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#2017029 Red Wings Making Play for Modano

Posted by Guest on 19 July 2010 - 07:59 PM

I don't think Modano will end up in Detroit...Just don't see it happening.

I would rather the Wings sign a solid #6 D-Man anyways.

They can get a 6th dman, sign abdelkader, helm, AND modano for 1.25, make a few trades and be under the cap and have 500k over for injuries.


#2017026 Red Wings Making Play for Modano

Posted by russianswede919293 on 19 July 2010 - 07:55 PM

I don't think Modano will end up in Detroit...Just don't see it happening.

I would rather the Wings sign a solid #6 D-Man anyways.


#2017024 Red Wings Making Play for Modano

Posted by SouthernWingsFan on 19 July 2010 - 07:40 PM

Well, I don't know. Football isn't really a sport where you need passion to play. If you've got talent like Favre does, you put in a decent effort for a 16 game season (or 20 including a championship run). Quarterback is the least physical position, so it's not like you have to have drive to play 82+ games in which every game you have to constantly be moving and making that extra effort to get the puck that's just out of your reach, or fight for the puck in the corners or to get to the front of the net night in and night out.

Passion counts in hockey. To be brutally honest, I don't think it comes in play much in football, at least from a quarterback's position.

You don't need passion to play football at the highest levels?

Really?

I mean really?

You may think hockey is a better sport than football. Cool. That's fine. I don't like watching some sports like baseball or soccer as much as I enjoy watching hockey and football. Soccer requires ridiculous conditioning to play at a high level running around for 90+ minutes straight, and baseball is a grind for 160+ games in hot weather. I may not fully like those sports but I respect the wear/tear and grind that it takes to play those games if you want to be fully committed to it. Just like football, an intense off-season/in-season grind of weight training, hitting, and thinking nearly an entire year.

But you need passion to play any sport or do your job to the best of your ability, regardless of the sport or career. To say you don't need passion in football or any profession to do well in it is plain idiotic, no matter how much you might not like a sport/job.


#2017005 Red Wings Making Play for Modano

Posted by VM1138 on 19 July 2010 - 06:45 PM

Really? Brett Farve last year? That panned out pretty well for him.



Well, I don't know. Football isn't really a sport where you need passion to play. If you've got talent like Favre does, you put in a decent effort for a 16 game season (or 20 including a championship run). Quarterback is the least physical position, so it's not like you have to have drive to play 82+ games in which every game you have to constantly be moving and making that extra effort to get the puck that's just out of your reach, or fight for the puck in the corners or to get to the front of the net night in and night out.

Passion counts in hockey. To be brutally honest, I don't think it comes in play much in football, at least from a quarterback's position.


#2017350 Loophole

Posted by egroen on 20 July 2010 - 03:17 PM

It's obvious the NHL will have to draw a line somewhere - as GMs will only continue to push the envelope with these signings (Howe did play until the age of 51, after all -- Zetterberg's cap hit could be $2m a year if only Holland had signed him for an additional 10 years!).

I'll go ahead and say the age of 40 should be the cutoff designated by the next CBA.

46 skaters have played at the age of 40
13 at the age of 42
4 at the age of 44


#2017358 Loophole

Posted by WorkingOvertime on 20 July 2010 - 03:27 PM

I'll go ahead and say the age of 40 should be the cutoff designated by the next CBA.

46 skaters have played at the age of 40
13 at the age of 42
4 at the age of 44

I agree with this. Max age a player can be signed until is 40, unless the contract was signed after the player is 35 years old. There has to be a line drawn somewhere, and I think this is a fair one.


#2017323 Loophole

Posted by mjlegend on 20 July 2010 - 02:41 PM

How about they make it simple and just get rid of the cap :hehe:


Because it's fun to see Chicago in cap hell? :ph34r:


#2017314 Loophole

Posted by T.Low on 20 July 2010 - 02:19 PM

The problem might arise when he is older and not as good but doesn't want to retire. Obviously thats the worst case scenario, but with a deal that long its a problem you might run into.




Exactly. So let the free market work itself out. Let the GMs decide for themselves.


#2017298 Loophole

Posted by T.Low on 20 July 2010 - 01:22 PM

socialism is what we have now with the cap and parody in the league.



Yet, you cry for more regulation, not less. You want to close even more aspects of the market, not open them. Who are you to tell NJ how to spend their money? What's it to you if they sign him until he's 34, 44, or 54? (In retrospect, Illitch could have saved quite a bit of money with a long term Chelios deal and put that money somewhere else!)

If that's a risk NJ is willing to take, then who are you to ask for more impedance on their sovereignty as a business entity?

NJ has had a great franchise for many years, and cannot reap the fruits of their own labor, the rewards they deserve for their hard work. Instead, they have to give their hard earned money to ill concieved, unorganized franchises in rediculous southern markets, and are only allowed to spend what a governning body has centrally planned they can spend.

Yet, this doesn't satisfy you. You want to impose more rules on business owners and how they can go about acguiring their assests.

Central planning and overegulation. I repeat; Spoken like a true Socialist.


#2016675 Osgood may retire following this season

Posted by WizardOfOz30 on 19 July 2010 - 07:32 AM

Shortly after Osgood got sick, he started in a game against Nashville, and won 3-2.

Who was in net THE NEXT THREE GAMES after that win? Do you honestly think Osgood was given much of a chance at that point?

That was my point, he wasn't given a chance to prove himself when he did not get consecutive starts. I understand they wanted to go with the hot goalie because of the position we were in, but Babcock is very lucky that Howard didn't have an injury late in the season because we didn't have a reliable back up goalie to go to and that was not Osgood's fault. He could only do what he could at practice, it's not the same as playing in games.


#2017167 Loophole

Posted by Jedi on 20 July 2010 - 01:54 AM

Or in the case of an injury prone Franzen we might be

You do realize that if a player is injured long term, that we get cap relief to be able to make adjustments, right? The details are a bit tricky (Doggy knows the details better than I), but the long and short of it is that if we lose a player long term ( > 10 games or 14 days), we will be able to go over the cap up to that player's salary while they're out.

Granted if we lose him mid season the choice of free agents would be bleak, but we could make roster moves (i.e. trades or waiver pick ups) to help fill the gap.

Not to mention the fact that if Franzen decides to retire, we won't be on the hook for his cap hit since he signed the contract before age 35. So if Franzen misses half a year again, we'll have some cap room to work with. And if (God forbid) he is forced to retire due to injury, we'll have that much cap space again for another free agent.

There's inherent risk in any NHL contract. Too short, and you could end up in the same boat we were in with Hossa after '09. Too long, and you could end up like the Isles with DiPietro. Somewhere in the middle, and you have to worry about renegotiating with them again in a few years and worrying about how big a raise you have to give him in order to keep him.


#2017144 Loophole

Posted by eva unit zero on 20 July 2010 - 12:08 AM

TBH, I don't have a problem with Kovalchuk's contract.

Yes, it's ridiculously long, and no, he probably won't play to the end of it. But it fits within league contract rules, and Ilya is really the first player on the UFA market to have multiple suitors for such a deal. Hossa didn't have multiple teams offering him long-term deals like the one Chicago did.

Perhaps restraining long term contracts to rules such as "ten years or less" or ruling that if a player retires with 5 or more years remaining on his contract after he has passed the age of 30, his cap hit will remain. The second statement would of course have an injury provision.

But I don't see a "need" to stop these deals. Yeah, maybe it reduces some of the excitement on July 1st. But think of it this way. Teams will retain star players. Fans will get to know the team's stars. NHL markets with fans who say "who?" when you name half the team because there is so much turnover on the roster will have teams with identifiable players who the fans know and love.



#2016451 Red Wings Making Play for Modano

Posted by Guest on 18 July 2010 - 08:15 AM

Why don't you want him to sign?

Because he love the kids and youth from GR and watch alot of their games, maybe he gets a bit blind because of this.

Just my 2.


#2016080 Where can I get REAL Red Wing hockey pants?

Posted by HankthaTank on 16 July 2010 - 09:38 PM

 

There are Brett Lebda and Jason Williams on ebay



Couldn't see them being bid on too much....wait. Does Brian Burke have an ebay acct?


#2016107 Hawkeytown? ...barf.

Posted by Jett1913 on 16 July 2010 - 10:49 PM

I purchased tobacco from a man who looks exactly like the dude in the blackhawks logo today. I was totally tripping out.

In Canada they tax cigarettes to death, so we must resort to buying it from the reserves.



that's the hawks' logo's job in the off season