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#2206334 Report: Wade Belak found dead in home

Posted by 55fan on 06 September 2011 - 07:09 AM

I know he was a public figure, but for the sake of his memory and respect for his wife and kids, I think we've entered the area where we need to respect their privacy and simply mourn the passing of a man who was influential as a hockey player.

Not trying to tell people what to do or say, or what they can or can't say. Just saying that maybe we need to think about that and let the guy rest in peace.

#2206223 Red Wings Sponsor?

Posted by 55fan on 05 September 2011 - 12:11 AM

My friend and her family are not nut jobs. I have no idea when or if they got out because I lost contact after college, but I can tell you that 20 years ago, they were quite normal people.

Since you'd love to hear how I figured out that it wouldn't work out mathematically, I'll tell you. You buy from the people above you. They buy from the people above them. And so it goes on.

Do the math. Let's say that each person gets 10 people under them.

The top person has 10 people. Level 1=1 person. Level 2=10. Total=11.
Level 3 has 100 people. Grand total=111
Level 4 has 1000 people. Grand total=1111
Level 5 has 10,000 people. Grand total=11,111
Level 6 has 100,000 people. Grand total=111,111
Level 7 has 1,000,000 people. Grand total=1,111,111
Level 8 has 10,000,000 people. Grand total=11,111,111
Level 9 has 100,000,000 people. Grand total=111,111,111

We are now at the 9th level, and we have over a million people. There are 2 founders, so double that final grand total. We now have over 200 million people. This is approximately the adult population of the US.

The population of the world is roughly 6.9 billion. Most of these people are either children or are too poor to buy any of these products, or are part of a remote population who do not use these products.

Realistically, you might get a level 10 with 1 billion people in it, but they do not have enough people left on the planet to take it to a level 11. There just aren't 10 billion people on the planet.

And this is assuming that everyone contacted agrees to the system. As you have seen here, perhaps only 1 out of 10 (in this thread) would even consider it, and I'm counting Martyrme as the 1, despite the fact that he/she has rejected the offer.

So it ends one of two ways: Either the people on levels 8 and 9 can't make any money because there is no one to sell to, or we don't even get to those levels because the top people are gathering more than 10 people.

So even if everyone agrees to be involved, there are only levels 7 on up making any money at all, and 6 and 7 aren't making very much at all. Which means that out of the entire population, just over 10,000 are making a living at it, while the rest are spending or breaking even.

If you go with the 1 in 10 people in the population agreeing to go along with it, then you bottom out at level 7, so levels 6 and 7 are paying in, 4 and 5 are making a bit of money or breaking even, while levels 1-3 are making money. This is 111 people making money off of the rest, assuming that those people were content to stop at 10 people on their level. If they get more, that's just more people that can't be assimilated on the lower levels, and more money for the uppers.

It's a combination of simple math and human behaviour.

It can only profit the top, who are also profiting from the motivational materials that the underlings must buy if they are following the system. Some people buy into it. They really believe that if they buy more tapes and books that they will be millionaires, and if they haven't recruited large numbers of people that it is their fault and not the fact that there are simply not enough people to make the lower levels rich.

#2206187 Red Wings Sponsor?

Posted by 55fan on 04 September 2011 - 05:43 PM

The problem is martyr, it's not Red Wings sponsored by the Devos family. It is Amway; a crooked company that has came under scrutiny by our government and has broken peoples lives based on false promises and ripping people off in cult like fashion.

The Devos family does great things for the state of Michigan but the Amway company does not deserve to be our sponsor plain and simple.

Well stated.

If they want to support charities with their money, more power to them. Some are ones I don't support; some are ones I do. Some are ones I've never heard of.

Either way, it's their money.

The company, on the other hand, uses high-pressure tactics and breaks its people down to get money from them.

To give you an example of what I'm talking about, let me tell you about a conversation between my former roommate and her mother, who was generally a very normal person.

I had asked her about the "system" she was following. I knew it was making her miserable and costing her money that she didn't have. She got upset (and she's usually calm and level-headed) and said she wasn't allowed to talk about it. Only her father and brother-in-law could.

So her father and mother came over- dad in a suit and tie, mom in a dress, and my roommate changed into a nice blouse and skirt. She had been cleaning all day. I felt underdressed, but I sat through the meeting. I was scared away by the pressure, but said I'd think about it because her dad just wouldn't take no for an answer.

Then her mother took her upstairs and ripped her a new ******* because she had ruined everything by not following the system. Their family would be in financial ruin because of her because she didn't follow the system. Her sister, who was her parents' sponsor would be angry with the parents for not getting me on board, and it was her fault for not following the system.

My roommate was crying and asking what she did wrong. Her mother was upset because she had worn a blouse and skirt, but the program called for a dress. The whole thing was her fault.

Later I tried to tell her that I had figured out why the system wouldn't work mathematically (which is the same reason a pyramid scheme wouldn't) and she told me I was not allowed to talk about anything from the meeting to her or anyone else or it would ruin her system and she would not be successful, nor would her family.

These were normal people, but they had been completely brainwashed.

When I hear Amway, I get a knot in my stomach and I get so angry I could just scream, even though this was almost 20 years ago.

This is why I don't want the Wings associated with them, especially not as a presenting sponsor.
As a regular sponsor, you just have your name on the boards or in the program or something. This is a full-blown commitment. The public statement said that the two have similar values (or goals, or whatever), which ties them together in ways I am not comfortable with.

Obviously I'm not going to renounce my fanship, but I am just not comfortable with this arrangement at all.

#2206080 I could have made it to the NHL!

Posted by 55fan on 03 September 2011 - 09:44 AM

... if I didn't weigh as much as Jan Mursak and Drew Miller combined.

#2206006 Red Wings Sponsor?

Posted by 55fan on 02 September 2011 - 02:11 PM

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#2206000 Happy belated birthday, hillbillywingsfan

Posted by 55fan on 02 September 2011 - 01:43 PM

I do know you well enough to know that you're just kidding, that's why I feel comfortable dishing it out to you. :P

Now shut up and eat your cake.

You don't have a cake?

Well go get one.

Now you're screwed. You can't have your cake and eat it too, so you have to choose.

#2205969 Happy belated birthday, hillbillywingsfan

Posted by 55fan on 02 September 2011 - 09:53 AM

We missed someone's birthday on July 11. Now we must all be nice and assuage the hurt feelings.

Dancing produce to the rescue.

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(Ya know I'm just teasing. Hope you had a good one, and consider these wishes for a good 33rd year of life.)

#2205890 Byfuglien Arrested for Drunken Boating

Posted by 55fan on 01 September 2011 - 05:02 PM

He's from Minnesota. It's a Minnesota thing.

#2205864 Cup dropped and dented... again...

Posted by 55fan on 01 September 2011 - 02:23 PM

I caught some heat on facebook for calling that guy a dips***.

One of the responses was "Dont get too mad, your boys in Detroit have dropped it a couple times"

This chick replied with "We've had it so many times, that's bound to happen"

She got a like out of me. Shes hot too.


The dents and bangs and dings are what give it character and a storied history. What other trophy has seen so much as our Stanley?

#2205860 Red Wings Sponsor?

Posted by 55fan on 01 September 2011 - 01:52 PM

Yup, I sat through the Amway presentation once because I didn't know what was coming. My roommate's parents had gotten her into it and she had to bring in so many new prospects according to the "system" or she wasn't following it. I said I'd give it a listen, just to help her out. Freaky.

I'm really not keen on the Red Wings being associated with them, but I guess everyone needs a cash cow.

Now if they can get 5 other teams to agree to the branding, and those teams get 5 teams...

#2205783 I could have made it to the NHL!

Posted by 55fan on 01 September 2011 - 09:13 AM

Oh, yeah, and I could have made it to the NHL if my skates hadn't been white and had TOE PICKS, and if they hadn't put me in a dang tutu.

#2205640 I could have made it to the NHL!

Posted by 55fan on 31 August 2011 - 03:05 PM

I could have made it to the NHL if I had been a child living in Canada to a father who was a high school athlete and supported my wish at age three to be a professional goalie when I grew up.

Oh, wait, all of that was true. What stopped me?

I could have made it to the NHL had I not been a GIRL, which forced me from hockey into figure skating as girls were not allowed to play hockey in the little town in which we lived. Nor could I play in the towns to which we later moved as they had no hockey programs.

But the first few years were favourable.

#2205394 St. Louis Blues slogan

Posted by 55fan on 28 August 2011 - 01:39 PM

Hmm... should have used "I Guess That's Why They Call It the Blues".

Change the words a little...

I guess that's why they call us the Blues.
Time and again, we do nothing but lose.
Diving like chickens, lose to the others,
Whine to officials like they're our mothers,
And I guess that's why they call us the Blues.

Or something. That was just off the top of my head and it really wasn't very good.

#2204987 Away Games

Posted by 55fan on 23 August 2011 - 09:33 PM

XL in St. Paul has been a treat both times I've been there. Nice people. No problem getting down for pre-game pics. Good time.

I'll be going there again in October! Can't wait!

Have fun with the Nucks!

#2204770 This or That

Posted by 55fan on 22 August 2011 - 12:21 AM

I used to be ^, but now I'm ... ah, gravity. :(

Dollars: Paper or metal?