Shaman464

This really sucks, especially if this is Ozzie's last season.  

During the post game interview, Babs said he was going to maintain the same rotation schedule, with Joey playing anytime Ozzie was scheduled to start.

Without two of the Detroit's top scorers I really don't think the Wing's will be able to overcome McDonald's horrid play.

this is what i've been saying all along.  all they care about now is who gets the most points..

Thats why Mike Green has been taking them home so much lately  

NHL.com reporters make ESPN reporters look like experts, I never read anything posted on NHL.com other than recaps because just like Bettman it seems everyone on the writing staff for their site have never seen a game of hockey before in their lives.

Ok, im new to the site so hello everyone.

But i got thinking the other day and i was wondering why the red wings dont have a tough guy. I mean honesty its not like a tough guy could do any worse than hudler or the now injured washed up haz been madano. If we had a tough guy atleast he would go out and do something to create energy. The way i think of it as if you cant score atleast try and hit and fight and get energy in the place. if you cant fight than you should be able to score and produce. Hudler is doing none of that right now. hes not scoring so he should be atleast hitting and fighing making himself noticable.
Bob probert died over the summer, the least the wings could do is show a little spin and get a tough guy.  

And dont tell me that abby and ericsson are tough becuause while they fight mabye 2-3 times a year they arent an enforcer just a GRITTY guy. we have a bunch of grit but not toughnest. red wings were playing some amazing hockey 3 years ago when downey was patrolling the ice. The wings neeed that more than ever. remember when lapperier layed out lidstrom? downey was the one that came to his aid and beat his ass.

Also dont tell me a team with all tough guys doesnt win because the pens are currently leading the nhl in fights and are the best team in the nhl right now. They are the ideal team right now with skill and toughness. they are the wings of the 90's. Sure they can play the most skilled team in the league and beat them but they can also play the toughest teams and mop the floor with them too. They can score goals all night long but went things turn ugly they will beat the crap out of you. they have 3 heavy weight in godard, engelland, and rupp. but they also have adams, orpik, and asham.

In the off season this year we could have gone out and got a tough guy. we could have gotten 3 konopka's for the price of hudler or madano.  No but we decided the waste our cap space on a whased up has been in madano and a small none physical euro in hudler.  what happend to the days of probert, kocur, lapointe, shanny, and mccarty. the only guys on the team now with some balls are abby, helm, eaves and stuart.  for the love of god ken holland get someone on the team that can go out and do the dirty work.

DO IT FOR PROBERT!!!

End rant. Sorry if i offendend any of you guys but i though i would just make a point.

I think i will like this place.

First welcome to the forums, next:

With the current depth the Red Wings' system has at Forward going out and getting an enforcer to play 5 minutes a night would at best be counter productive. If you sit Hudler replacing him with an enforcer would not upgrade the roster because replacing a scorer and a top 9 player with a bottom 3 enforcer only clogs up the over flow in the bottom 3, it doesn't improve the top 9. What the Wings really need is a scoring Winger, too many of the wings (aside from Franzen and to a lesser extent Cleary) have a pass first mentality, and no one who wants to finish. I am sure this will stir up the enforcer bees nest, but c'est la vie.

This isn't cut and dry, nor am I saying we should trade him for anything to come along, there are infact only a very short list of players I think the wings should even consider. I myself voted to only trade him for a player that adds somethings the wings don't already have. Filppula does add a lot of great things to this team, when hes hot, hes a real force out there, and hes far above average defensively compared to anyone not named Staal, kesler, Datsyuk or Zetterberg. In fact I really believe this kid really could be in Selke conversation in the next few seasons, and thats part of the reason I started this thread, Filppula is the one player the wings could move, and get a lot of pieces back in return for without trading Dats or Z. I know I come off as an anti Flip guy, and thats mostly me being defensive, all I am trying to do is make the point that there are players, that while aren't as skilled in every area as Flip, could bring skill sets to this team that the wings lack.

Fedorov

Good on him!  

I still like Fedorov no matter what people say about him, he was a great wing, very entertaining and he does care about Detroit.

Hull did it faster.

Maybe they can do some exploratory surgery and see if there's a medical reason he lacks sportsmanship.

Doing better than flip.

4am! Where you from?

Ohio, they are crazy down there.

Doc said shutout... please curse... PLEASE

Don Cherry approves of these jerseys.

So is the hockey game before or after the circus?

not to beat a dead horse buttttt.....

trading a 50+ point guy for a 30 point agitator? ya this is serious and won't turn into an enforcer vs no enforcer debate