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#1933139 Should the Wings part ways with Osgood?

Posted by stevkrause on 06 April 2010 - 06:48 AM

I hate polls like this, because they don't take into account all the factors - he was signed after 35, so if we cut ties, we're sucking up cap space to make a player go away... he has had an OBVIOUSLY positive impact on Howard and one more year backing up Howard can't hurt... after his contract is up, let him retire a Wing, with 400 wins, on his own terms and go out right... he has been a professional and done a lot for this team and deserves it.


#1932867 Should the Wings part ways with Osgood?

Posted by Doc Holliday on 05 April 2010 - 03:17 PM

Selfish how? The guy has posted better than a 3.00 GAA or 89% save percentage over the past two seasons. Honestly, if the alternative had been somebody more prominent than Ty Conklin last year, he probably never even gets the chance to play in the '09 Playoffs.

And from a fan's perspective, this thing is only going to get worse and worse with time. Osgood turns 38 in November. If he left after this season (and Howard plays well in the playoffs), there's a good chance much of this will be forgotten and he'll be remembered primarily as the winner of the 1998 and 2008 Cups, and a potential Hall of Fame candidate, based on his overall credentials. If I had the choice, I don't want to see another season where Osgood plays once a month, sucks, and then complains about inconsistent playing time again. I don't want to see this thing turn more sour.


Why do people forget that he complained about the fact Babcock was keeping BOTH goaltenders on the bench for extended periods of time?

Osgood wasn't complaining that HE wasn't getting starts, he was complaining that Babcock was not efficiently playing the goaltenders. Should he have been quiet? Yes. Was he being selfish? Absolutely not.


#1932662 Should the Wings part ways with Osgood?

Posted by TheDetroitRedWings on 05 April 2010 - 09:57 AM

And this is a forum to express points and opinions. You can do that in whichever thread you want related to the topic at hand as long as you aren't personally attacking somebody and doing it within the forum rules, bro. Including this one.



My original point was the fact that there are several Osgood related threads. So I didn't want this thread to turn into yet another one. And no you can't discuss and make comments in any thread you want. I have the option to lock out comments and turn the thread into a poll only. But just in case people had any questions I decided to leave it open. I tried to make it clear that this was a poll only. Might wanna lose that attitude though buddy. I was saying bro in a lighthearted way, not a cocky dickhead way. If you wanna keep making this thread an Osgood debate thread I will lock the comment option. I just wanted to see how the numbers broke down in terms of who still wants Ozzie and who doesn't. Simple as that.


#1933108 Draper.....

Posted by Nev on 06 April 2010 - 12:56 AM

Wow, not a lot of love for Drapes in here....his best offensive season in several years, the 4th line of him, Eaves and Helm has been terrific, and he is a leader off the ice - not just vocally, but also by example. The (deservedly) much maligned Williams said when he re-signed here last summer that in all his travels around the league he hasn't come across better conditioned athletes than Draper & Datsyuk.


#1933018 Draper.....

Posted by Gaggster on 05 April 2010 - 07:55 PM

Loyalty is an admirable trait,but come playoff time,I want the best players on the ice.
He can mentor in the locker room and in the warmup.



I don't disagree, less icetime if they can handle it, and off the team if they are a liablility. I do get a warm fuzzy feeling when i see malts, draper, homer etc doing good.

I do also think there's an real upside to treating your players fairly over time too. The sentiment DRW is the place to be, is not to be taken lightly imo.


#1933002 Draper.....

Posted by Gaggster on 05 April 2010 - 07:17 PM

What i always loved about this organisation is that they never seem to send old workhorses to the slaughter, they show respect for what they've done
and use them in the best way possible, as mentors and leaders.

Wouldn't we all hate to see faces so strongly associated with drw beeing disrespectfuly handled?


#1932992 Draper.....

Posted by talex on 05 April 2010 - 06:44 PM

Draper adds experience and you do not see his line making nearly as many mistakes as the other lines, he always seems up on the forecheck and you can feel pretty good a safe when he is out there that there will not be mistakes, that is a great thing for a grind line. It would be nice to see his line score a bit more, but Draper is doing a good job, I will say the same about Malts, not many mistakes that cost at crucial times, although it is time for at 1 to move on and I think that is happening. Draper is an excellent leader and has an amazing conditioning routine which shows the young guys what it takes, they need to keep him in, next year as well and then take a good hard look at things then, if the kids are ready to play mistake free 90% of the time then it will be time for Drapes to hang them up, but not until then, we need mistake free players on this team, not fast mistake prone players.

I say sit Willimas when Abby can come up, then possibly Bert unless he starts to do something, Bert can be great but when he is cold, he is a big liability, does not score and cough's up the puck way to often.


#1932938 Draper.....

Posted by titanium2 on 05 April 2010 - 04:40 PM

Draper is to Helm, Eaves, Miller and Abdelkader what Osgood is to Howard. They both offer guidance and support that only an experienced veteran can provide.


#1932930 Draper.....

Posted by Konnan511 on 05 April 2010 - 04:36 PM

I love him being around for two reasons:

1) He is one of the reasons, why when young grinders make it into the Detroit Red Wing's line-up, they are very good at face-offs and are excellent back checkers. I know that the Red Wing mantra has been to always be defensively responsible, but I undoubtedly believe Draper has a huge hand in a lot of the on-ice preparation of this defensive mentality for these young forwards in the Red Wing roster.

2) Every team needs someone who looks like Chuck Norris.

So.... bullet points:
1) Mentorship and leadership
2) Chuck Norris


#1932616 Chicago takes Central

Posted by Wing Across The Pond on 05 April 2010 - 07:03 AM

See this is the problem when fans become to spoiled because of their teams success, you cant even really enjoy a great season because its always cup or bust. Of course the cup is the ultimate prize, but the Blackhawks havent won a division title it nearly two decades, so I am going to enjoy this for a minute, and then move on to the playoffs.


Agreed. I think this year has been a healthy dose of humility of us. Can't just take things for granted.


#1932602 Chicago takes Central

Posted by Blackhawkdown on 05 April 2010 - 02:36 AM

lol The funny thing is that they care about it. In Chicago a "central division champion" banner would actually mean something. haha

Quick-- someone tell me who has the most Atlantic Division Champion banners? No one cares.

Cup are all that matter.


See this is the problem when fans become to spoiled because of their teams success, you cant even really enjoy a great season because its always cup or bust. Of course the cup is the ultimate prize, but the Blackhawks havent won a division title it nearly two decades, so I am going to enjoy this for a minute, and then move on to the playoffs.


#1932584 Should the Wings part ways with Osgood?

Posted by RedFlag85 on 05 April 2010 - 12:44 AM

This site needs more fans, and less overly dramatic ship jumpers.


Ozzie had a bad game. Did you actually expect him to play well, considering how long he's been sitting?


#1932573 Should the Wings part ways with Osgood?

Posted by Doc Holliday on 05 April 2010 - 12:12 AM

In short: no.

In long (actually list form):

1. He is on the cap next year regardless unless there is a buyout which ain't happenin.
2. It is possible someone would want a trade for him (veteran backup with 2 cup rings as a starter says hello) but it isn't likely considering his age.
3. Howard has explicitly stated how much Osgood has helped his development, and he will still need it next year if he doesn't want to end up like a Mason or Ellis.
4. Osgood has been dedicated to the Winged Wheel since he got here, and moving Osgood before allowing him to get his 400th win here would be a serious blemish on Detroit's almost perfect reputation of loyalty within the franchise. Players like that.


#1932540 Should the Wings part ways with Osgood?

Posted by SouthernWingsFan on 04 April 2010 - 10:50 PM

No.

Unless Osgood develops an attitude problem or there's money issues (which I doubt either will happen), I want him to stay and retire as a Wing, whenever he wants to.

He's dedicated a good bit of his career to this organization and is just so underappreciated overall.

If Howard is the starter for good from now on out, next season, whatever, that's perfectly fine with me, I try not to show extreme pro or negative bias towards players. I just hate (and laugh at) when people say athletes are done, are scrubs, whatever else overdramatic when it is clearly not true.

Osgood is far from done, I just want to see him get 400 wins and retire as a Red Wing, whether he plays 50 games in a season or just 15 in a season or whatever.


#1931440 Osgood to start Sunday

Posted by Carman on 03 April 2010 - 11:05 PM

Why do we need to attack either goalie?

No reason to try and use stats to hurt Howard, and no reason to wish Osgood to fail.

Let's just be happy we have an experienced goalie as a back up, and a young stud who has played great all year.