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#2180927 Changes in the offseason

Posted by Shaman on 29 May 2011 - 07:54 PM

I never said I didn't think he deserves a shot, I don't see anything wrong with competition in training camp, though. You're right I want nothing but goons on this team. Datsyuk for George Parros. Zetterberg for Colton Orr. Lidstrom for Matt Carkner. You caught me..

Yikes. :rolleyes:

The way you always seem to post that the missing piece the wings just cant win without is a fighter, I start to get the feeling that you would make those trades. The Wings don't need a fighter, you want them to have a fighter because you find fighting entertaining, if you would come out and affirm this statement and not make it seem like the only reason you want them to carry a fighter is because its their one dire need, I will stop arguing with you.


#2180836 Changes in the offseason

Posted by Shaman on 29 May 2011 - 01:12 PM

Quick facts about FA that LGW posters seem oblivious to:

Discounts:
Players like Richards are willing to take a discount to play for a better team, but hes looking at 7-8 million depending on the team he signs for, hes not going to take a 20% pay cut to play for Detroit, sorry. Do I think Holland gives him a call? Sure, if only to drive his price up for other teams, but I dont see him coming to Detroit, and if he does, no way for less than 7 a year.

RFA:
Holland doesn't poach players, and players like Weber and Doughty are not the type teams walk away from even for multiple high picks, if the wings get them it'll mean players, prospects and picks going back to the respective trading partners. Personally again if I were Holland after the statement by Nashville management that they would match any offer given to Weber would offer him something outrageous so that Sutter could become in option in 2012, but Nashville won't let Weber go.

Grit:
Yes the wings need some, but come on guys, fighting and grit aren't always the same thing, and don't disguise your want for an enforcer by playing at the wings need for energy guys who are willing to go to the dirty parts of the ice or clear the front of the net.

Flavor of the months:
If the Wings don't pick up Wiz/konopka/etc and he has a bad season, I will bet everyone who wanted him will be deriding him next season, just saying.


#2179163 Brian Rafalski announces retirement after 11 NHL seasons

Posted by Shaman on 24 May 2011 - 04:16 PM

Jovo is wearing down, missed lots of time with Phoenix this year.

We can afford Ehroff and Wiz with Ericsson comming back at about $2.5 mill if priced right.

With Ericsson gone we can easily afford Ehroff/Wiz. Which is the best case scenario for me.

Then if Lids retires after next year and we get Brent Burns...

Burns - Kronwall
Ehroff - Smith
Stuart - Wiz
Kindl?

Nice.

If Nik retires next year, and with Nashville signing Weber this year Suter would be a viable option.


#2179014 Brian Rafalski announces retirement after 11 NHL seasons

Posted by Shaman on 24 May 2011 - 10:38 AM

Joni Pitkanen and Kevin Bieksa... neither alone would replace Rafi, but together they both add pieces to the team they need (youth, scoring, grit, etc) and make up Rafi's points,.


#2177404 gritty players I would like the wings to sign

Posted by Shaman on 19 May 2011 - 08:56 PM

Playing on a line with guys like Helm, Eaves etc, I could see Konopka hitting around 20 points. I have watched him quite a bit because the Isles have a lot of ex sting players who I used to have season tickets too. For those who say he is a one dimensional goon, he isnt. Getting a heavyweight fighter who can PK like he can, specialize in faceoffs and skate more than 10 minutes a game is exactly what the wings need. The only people (Im not saying you Doc, just in general) who should be opposed to a Konopka signing are the ones who do not want fighting in the game at all

:clap:

Thats right folks a guy who in almost 200 games scored 22 points will somehow score 20 points in 82, I don't think he could score 20 on Crosby's wing.


#2177348 Draft Talk

Posted by Shaman on 19 May 2011 - 06:01 PM

ya, and only 1, ONE of those Cups were won with small skilled forwards. So take your head out of your other ear so you can hear. Oh, and on that Cup team, the two recently drafted forwards to actually contribute? Abdelkader and Helm, far from your small, skilled, soft player. Example of a player who was that way? Ritola, and he contributed himself right off the team. The list of small, soft players Holland has drafted goes on, and for the most part the have yet too, and may never make this team. I get the shakes when I think of this team when the grittiest player is Datsyuk. Image this line, Mursak - Hudler - Tatar. EEEEEEGAD! Listen, I don't claim to know as much as Holland, but as a fan of this team since 1979, I have seen the makeup change a few times, and right now, this team is FAR from winning another Cup, especially if they don't get bigger and tougher. I am not saying a team full of enforcers, but a team full of Hudler's and Mursak's isn't gonna win you a Cup. I just hope that Holland trends the way of Sheahan rather that the way of Hudler...

edit: You Avatar says it all...unfortunately...Of course I can deal with Filppula as long as he plays on Datsyuk's wing. Holmstrom and Rafalski are here til the retire, Hudler...... Oh Father, Thou Art In Heaven, Please Tell Holland To Trade Hudler, Please....

Datsyuk? Zetterberg? Filpulla? St Louis? Small skilled forwards are worthless, hell Crosby is under 6 foot he must be worthless too.


#2176820 gritty players I would like the wings to sign

Posted by Shaman on 18 May 2011 - 02:07 PM

Ah yes, the "I don't like fighting so I'll use my broad brush to paint all fighters as useless non-skating apes who are complete detriments to their teams" argument. Carry on...

esteef

I never said I didn't like fighting, I just don't like having a player whose main skill set is fighting. I am a fan of a player who brings a real NHL skill set to a team but also stands up for themselves and others. I am saying that the one thats name is being thrown around is not a player I would like on the wings given the number of bottom six players the wings already have on their big team/in their system. Nice strawman though.


#2176808 Changes in the offseason

Posted by Shaman on 18 May 2011 - 01:20 PM

If Lids takes a $1M or more pay cut to stay on another year, buying out Hudler's remaining year makes this work:

3.00M Hudler ( C )
1.25M Ericsson ( D )
0.75M Salei ( D )
1.25M Modano ( C )
1.10M Osgood ( G )
1.25M Draper ( C )

$8.60M Cap space cleared

3.25M Wisniewski ( D )
0.85M Kindl ( D )
2.40M Laich ( C )
0.60M Konopka ( C )
0.70M Tatar ( C )
0.80M McCollum ( G )

TOTAL: $8.60M*

Just thought I'd throw something together to add to the talks. :)
*Numbers are rounded off at the ten-thousands, so not 100% exact, but very close.

Sorry, Tatar and McCollum aren't NHL ready, and Konopka would be a 13th forward at best.


#2176768 gritty players I would like the wings to sign

Posted by Shaman on 18 May 2011 - 11:32 AM

Last year Konopka was not fighting to keep a roster spot. Gillies was below him on the depth chart and still played almost every game he wasn't suspended.

The Isles sure thought they were getting pushed around because they said the game against the Penguins was a response to the Isles having their younger players ran by multiple teams (with Pitt being the worst offender). I'll take their word for it.

Your post doesn't address the point I made of Konopka's playing ability. I have no doubt he could produce at least 75% of Miller's points while also providing an intangible element the Wings lack. If you take away Miller's points while not on the fourth line, Konopka could likely match him.

Konopka is the type of enforcer that the Wings could play 82 games a year. With the current depth it probably won't happen, but that excuse is around every year with the Wings development system. Personally, I think we're (unfortunately) more likely to see McGrattan signed and play 30 games than Konopka.

There is no evidence of any of this, hes played nearly 200 games, if he had any scoring touch it would have manifested by now. What intangibles does he bring? He only has one skill that no wing is willing to use and thats the want to fight, and thats not a needed skill set in the 2011 NHL. Beyond that with Emmerton coming up and the wings already being deep at bottom 6 forward I just don't see where he fits, he doesn't realistically play 10 minutes a game because he sits almost half that in the box, and with Miller being a 13th forward I don't see who besides Miller you would take out to put this guy in so he can play 82 games.


#2176663 gritty players I would like the wings to sign

Posted by Shaman on 17 May 2011 - 10:01 PM

Oh so you mean a guy with good leadership, the ability to fight, PK a bit and is the best faceoff man in the league would be a good option as a cheap 13th forward since he is multi faceted?

How is Miller exactly multi faceted? He can PK, what else can he do? He cant hit hard, he doesnt put up a tonne of points, he doesnt fight etc

Well Drew Miller put up almost as many points in 66 as Konopka has in 195, so I would say that right there would put him as more valuable, he kills PKs, he goes to the dirty areas, and best yet, he doesn't average over 3.5 (per ten mins of ice time) minutes in the penalty box per game. Konopka isn't particularly defensively sound (not compared to your average Detroit center), at least not from what I have seen from his stats and the games Ive seen him in.

If you think a guy who spends over 1/3 of his ice time per game in the box is a good addition to a team thats your right, I personally think its a poor idea. As I keep saying if we can get a player that can add grit and actual scoring talent to our team I would be in favor, but no warm bodies who are only on a team because they can fight.

The best option for any grit would come on the blue line as a 6th/7th defenseman, with the high number of offensively sound D men Detroit has adding some girt on the back end wouldn't hurt.


#2176588 gritty players I would like the wings to sign

Posted by Shaman on 17 May 2011 - 07:35 PM

If people don't like enforcers, they should stay out of this thread. This is a thread where people who like tough style hockey can discuss realistic options the Wings have.


Konopka would be an ideal 13th forward for the team, especially with his faceoff skills. Would come in very handy on the 4th line especially if Draper doesn't come back. However I don't think there will be much change on the 4th line with Mursak ready for next season. Only one depth signing at most maybe. Lets hope its along those lines.

Any extra grit for next season will probably come from the defensive zone. James Wisniewski would be ideal, or Shane O'Brien. We need someone to clear the front of the net and punish opposition forwards.

I think that since this is a free forum for all to post their opinions as they please that people who think adding a goon like Konopka (who has 22 points in 195 games) would not help the wings can have their say.

My opinion is that a multifaceted player that adds more than grit(IE fighting) would be the best option.


#2176463 Sharks Accuse Canucks of Diving

Posted by Shaman on 17 May 2011 - 11:41 AM

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#2176375 gritty players I would like the wings to sign

Posted by Shaman on 16 May 2011 - 10:53 PM

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Enforcer debate here we come.


#2175505 Draft Talk

Posted by Shaman on 14 May 2011 - 11:42 AM

Right now Detroit is low on scoring wingers and defensive defenders, so that would be what I would want them to pursue. I wonder if anyone will take Hudler, and the Wings' first for a higher pick, because Sven Baertschi looks like an interesting pick.


#2175087 Simple off-season post

Posted by Shaman on 13 May 2011 - 12:49 PM

Brad Richards, Brooks Laich, Alex Tanguay, Michael Ryder (if he takes a nice hair cut), James Wisniewski, Joni Pitkanen, Alex Auld.

This is the list of players I could see fitting into the wings nicely and adding something they lack. Obviously not all of them, but, 1-2 could really help in my mind.