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#1993661 Sidney Crosby - The most hated player in the NHL

Posted by Carman on 03 June 2010 - 08:41 AM

Hockey has been the Black Sheep of the sporting world in the US. They have looked for ways to get new viewers and this was the answer. A high scoring poster-boy everyone loves to hate that they shove down your throats. Like a David Beckham of hockey. Is it coincidence that scoring has gone through the roof over the last 10 years. No. People don't want to see tight games that end in 2-1 or for that matter 1-1. So they continue to pander to those people who never loved hockey in the first place and continue to change the setting and rules on the existing fans of the game. Shootouts anyone? Ovi-rated and Cindy draw viewers. That is why the 2011 Winter Classic is again with Pittsburgh and not one of the many other teams that are waiting for their frozen chance. Bury your head in the sand if you like, but Crosby is just part of the big corporate machine. Take him out of the equation and Hockey drops right back down in the ratings scale below water polo. It's a shame but it is true.

Read this for fun. Circa 2006.

http://www.dailyprin...06/05/17/15645/

I'll let you guess who fills the shoes of the "Controversy part".


I fail to see the problem with most of the points you've made. The scoring is not even close to what it was in the mid 80's early 90's.

The game has to evolve rule wise, I really don't have an issue with the game itself besides the hooking penalties and shootouts so I understand where you're coming from. But you have to make sacrifices to insure a future product, a league isn't just going to survive on past models/success. Hockey is growing as a sport, and in order to grow you have to adjust the game. Every sport has had to change, hockey is not going to be any different.

Marketing is about creating and promoting to new fans, not to cater to the fan that has been watching his whole life. And the league needs new fans in order to grow and be successful, it seems to me a necessary "evil". As long as they don't completely change the on-ice product(ban fighting etc.) I'm ok with almost anything they do to get new fans.

I don't get why people hate the new "bandwagon" fans. As a fan you have to start off at some point, and even though they may be annoying there is still a chance as the season's go by that they will learn the nuances and tradition of the game and become great and loyal fans. And to me that's what a "marketing" campaign should do.


#1993530 With Yzerman in Tampa, would he trade with Detroit?

Posted by Bring Back The Bruise Bros on 03 June 2010 - 12:00 AM

One things for sure. We're gonna be seeing Cleary skies for a long time.

Seems you came to this conclusion with relative Eaves.


#1993527 With Yzerman in Tampa, would he trade with Detroit?

Posted by Bannedforlife on 02 June 2010 - 11:57 PM

If we're lucky Hurricane Hudler will shift direction - heading south into Florida...With a change of the barometric pressure we could potentially see a light sprinkling of St.Louis heading our way instead.

One things for sure. We're gonna be seeing Cleary skies for a long time.


#1992961 Lidstrom Signs 1-Year Contract Extension

Posted by NeverForgetMac25 on 02 June 2010 - 09:11 AM

That's a Horton/Frolov/Plekanec player playing top6mins, pp, 30goals etc etc instead of a 900k adam burish or something, think about it..makes a huge difference in the playoffs having more scoring power, like chicago has atm.

First of all, not its not. The latter two are a $1.95-$2.1 million difference and Horton (for Christ's-sake) is a $3.1 million difference, not $1.2. I love how you try to stretch numbers as if I'm (or anyone else for that matter) not going to call you on it.

Second, Chicago is playing with a roster similar to one that Detroit had in 2008. One where Z and Franzen's contracts were peanuts. That's not gonna be the case next season in Chicago. Try again.


#1993073 A Day in the LIfe of Chris Pronger

Posted by Hockeymom1960 on 02 June 2010 - 11:48 AM

http://intenttoblow.com/?p=609


lol I find it amusing that there are 2 negatives. Must be Pronger lovers :lol:


#1992938 Yzerman asks Wings for permission to speak with capologist Martin

Posted by NeverForgetMac25 on 02 June 2010 - 08:38 AM

yes. We need a capologist here.

I'm 93% sure that on 58% of days that's Eva Unit Zero's job. :D


#1992929 Lidstrom Signs 1-Year Contract Extension

Posted by stevkrause on 02 June 2010 - 08:22 AM

Spoiled. f'in. brats.

That's what EVERYONE who has a problem with this is... no ifs, ands, or buts about it.

This is the best defenseman of our era and arguably, the best defenseman EVER to lace them up... he is 2 years removed from a +40 season with 70pts and finished with a +22 and 49 pts last year... WITH AN INJURY DEPLETED TEAM and coming off 3 straight years of DEEP playoff runs (not to mention almost losing a nut, literally)

He is still one of the 5 best defenseman in the league and 6.2 is a BARGAIN... just get ready to eat your crow when he puts up another Norris worth season this coming year after actually getting most of a summer off to re-charge the batteries...

You should all be ashamed and disgusted by yourselves for even SUGGESTING he deserves less...


#1992777 Lidstrom Signs 1-Year Contract Extension

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 01 June 2010 - 08:23 PM

Maybe he didn't want to kick the guy most responsible for the Wings' success the past 15 years in the balls.

$6.2 is beyond fair for the organization and its something Lids can live with. That's most likely where that number came from....not some personal need to be the highest paid. It never was. Besides, if that were the case he'd be making $6.7+ next season given Datsyuk's salary. The "Lidstrom Cap" was awarded to him from Kenny for his financial sacrifices, not something Lids enforced.

Exactly.

And how many millions of dollars do you think the Wings have made off of Lidstrom in his career?

This deal was made in the real world, one apparently a lot of people here don't live in. If Nick is going to split up his family, and play another grueling year where he could get injured (like getting speared in the balls, for example), he should be compensated at or near market value for that.

Boof****** hoo that he didn't play for millions of dollars less than he's worth. That's not his job. His job is to play defense, and he's proven himself to be pretty f-ing good at it.

There are a lot of teams in the league who would've fallen all over themselves to get a 40 year old Lidstrom in their lineup. They probably have already worked out the math on how many more wins that'd get 'em in a season.


#1992682 Lidstrom Signs 1-Year Contract Extension

Posted by Wings4Life19 on 01 June 2010 - 05:57 PM

After reading the comments that some of you have left regarding Lidstrom re-signing for next year I'am actually embarrassed to be associated with you. Have you been so spoiled over the past 15 years that the fact that Holland signed our best player to a $1.2 mill discount is hurting the team? The way i see it the only way our team could be worse next year is if Lidstrom retired or asked for more than he made last year. He could have demanded the league max and forced Holland to tear the team apart to sign him, because he is worth the league max. He could have retired and the wings could hope that they find his replacement in the draft sometime in the next....30 years, players like him come around once every generation or so and the fact that he played for the wings his entire career is a blessing. If you guys don't want the best player of the past 20 years there are 29 other teams that will gladly take him off our hands even at 40 y/o. Had he retired could we had a shot a getting Kovi? sure, but last time i checked Kovi doesn't play 28 min/game and wont shut down the other teams best players every game. Lidstrom has the kind of impact on games that Crosby and Ovechkin have and Holland signed him for close to $3 mill less than those guys are getting. I'am thanking the Hockey gods everyday(alot today)for allowing the wings to have players like Lidstrom, Zetterberg, and Datsyuk because every other team had a shot at drafting these guy and the wings could have the success that the Florida Panthers has had. Those of you that are complaining I want you to go root for the Panthers or the Thrashers next year so you can be humbled and because you don't deserve to be associated with the Red Wings. You are the reason that every other fan base can't stand us thinks we are entitled to everything. Could he have signed for 4 or 5 million? yes, but the fact that he still want to play and still wants to play for the wings is worth 6.2 million dollars. If you want to call him up and pay him 2 million out of your own pocket so he could sign for 4 mill im sure he would take you up on it.

Thank you for reading my rant and if you are very happy that Lids is just coming back and that you think Holland will work his magic and the wings will be a cup contender next year then this was not about you, i still have respect for you and if you are ever in Wyoming you are welcome to come watch a wings game at my house. :champs: <-- in 2011


#1992585 Lidstrom Signs 1-Year Contract Extension

Posted by Lidstromboli on 01 June 2010 - 03:35 PM

one of the best defensemen of all time took a 1 million dollar pay cut for what will likely be his last season

and it pisses me off!!!!! he's so selfish!!! :ranting: :angry:


#1992276 SCF Game Two GDT

Posted by GordieSid&Ted on 01 June 2010 - 11:07 AM

I guess every person can find a different thing to piss them off as far as players on a different team.


Kane - Punched an old cabdriver. Annoying mouthgard. Looks like some little midget twink.

Bufflin - Fat Albert. Acts tough but hardly fights. Backs away a lot for a guy that size. Has cheap shots. Celebrates disrespectfully like a dumb clown.

Hossa - Traitor. Did s*** for us during that one night stand.

Kopecky - See above.

Sharp - Speared Lidstrom in the nuts. No I don't care that it was supposedly an accident.

Campbell - Ginger boy who's overpaid. Spouted off about the Kronwall hit, despite having a similar one in the playoffs several years back.

Ladd - Don't like his face. Looks like a psycho who kills people. May have DT's.

Eager - Wannabee enforcer. Don't they call charging or boarding anymore in the NHL?


I just hate the uniform more than the players wearing it. With Chicago, I hate both. I don't have a problem with the Flyers fanbase as much as Chicago's. With the players, I slightly hate the Hawks players more.



This has to be a tongue-in-cheek post, right? If not, holy effin crybabies Batman. That is some of the most childish reasoning I think i've ever seen. I mean, that's the kind of stuff 12 year olds base their likes and dislikes on. The way people look? Really?

Byfuglein- Show me the cheapshots? Aside from wildly hacking at Andy McDonald, the guy plays a very straight up game. Cheap shots my ass. You don't know what you're talking about. He's a big guy yes, but he's also a guy who can play power forward AND defense, has great hands, can score 15-20 goals and is showing up big time in the playoffs. IMO, he should've been on Team USA. As for his celebrations, they're nothing compared to AO. I'd love to have Buff on the Wings. He's exactly the player they need. And he never shies away from a confrontation. He has more fights than anybody in a Wings sweater these days.

Hossa - Traitor? Really? Because he came here as a free agent for 1 season? You're as big a freaking baby as those Pens fans who cried the same thing. Whaaa, whaaaa!

Sharp - so basically you don't care that it was an accident and that he apologized to Lidstrom. I guess you must hate every player who ever laid a hand on Lidstrom. Maybe Lids should get to wear a special jersey like a quarterback in practice so everyone knows he's not allowed to be touched. Give me a break. It was an accident. Aside from that Sharp hasn't done anything to anyone. He's just a good, skill player.

Kane - I'll admit, I love him because he's a US kid. You cannot deny the talent either. For his smallish size, he's just fantastic and far, far better along the boards than somebody his size should be. The whole cab driver incident seems to be shrouded in some he said, she said but I hardly think it puts him in Sidney Crosby territory the way you're hating on the guy.

Kopecky - seriously? You might as well hate Brent Sopel too. He had about as much impact in a Wings sweater as Kopy did. I guess you hate Shanahan and Fedorov too for leaving.

Ladd - pretty much tougher than anyone on the Wings. And you don't like him b/c he looks odd. Who are you, freaking Brad Pitt or something. Show us a pic of yourself Mr. God's gift to women. Puh-leeze.

Campbell - This is another player who has never done anything to warrant hate. Sure, he's overpaid. I guess that's enough reason to hate him like a jilted little girl.

Eager - For a guy who says he loves rough stuff, Eager should be a dream come true for you if he were on the Wings. A 4th liner who can ACTUALLY SKATE and contribute!!!! let's see here, he's fought Janssen, Ivanans, Rypien, Murray, Jackman, Stortini, Rupp, Boll, Lucic, Parros, etc....Yeah, what a "wannabe".


My respect meter for you is hovering perilously close to zero right now.


#1992252 SCF Game Two GDT

Posted by Dave82RWS on 01 June 2010 - 10:10 AM

I guess every person can find a different thing to piss them off as far as players on a different team.


Kane - Punched an old cabdriver. Annoying mouthgard. Looks like some little midget twink.

Bufflin - Fat Albert. Acts tough but hardly fights. Backs away a lot for a guy that size. Has cheap shots. Celebrates disrespectfully like a dumb clown.

Hossa - Traitor. Did s*** for us during that one night stand.

Kopecky - See above.

Sharp - Speared Lidstrom in the nuts. No I don't care that it was supposedly an accident.

Campbell - Ginger boy who's overpaid. Spouted off about the Kronwall hit, despite having a similar one in the playoffs several years back.

Ladd - Don't like his face. Looks like a psycho who kills people. May have DT's.

Eager - Wannabee enforcer. Don't they call charging or boarding anymore in the NHL?


So you hate Kane's mouthguard, you hate Buffs celebrations disrespecting CANUCKS fans (hello?) who make it a point to keep disrespecting him, you hate Hossa because he didnt do enough to win Detroit the cup last year, (Umm Datsyuk etc), hate Campbell because he is overpaid (why do you care?), Sharp because of an accident in which he called Lidstrom to apologize, you dont like Ladds face (how abou Franzen?), and Eager is a wannabee enforcer who hasnt boarded or charged anyone yet sparks his team with hits and goals on occasion???

Seems like an immature teenagers list of excuses for not liking the other team.

I know some people here just hate the fact that Detroit beating the hawks last year has turned out to be the best thing to ever happen to them. They all say that to a man, but cmon. Its ok to hate the other team or certain players (Kane, cabby, OK FINE), but the rest of your excuses to hate them really sounds childish.


#1992528 Lidstrom Signs 1-Year Contract Extension

Posted by Yzerman191 on 01 June 2010 - 02:34 PM

You guys are funny. You're letting that number (40) skew your opinions. If we had signed another defenseman with the same skill, stats, etc. for the same amount and the same length, but he was 30 years old instead of 40, you'd all be rejoicing. Age is just a number; his abilities are not that of a 40 year old. He is still better than 99% of the league and his salary is going to reflect that.

Also, his signing leaves this team with 11.6 million to spend, assuming the cap goes up to 58M. We'll have five D-men signed, including all of our top four. We'll have eight forwards signed, including all of the top players up for contracts. The only player left to re-sign that will make more than a million or so will be Holmstrom, and possibly Bertuzzi. We also have two very-capable goaltenders signed. IMO, we're in a pretty good spot.


#1992525 Lidstrom Signs 1-Year Contract Extension

Posted by HankthaTank on 01 June 2010 - 02:30 PM

Yeah, he should definitely take a lower salary than Rafalski??? Posted Image

You guys really just need to take a step back and maybe re-hash this whole thing. Its Nick effing Lidstrom. He is a top 5 dman. Saying 'above average' is just startling. I have a feeling this is coming from trolls or people who just don't understand the business. He took a huge pay cut his whole career. It just can't sink in anymore than that I suppose. f***'S SAKE!!!


#1992517 Lidstrom Signs 1-Year Contract Extension

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 01 June 2010 - 02:20 PM

Well, on the bright side, that Yzerman guy didn't sign him first. :P