured he would have been on the league leaders. Franzen can snap back. It was only two years ago Datsyuk, Zetterberg and Franzen were playing close to their best hockey.

Too. Many. Ifs.

If Datsyuk, Zetterberg, And Franzen go back to old form. If Filpulla continues to progress, Smith, Quinecy, Kindl and Ericsson take the next step. That's what you seem not to grasp, this team COULD be good, but, unless everything goes right, they aren't even as good as they were last year. I expect them to regress to a bubble team, because I am realistic, I will cheer for them if they are a bottom feeder or SC winners, but I won't delude myself.

#2318827 How bad are we if our roster is now finalized?

Posted by Shaman on 12 July 2012 - 11:19 PM

I like turtles

Seriously, I keep saying this, it seems there is no middle ground here... its either 'the Wings are fine and they will win forever and ever and ever' or 'The Wings better start scouting the top draft candidates now, because they are a lottery team'. This team is clearly a bubble team as it stands right now, its neither good enough to be considered elite nor bad enough to be considered a bottom feeder. As I said in other threads, I am afraid this team will become like Calgary, coming up a little short, not making it in the playoffs, or getting bounced early, and the management never seeing the forest for the trees and addressing the problems because they are always 'that close' to being there.

#2318612 Holland Content with Current Roster

Posted by Shaman on 12 July 2012 - 11:52 AM

Everyone needs to calm down, its July 12th, still months from October and the start of hockey season, there is still a lot of time. This team does have needs, but honestly, what can he say? 'The wings need to make huge trade/get a FA at any cost'... If he says that well any cost will be higher than it would have been otherwise, and that says a lot because its already a sellers market. Calm down, enjoy the warm, dry weather in Michigan, and realize that until the season starts Kenny does have time.

#2317894 Reminder: Personal attacks, trolling will not be tolerated

Posted by Shaman on 10 July 2012 - 06:49 PM

How am I supposed to win an internet debate without using Ad homs?

#2317753 looking for a pic of franzen

Posted by Shaman on 10 July 2012 - 02:16 PM

Just google 'floating' you'll be sure to find it.

#2317711 How bad are we if our roster is now finalized?

Posted by Shaman on 10 July 2012 - 12:18 PM

The final answer to this thread is this:

This team is a playoff team if everything goes right. If all the players that need to take a step forward take it, if all the players that underachieved return to form, if all players that overachieved continue to overachieve, and there are no injuries. If all these things happen this team will be #4 or #5 in the West. If any of these things don't happen the team has a very real chance of regressing to a bubble team. If the worst case happens and more than one of these things don't happen this team may not make the playoffs. This is why a lot of us want Semin or Doan and another D-man, because it gives the Wings wiggle room, so that if something doesn't go perfectly they will not be hurt as much by it. With all the trends of the last 3 seasons, I would say that if the Wings do stand pat, it will be a very long season indeed.

#2317587 The Next Move

Posted by Shaman on 10 July 2012 - 01:20 AM

There will be no trades for a forward this offseason, Holland isn't that stupid. Especially these high profile players where you're pretty much guaranteed to get screwed over. With the FA pool being so bad this year we acquired enough forwards that we can use them to trade for something we don't have enough of, defensemen. Are you people really that short sighted that when you hear a high profile player is on the trading block you don't even take into consideration the shape our team is in right now. We've upgraded our forwards already, now we have to trade for defence. Signing Doan or Semin is all you can ask for in forward department.

The Wings have not upgrade on Forward, they have move laterally on forward at best. Sammy is a year older and playing with worse line mates, so no way hes a 50 point player, especially if he lands on the third line. Brunner is an unproven commodity, and shouldn't be counted on to be anything until he shows he can make the transition to the NA game. Tootoo is a spare part that was benched by the Preds at the end of last season and during the playoffs on a Preds team that is not deep at Forward. Add to this Bertuzzi and Cleary are both a year older and not showing signs of not declining I don't see how you can say they are better in the forward department. Add the less dangerous offense to a defense that has taken at least a step and a half backwards, well... the bright side is a down year could reduce Howard's value on his next contract anyway.

#2317428 PK Subban for Flippula and Tatar?

Posted by Shaman on 09 July 2012 - 06:12 PM

this is a cruel joke. where is 'report abuse' button?

If you read the OP you'd know I was trying to post this in the rumor section. Again I apologize.