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#1988919 A little conspiracy in Montreal?

Posted by RedFX on 24 May 2010 - 11:28 AM

You know what else would slow the Flyers down? Getting more than one shot on goal per period

#1988997 Tomas Kopecky

Posted by Hank Dats 'N Homer on 24 May 2010 - 01:52 PM

Am i missing something, or did this guy only have a total of 21 points the entire season? Whoe the hell is going to say "look what he did after the olympic break, if we extrapolate that over an entire season hes a hall of famer?"i was unaware a few weeks of good play after 5 seasons of injury stricken weak seasons turned a player 4th liner into a 1st line sniper. This thread id ridiculous. The guy has all of 53 total points in his NHL career...why would we miss a guy like that? They come a dime a dozen and are not anything special or worth giving the contract to that Chicago gave Kopecky. The only reason he got the contract he got with the money he got was because it sweetened the deal for Hossa to go to chicago. kopecky and Hossa are best freinds from what ive heard, and Kopecky had alot to do with the fact that Hossa chose Detroit last season. Chicago knew that if they could show Hossa they had a good team PLUS had his Best Friend under contract, then chances are Hossa would follow. Regardless if this played a role or not, the guy only have 21 this season. A Whole 2 points higher than last season with the Red Wings and i i believe we we are all in agreement that he was uneffective in every aspect of the game last seaon. How did 2 more points make him someoone we should be missing? What a dumb thread.

#1988909 Tomas Kopecky

Posted by Hockey God on 24 May 2010 - 11:06 AM

Never liked him still happy he's gone

#1988898 Tomas Kopecky

Posted by Broken 16 on 24 May 2010 - 10:48 AM

I said that if he maintained that level of play over the entire season, he would be a 30 goal scorer. That is a mathematical fact. I didn't say he would or could do it. Simply that if he did it, that is the kind of pace he was scoring at.

You really need to work on your reading comprehension skills because you don't seem to understand simple statements.

So many 'ifs' with you. You tend to spout off statements as if they are facts but there are so many 'ifs' attached, they are fiction. Try dumping 75% of your 'ifs' and then we'll see how your 'facts' hold up.

I could, very very easily, point to a time in every players career when they weren't producing, extrapolate it and make an argument for why they should never make more than the league minimum.

#1988825 The Curse of Marian Hossa

Posted by Datsyerberger on 24 May 2010 - 05:51 AM

Sorry, the curse is Conklin's, not Hossa's. Hossa's only been in 2 lost SCF (where Conklin was present in both).

On the other hand, in the past 4 years, Conklin has been involved in:

SCF loss
SCF loss
ECF loss
SCF loss

No Conklin... Hawks take this, imo.

#1988824 The Curse of Marian Hossa

Posted by wingnut40 on 24 May 2010 - 05:50 AM

I hope he scores like 6 goals in the Final including the Cup clincher to vindicate himself and spite all of you.

#1988695 Homer Contract Disussion

Posted by SouthernWingsFan on 23 May 2010 - 10:11 PM

Wouldn't get too worked up about this. All a part of the negotiating process and it is still early.

#1988682 Whats the record in the NHL

Posted by MCleveland89 on 23 May 2010 - 09:31 PM

Hossa made it to the finals 2 years ago with Pittsburgh, then last year with Detroit, now this year with Chicago. So, does that make him a good luck charm instead of a curse? Those 3 teams have all had better chances of getting the Cup when he was there compared to the other 28 who were kicked out. I don't know man, but my head is exploding.

#1988648 It's Official: Happy Hudler is Back

Posted by Bring Back The Bruise Bros on 23 May 2010 - 08:02 PM

How the hell did this go from Hudler to Finnish players?

Dumbass from Finland made a comment about American hockey which we,naturally,took offense too.

#1988646 It's Official: Happy Hudler is Back

Posted by Tr!PoD#19 on 23 May 2010 - 08:00 PM

How the hell did this go from Hudler to Finnish players?

Finnish Wing being a ****** homer, as he usually is.

#1988640 It's Official: Happy Hudler is Back

Posted by Finnish Wing on 23 May 2010 - 07:52 PM

As I said, if you would like to debate this further with me, please start a new thread or PM me. You've dug yourself a hole by saying, and attempting to defend, that Finish hockey is more like Canadian hockey than US hockey is. The consequential jump to saying US players have less heart is particularly ignorant/offensive as it was an overarching and overreaching statement. You are entitled to your opinion, but you won't find many people who will agree with you on this point. Lets try to keep this topic on Huds, and debate international hockey elsewhere.

That's mostly because there are more American than Finnish people on this planet.

I can say I haven't dugged any holes recently. If you've watched international games for the last 20 years you'd see that USA have played no where near to where they should when you look at the material and the biggest reason have been lack of working hard enough.

Anyway, that first post was a reply to a post which said that "there is only European and North American" hockey - meaning that hockey in Finland and hockey in Czech Rep. is all basically same - which is total bulls***. Team USA doesn't play as well as a team as Team Finland does and they don't defend as good as Team Finland does.

USA is only 6th at the world rankings (Finland being 4th and 3rd before the latest tournament). Their material is top3 however. What is the biggest reason for playing under expectations if it's not working hard enough? Size of the rink? International rules? Bad luck? Those sound more like excuses to me.

Many times I see the Team USA play they remind me of the good ol' times when they used to just come to WC to have a nice vacation in Europe. It just somehow shows that hockey isn't as big there as it is in Finland or Canada. To me it's lack of heart.

#1988620 It's Official: Happy Hudler is Back

Posted by Finnish Wing on 23 May 2010 - 07:20 PM

To me, and apparently most of the other posters in this thread, saying Finland hockey is not a sufficient way to refer to the Finnish national team. Most of the people here (and in NA as a whole) focus on the NHL more than international play. Therefore, a reference to Finnish hockey is taken into context as players in the NHL or the development leagues there. Communication is only clear if others perceive it to be.

What star players did the US World Championship team have? Backstrom, Selanne, Koivu's, Hagman, Flip, etc are all top-two line players in the NHL that played in the 2010 Olympics. Finland also has some of the best goalies in the world. Please don't act like Finland has the talent of the Swiss when they are clearly superior to most of the teams at IIHF events. The US has recently made great strides in developing teams for the IIHF junior (U20, U18) events and it is showing in the results.

Have you ever played organized hockey? Please don't assume that the US is not at a disadvantage when their players play in the IIHF events irregularly. The European countries (the rosters iced at non-olympic events) spend much more time playing as a team. This is an advantage, as team-work>skill when the skill difference is small. The larger ice presents a disadvantage to the players and coaches. There is a different style of play, and the adjustment period is likely longer than the few practices the NA teams have. The US has the advantage of skill on paper, but the European teams have ice-size, practice time, team-work, etc on their side. These should not be overlooked. Please do not correlate under-performance and heart. Saying that Finnish players have more heart than US players is too overarching and incorrect (ignorant). You can make specific examples (for both sides), but please refrain from these unprovable blanket statements.

If you would like to continue this discussion, please feel free to PM me or start a new thread. Also, HFBoards has a section for this type of debate. http://hfboards.com/...display.php?f=4 I think we have derailed this topic too much with our banter.

Did I say "Finland hockey"? No. I said Finland and USA.

If I say Finland plays like this and USA plays like that and Germany plays like that how am I not referring to the national teams? To what am I referring then? I think the international games show perfectly what kinda identities different countries have. Czechs don't play like Canada in the international games because they've got different type of players. It may change slightly when the players or coach change, but the identity stays there still. Finland has always have much common with Canada in their style of play.

Please don't act like Saku Koivu or Niklas Hagman is a STAR. You obviously know that USA has much better material on the paper. There's no need to even argue that. Hagman and Saku Koivu wouldn't even make the USA team. I doubt Selanne would either. Also, like I said there can only be one goalie in the net at a time so having depth there won't help much in international tournaments.

How has team Finland any more time to practice than Team USA? Anyway, to blame the ice-size isf****** ridiculous. You lose to Germany and Denmark and go to the qualifying games with the best material of the group. Of course the ice-size matters but it doesn't matter much at all when looking at the big picture. If we compare Team Finland and Team USA the ice-size is pretty small advantage when you think about the material of Team USA. And no matter how big the ice is, it's pretty pathetic that Team USA is qualifying.

well name me off some hard-working Finnish plays with an infinite amount of heart and effort bud.

"So you're saying that guys like Mikko Koivu, Saku Koivu, Tuomo Ruutu and Teemu Selanne have less heart than Brett Lebda?"

Start wearing goofy suits made from old curtains and you're well on your way to becoming the Finnish Cherry. :thumbup:

You know that in that sentence by "Finnish players" I meant "players of Team Finland". I can't find any other major reason for Finland playing better than USA in international games for the past years than working hard and having more heart.

I'd also like to add that there are only TWO countries in the world where ice-hockey is the number one sport. The other is Canada...

#1988580 It's Official: Happy Hudler is Back

Posted by Finnish Wing on 23 May 2010 - 06:05 PM

I don't see anywhere in the past few pages of the thread where the national teams are talked about. While this is apparently what you meant to focus on, it is unclear in your posts until this point that you are referring to the national teams. Also, personal attacks won't get you too far in this debate.

It is useless to compare Olympic results before 1995- the year the agreement between the NHL and IIHF allowed NHL players to participate. Also, most international tournaments are played on European sized ice, which gives an advantage to the European countries. In addition, the European players are given time off from their professional teams to participate in international tournaments. This should lead to increased performance from more play as a team.

You used the present tense in your claim that Finnish players play a more Canadian style than the US players. Therefore, we can only compare the most recent national tournaments and NHL play to debate this topic intellectually. in the most recent tournaments where NHL players and draftees were allowed to compete, the US teams performed very well. While Finland has outperformed expectations in the past, they are considered a top-6 international team by many fans (see HFBoards). The Finnish team has many great/star players. Therefore, their success isn't solely heart and work-ethic- they are a skilled team.

Then you must be blind, because it's right at the top of this page. "Then I don't know how you determine the types, because for example Finland plays more Canadian type hockey than USA." If that isn't discussing national teams, then I don't know what it is?

Why should we compare only Olympic results? I think it shows a lot of heart when you go playing in the WC to represent your country. Finland has as well some players in the playoffs still playing just like USA - just on a smaller scale. It doesn't really change the big picture at all. We saw it this year's WC again. USA lost to both Denmark and Germany and was the last of the group and had to go on the qualifying stage. I think it showed that they were not willing to work as hard as the other teams and their superior material didn't help them because weren't willing to do so.

Also, you seriously think that ice advantage has anything to do with Finland having better results than USA? Best Finnish players play in the NHL as well. USA has still always had better material. It's ridicolous to use excuses like ice-size or more time to gel while USA has had a superior roster on the paper.

How many star players have Finland had in the past years? Goaltending has always been good, but there can only be one goalie on the ice at a time. Teemu Selanne isn't a star anymore. Mikko Koivu isn't a star yet. We don't have guys like Kane or Parise (and rarely had in the past either).

#1988569 It's Official: Happy Hudler is Back

Posted by Finnish Wing on 23 May 2010 - 05:32 PM

oh and for the record there are 2 distinct types of hockey.... North American and European, its just the way it is so live with it. Just like Finlland is different from the czechs, western canada hockey is different then french style of hockey.

This was the post I replied to. Are most of you people actually so lazy that you can't look at the previous page? Or do you actually belive that North American vs. European s***?

What have been Team Finland's strenghts for the past 20 years? We've had barely any big time scorers or game-breakers. USA, Canada, Slovakia, Czech Rep., Russia... they've all had plenty of those kinda players - great individuals.

Yet Team Finland has performed at the same level (sometimes higher) than these teams. You think it has all been goaltending or what? Do you seriously think that Team USA has worked harder and played with more heart? Then why hadn't they had that kinda success despite always possessing a strong team?

#1988545 It's Official: Happy Hudler is Back

Posted by Finnish Wing on 23 May 2010 - 05:12 PM

LOL. I was comparing Team Finland's playing style with Team USA and Team Canada. How does it have anything to do with those individual players you are naming? Learn to read people.

USA have always had much more skilled players than Team Finland. We have never been amongst the favourites, yet we have been able to win the most olympic medals since -88. Working hard and working together has always been the label of Team Finland.

Brian Rolston, Mike Knuble, Aaron Ward, etc. don't have heart or work hard?

Did I say Team USA doesn't have any heart or what?

I was comparing Team Finland's playing style with Team USA. Team Finland plays more like Team Canada than Team USA does. Please read through the other arguments instead of just replying to one post.

Wow, that's an incredibly stupid and offensive thing to say.

Please read through the whole conversation before posting a stupid reply regarding one post.

Wow. Care to show some evidence of that fact? Growing up in the US, I played against teams from all over the US and Canada at the AA and AAA levels. The style of play was not much different, and I don't see how a large divergence could occur between midgets (15-18 year olds) and the higher levels. As far as heart and work-ethic are considered, I would be weary of making over-arching judgments on any country.

Back on topic- I am glad to see Huds back. Unfortunately, he might (should) be on the third line to give us another scoring line. He'll also get PP time, so hopefully be can still get 15+ min a night.

We were talking about Team Finland, Team USA and Team Canada. Understand? Doesn't have s*** to do with the players you've played against in your childhood.

So Yzerman and Shanahan didnt have heart?McCarty didn't have heart?none of them worked hard?What about a guy like Mike Richards?he doesn't have heart or work hard?What a ridiculously stupid comment to make when you have nothing to back it up.Olli Jokinen does not have what I consider heart.Everyone knows he causes problems within the team he's playing for.Just an all around idiotic thing to say.wow.

First of all, those are Canadian players you're naming. Learn to read (also, learn to write). Did I say someone has "no heart"? No, I don't think so.

How does one player like OJ or Leino being something anything to do with Team Finland's style of play?

Just an all around iditoc reply by you. So much fail in that post that I'm not gonna even comment any further about it.

Did you watch the Olympics or World Juniors this past year? Both US teams out-worked and out-performed higher skilled teams to exceed expectations. Also, when comparing NHL players, there are a lot more US players than Finnish players. Therefore, for every five (roughly) US players that are 'lazy with no heart' only one would Finnish player would have to be 'lazy with no heart' for the percentages to be equal.

Team USA have always had much more skill than Team Finland. Yet somehow Team Finland has had about equal or better results for the past twenty years. We've never had any real scorers or stars. Team Finland has always been about working hard together.

Also, you do understand that there are over 300 million people living in the United States. There are 5 million people living in Finland. Finland has more NHL players per capita than USA.