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#1992444 Lidstrom Signs 1-Year Contract Extension

Posted by Electrophile on 01 June 2010 - 01:09 PM

One of them will have a Norris Trophy and a one of them will most likely have a Stanley Cup ring. The most recent Norris Trophy and most recent Stanley Cup, which are the most important in determining their current value.

If you think that Lidstrom is still worth over 10 million dollars a year, fine. I won't ever be able to change your mind. But from where I'm sitting, the best defenseman this year and probably most years from this point forward, a 25 year old kid, just signed a contract that will take him into and throughout the prime of his career for a 5.5 million dollar cap hit. He did it because he loves the city and his team and because he wants to compete for the championship as often as is possible with the current salary cap. Duncan Keith will undoubtedly sacrifice more salary throughout his career than Lidstrom has. That's called character.



The implication being that Nick has no character? Well isn't that a nice thing to say about our captain and future Hall of Famer. "f*** that Lidstrom, he's a greedy prick."


I love how I say I'm rooting for the Hawks to win the Stanley Cup because it would mean something to my dad and that means I'm a traitor but saying Nick Lidstrom has no character and is essentially a money-hungry ******* is the mark of a "true" fan.


#1992428 Lidstrom Signs 1-Year Contract Extension

Posted by Electrophile on 01 June 2010 - 01:03 PM

This is unfathomable to me. One of the greatest players the Red Wings have EVER had, just signs a one-year contract to stay with the team rather than retire, which we all feared........and people are pissed?


Jesus, no wonder people think we're spoiled. Maybe Nick should have retired. Then you people really would have something to ***** about.


#1992422 Lidstrom Signs 1-Year Contract Extension

Posted by dat's sick on 01 June 2010 - 01:01 PM

Stupid analogy. How is you life going to change from making 7.5 million a year versus 4 million. You're still rich as f***. 50,000 versus 26,000 is a huge change in lifestyle, though.

I can not believe people actually think like this.

edit: I also can't believe this thread is overwhelmingly negative reactions. What the hell LGW.


#1992361 Lidstrom Signs 1-Year Contract Extension

Posted by xtrememachine1 on 01 June 2010 - 12:02 PM

How does that logic work???


We're getting the best defenseman in the game back for another year and he's playing for more than 5 cents! Geez, do I have to draw you a diagram? :D


#1992294 Lidstrom Signs 1-Year Contract Extension

Posted by ShanahanMan on 01 June 2010 - 11:19 AM

I know I'm in the minority here but I really feel that number is way too high and will prove to be VERY costly when we try to make additions to the team in the off-season. It's alright, I'll just be able to once again say "I told you so" when the board starts flipping out over the lower than expected stats Lids will have next season.

Come on Lids.....you've essentially been making 7+ mil every season for the last 10 years. You couldn't take one for the team just this once?


#1992283 Lidstrom Signs 1-Year Contract Extension

Posted by dat's sick on 01 June 2010 - 11:14 AM

so much for that discount.......

YES LET'S PAY LIDSTROM A HALF-EATEN HOTDOG IN HIS (MAYBE) LAST SEASON OF HIS LEGENDARY CAREER WHEN HE'S STILL ONE OF THE TOP 5 D-MEN IN THE LEAGUE

GOOD IDEA


#1991900 CBC's Hotstove: Lidstrom to determine future within 7 days

Posted by SouthernWingsFan on 31 May 2010 - 06:13 PM

I haven't seen one person call him a selfish, greedy jerk. Stop trying to stir the pot. Everyone that is expecting Lidstrom to sign for substantially less are basing it off rumors that he would come back if he thought the team could win a Cup. Which implies that he wants to win another Cup. If that is true, then taking a 6-7+ contract won't help the cause.

Stop trying to turn this into an anti-Lidstrom thing for your own amusement. Just because some of us would be disappointed in him a little doesn't mean anyone thinks he is a selfish, greedy jerk.

Then stop giving the perception that Lidstrom isn't a team player and is selfish if he accepts 6 or 7 million or whatever (not just you, but a few other people as well).

And believe me, this thread does not amuse me whatsoever and I'm not trying to turn anything into stuff for my enjoyment.


#1991882 CBC's Hotstove: Lidstrom to determine future within 7 days

Posted by Broken 16 on 31 May 2010 - 05:09 PM

That's kinda like saying that despite the fact that billions of people will buy Coke at $1 a can every week, it's still overpriced. A product is worth what someone is willing to pay.



Right. And all I'm saying is that if he is gonna demand 6-7, then I wouldn't mind letting him walk. No biggie.

The market clearly shows that Nicklas Lidstrom is worth more than a cap hit of $6m despite the opinion of you and the other armchair GM's at LGW.


No s*** Sherlock. We all know what he is worth. I'm not the one listing stupid examples of other salaries to prove a point. Salaries handed out by other GM's for other teams. God forbid someone out there actually overpaid for a need.

All I'm saying is that if he demands 6-7, money is a little more important to Nick than another Cup. Fine. Whatever. And yes, it will tarnish him a little in my eyes. Not my problem that he succeeded Yzerman, one of the best ever, as captain. Sorry he has such big shoes to fill.


#1991876 CBC's Hotstove: Lidstrom to determine future within 7 days

Posted by Broken 16 on 31 May 2010 - 05:03 PM

I still get a kick out of people thinking that if Lidstrom doesn't take a discount for the betterment of the team, he is a greedy selfish jerk.

Sure, we've seen examples of people deferring money in the past. But it isn't the norm in business, nor should it be expected/assumed even though it's happened in Detroit a few times over a span of years and years.

Giving up money to stay at a job longer or being loyal is definitely and honorable thing to do, but to expect Lidstrom to just give up millions to be a team player is just silly, when he is still one of the best defensemen in the league. Thinking less of him if he doesn't do so is even more ridiculous since he's taken cuts here/there in the past as already previous stated.

Would it be nice if he took a huge pay cut for the team? Of course. Should we expect him to? Nope.




I haven't seen one person call him a selfish, greedy jerk. Stop trying to stir the pot. Everyone that is expecting Lidstrom to sign for substantially less are basing it off rumors that he would come back if he thought the team could win a Cup. Which implies that he wants to win another Cup. If that is true, then taking a 6-7+ contract won't help the cause.

Stop trying to turn this into an anti-Lidstrom thing for your own amusement. Just because some of us would be disappointed in him a little doesn't mean anyone thinks he is a selfish, greedy jerk.


#1992149 SCF Game Two GDT

Posted by Jedi on 31 May 2010 - 11:59 PM

This topic of conversation is getting WAY too personal.

You may not agree with people's decision to cheer for one team over the other in this series, but some of the posts here are getting out of hand. If you don't agree with another member's choice or reason in who they're cheering for, that's fine. But responding in the manner that I've seen the last few pages have been childish at the least, and bordering on the edge of breaking the Forum Rules at the worst.

Keep the discussions civil please. Either agree, or disagree, but at least give other members the common courtesy of respecting the decisions that they have made and move on.


#1992148 SCF Game Two GDT

Posted by NC WINGS FAN on 31 May 2010 - 11:50 PM

QFT
Now that's a comment I can get behind. People do have different reasons for hating. Mine happen to have more to do with what actually happens on the ice versus what fans do. I could care less about fan bases. I don't have to live in those cities nor do I have to deal with those people. I might as well be ticked off at people in Delaware as to be pizzed at Hawk fans or Flyer fans for that matter.

And as for Flyers fans. It's been my understanding that some of the most obnoxious, rude and truculent fans on the planet reside in Philly. Never been there so can't speculate myself.

As for the Hawks uniforms. I love them. Always have. Much the same way I love the Habs red unis or the simple elegance of the Wings and Maple Leafs jerseys.

And yes, I admit it, I have a fondness for all things historical. That said, I have a special place in my heart for Original 6 teams and their history.

What have the Flyers ever done other than embarrass the sport and turn it into a sideshow spectacle that was the Broad Street Bullies? I love a good fistfight as much as the next guy. But they were ridiculous.

In any event, even if Hartnell was not in the picture, I could never root for Chris Pronger. As decent, nice, jovial and well spoken he is off the ice, the utter ******-baggery he's committed against the Wings during his career (and other teams) just prohibits me for rooting for him. It'd be like rooting for a team with Claude Lemeiux on it. Absolutely no way in hell i'm ever going to do that.

Pronger putting Homer's head into the glass deliberately

or

Patrick Kane allegedly popping a cabby in the face

as a Wings fan, which one do you think upsetted me more when it happened?

nuff said.



I am with you here.

I guess I am one of those odd-balls who likes to root for our divisional opponents, and the O-Six, in the post season, especially when the Wings are done. I can understand why we Detroit fans hated Colorado in the 90s and Anaheim now, but Chicago? For what? Some unwritten rule that we must hate our divisional rivals or we are traitors? To me, it seems a tad sheepish.

Teams like Chicago winning are good for the league, and ultimately, the Wings. It would be nice to see Detroit, Chicago, and St.Louis all contenders at the same time b/c there was nothing more boring than seeing the Wings be the only relevant team in the division. Okay, there was Nashville to some extent, but no one really cares about them.


#1992128 SCF Game Two GDT

Posted by Yzerman191 on 31 May 2010 - 11:10 PM

I'm rooting for Chicago because I think they deserve it. They had to go through both the first and third seeds, they flew out West for two of three possible playoff series, and they're just flat out the better team. Also, I like Toews, Sharp, Keith, and Seabrook, and I harbor no ill-will against Hossa or Kopecky. On paper, they've got an insane roster; Hossa, Toews, Kane, Keith, and Seabrook are all superstars.

I personally think some of you guys let other teams' fans bother you too much. The 'Hawks winning really doesn't matter all that much; I think we'll still retain our bragging rights. We're still a powerhouse team remaining in contention, we've won more Stanley Cups in the last fifteen years than they have in the history of their franchise (literally; 4 > 3), and we've beat them in every playoff series we've played with them for the last twenty years. Not to mention the fact that they have 15 players signed and they're already over next year's salary cap with a young stud goaltender that may win the Conn Smythe. All of those things add up and make me pretty confident that I can root for the Blackhawks without giving their fans too much leverage on us.


#1992110 SCF Game Two GDT

Posted by Electrophile on 31 May 2010 - 10:41 PM

Yes, everyone who roots for the Hawks for any reason aside from life and death is being a bit of a traitor.



I guess I should be quite fortunate then that your definitions and opinions on who is and who is not a fan mean jack squat. There's a very short list of things my dad wants to see/do before he dies, which by the way, nearly happened last year.....and seeing the Hawks win the Cup is one of them. It's one thing when the Wings are playing the Hawks, it's another when we're not. This is important to him, so it's important to me. If you can't grasp that, that's your failing in life, not mine. My dad rooted for the Wings in 1997, since Game 4 was on my birthday and he wanted that for me as a birthday present. I'm returning the favor. If you don't like that......I don't really care.


#1992102 SCF Game Two GDT

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 31 May 2010 - 10:32 PM

Answer my question. I'm getting tired of the likes you thinking you can determine who is a fan and who is not, and who is what kind of fan and who is this kind of fan.........I'm getting sick tof****** death of it.


Yes, everyone who roots for the Hawks for any reason aside from life and death is being a bit of a traitor.

I wish I could say otherwise to appease you, but I have to be honest first and foremost as to my feelings.


#1992100 SCF Game Two GDT

Posted by atodaso on 31 May 2010 - 10:31 PM

So because I want my dad to be happy and experience something that I've experienced 4 times in the last 13 years, I'm a traitor? Kiss my rosy red ass.


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