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#2213860 Tell the Illitch Family to Drop "Presented by Amway"

Posted by 55fan on 10 October 2011 - 03:21 AM

Or maybe some people just don't see an issue with it. If you hate Amway and want everything associated with it to die, then where were you 1996 when Jay Van Andel donated a significant chunk of change to help build Van Andel arena? I don't hear people bitching about that right now, and it seems everyone hear has ZERO issues with the Griffins playing in an arena named after the founder of Amway.

I'll be honest with you, Trey. Until I got on the internet, I paid zero attention to the Griffins. I was aware that they were there, but that's the extent of it. I had no idea who sponsored their arena, nor did I care. I also had no clue until this all came up that Van Andel was the name of the Amway guy (or one of them).

Where was I in '96? 3 states away, and still unaware that "cut and paste" and "mouse" could make sense in the same sentence (barring rodent taxidermy, of course).

I know a lot of people would prefer that the Wings play in an arena that reflects hockey. Howe Arena or something of that nature would be perfect. However, we're in an era of corporate sponsorship. They spend the money; they want their name on it. If you think about it, it's really nothing more than really expensive advertising for them- and really, really expensive advertising at that.

I think that even though a lot of us wish for a pure hockey name, we realize that it's not a fiscal likelihood.

What I'm seeing in this thread, and was alluding to in the text you quoted, is that the flow of the posts seems to indicate that some people are unaware that most of the dissension springs from the company itself rather than corporate naming in general.

Maybe I'm wrong, or maybe I wasn't clear in the post you quoted. It just seems like the thread goes something like this:
Boo Amway!
Boo Amway!
Why are you against corporations?
It's not corporations, it's Amway.
Boo Amway!
Why are you against corporations?
It's not corporations, it's Amway.
Boo Amway!
Why are you against corporations?
It's not corporations, it's Amway.
Boo Amway!

Ad nauseum, ad infinitum.

It's true that some people have no issue with Amway, and others have issues with any corporate sponsorship, but it seems that this thread is going in circles with regard to what people are thinking that others are thinking. Either that or there are some people putting up strawmen.

#2213851 No more Draper birthday hyjinx :(

Posted by 55fan on 10 October 2011 - 12:11 AM

For old times' sake:

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#2213850 Tell the Illitch Family to Drop "Presented by Amway"

Posted by 55fan on 10 October 2011 - 12:08 AM

I don't think that's the issue, Konnan.

And what bill? The Wings have been making bank without a primary corporate sponsor for a decade.

Exactly. It is not a corporate issue. It's an Amway issue.

Snuggles presents the Detroit Red Wings, who are on a Hot n Juicy Power Play in the Third Period (brought to you by Sominex), here in the Fischer Price Arena? No problem.

I think enough people have harped on the fact that this is an AMWAY issue that people who are taking the issue as a generic sponsorship issue are either not paying attention or dodging the question purposely.

#2213581 Messing with the lines already?

Posted by 55fan on 08 October 2011 - 09:47 PM

Different players work together in different situations. Sometimes you have to mix things up. The luxury that the Wings have is that we have so few new guys that our core (sorry) players know each other well enough that we can mix things up to get what we need.

#2213364 Tell the Illitch Family to Drop "Presented by Amway"

Posted by 55fan on 08 October 2011 - 10:15 AM

How on earth does having a barely legal money-sucking scheme associated with our team make us more competitive? Their vitamins aren't that good. Anything they can buy, the Illitch family could also buy. It's just coming from a different pocket, and a dirty one at that.

That said, it is a done deal. Nothing we can do about it now.

#2212849 10/7 GDT:Senators 3 at Red Wings 5

Posted by 55fan on 07 October 2011 - 10:01 AM

Verlander wins the face-off, throws the puck to Calvin Johnson. Suh tackles the entire starting lineup for the Sens. Johnson passes to Cabrera, who gets the empty netter. Hanson with the extra point.

Wings win 7-0.

#2212843 Kronwall gets the third A

Posted by 55fan on 07 October 2011 - 09:41 AM


What a man. I'm glad he got it. He's always done well in interviews and I've heard he is taking on more of a leadership role in the locker room.

Great fit with the other fellows as well.

Congrats, Nik!

#2212598 Caps, Pens schedule benefit

Posted by 55fan on 06 October 2011 - 08:12 AM

If what I think is happening than I'm disgusted to see this. The Benefit is Fantastic and that's not what I'm upset about; but WHY is it the Pens and Caps doing this. Something tells me that Bettman set this up to make these two teams look this classy. It just so happens that it's Crosby's and Ovechkin's Teams that are doing this. How many players on the plane actually played on the Pens or Caps team?? 3 Former Red Wings died on the plane and yes the Wings went to the Funeral but why aren't they doing something like that. That's more of a thing that I would imagine that Mr. Illitch would set up with the Wings since I truly believe that he is a classy guy. I hope I'm wrong and if I am I'll eat Crow but it just makes me believe that it wasn't truly the idea of these two teams to do this and that there is a mastermind behind it. I know the plane crash did have an effect on Ovechkin at least that's what I heard but it just smells a little fishy to me to make Crosby and Ovechkin and their teams out to be the good guys. If something is going to be done it should envolve the entire NHL. If I'm out of line I apologize.

Malkin. Ovechkin. Russians. Dots? Connected.

#2212180 Caps, Pens schedule benefit

Posted by 55fan on 04 October 2011 - 04:05 PM

Good for them!

Includes selling bracelets and auctioning off game worn, autographed jerseys.

#2211361 NHL will Look into Fighting: Shanahan

Posted by 55fan on 01 October 2011 - 05:10 PM

Look at the bright side; at least someone cares about proper grammar and punctuation. So few people do anymore.

True. Without punctuation, the thread title would read, "NHL will Look into Fighting Shanahan".

#2211342 10/1 Exhibition GDT: Red Wings at Toronto Maple Leafs

Posted by 55fan on 01 October 2011 - 04:11 PM

terrible lineup for tonight, hopefully Leafs don't dress 3/4 of there roster tonight like last night. Helm has been invisible every game I watched with him, I don't think he will ever play in the top 6.

I don't see Helm as a top 6 guy, to be honest. I see him as a kickass third line guy who adds an amazing element that will give us great depth and a pk specialist.

And a cute guy for the younger girls to giggle over.

We're definitely dressing the B squad tonight.

Go Wings!

#2211036 Brendan Smith suspended for 5 games

Posted by 55fan on 30 September 2011 - 05:56 PM

Smith was at fault.

#2210620 Numbers to be placed on FRONT and back of helmet

Posted by 55fan on 29 September 2011 - 04:04 PM

I was just thinking... If they have them on the back of the jerseys, why do they need them on the back of the helmets too? Is the numbering of the helmets just so that the players can easily identify their own helmets? So the right helmets end up in the right lockers?

If that's the case, why not just put them on the front only? They'd still be serving their purpose along with the dual function of helping alien fans recognize the opposition.

Plus it'd be another way to determine if a player has been concussed. Just see if he puts his lid on backwards.

#2210183 Numbers to be placed on FRONT and back of helmet

Posted by 55fan on 28 September 2011 - 02:53 PM

It's not so bad. Many times I've watched an opposing team and wondered who someone is but wasn't able to get his number to look him up. I recognize the marquee players, but 4th line RW for the Panthers? Um, not so much.

It's not garish. I could just as easily do without, but it's not like "Amway presents #25" or something.

#2210172 9/28 Exhibition GDT: Red Wings at Chicago Blackhawks

Posted by 55fan on 28 September 2011 - 02:21 PM

I'll be at this game tonight at the UC.

Kind of wish we had a few more starters in the lineup, this could get brutal.

Especially since the majority of the Hawks "fans" at the game will completely fail to comprehend that none of the Wings starters are playing, and will inevitably think that tonight's game alone is proof that the Wings are old and slow and derpity derp derp.

Then again... if the Wings happen to have a great game and take control of the scoreboard, I'll have no problem pointing out to the crowd that non of our starters are playing! :hehe:

Win-win for us. If the Wings win, we'll crush the spirits of the Hawks players (who, no doubt, realize that this is our B squad even if the fans don't). If we lose, the fans will go into the season thinking that they are so much better than they really are, and we'll be able to laugh at them when they fall back on a pre-season victory to assuage their feelings of inadequacy after a regular season loss.

Go Wings!