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#2514293 Least Favorite Wings Players

Posted by Manny>Ozzie(by a long shot) on Today, 11:02 AM

Franzen, Franzen, and Franzen

#2514305 Least Favorite Wings Players

Posted by Euro_Twins on Today, 11:17 AM

I like everyone who is currently in the lineup except kindl and lashoff. Sproul looked so much better than them in the one game he played. I kind of hope Babcock will take a gamble and play an unproven defenseman like Sproul or Oulette

Ouellet has been recalled and is practicing with the team. Could be in for game 4

#2514225 ADQF | Game 3 | Boston 3 @ Detroit 0, BOS leads series 2-1

Posted by wings87 on Yesterday, 11:37 PM

Nothing about the coaching makes any sense. The Wings keep running the same play over and over, and are shocked its not successful. From line selection to playing time, to running actual plays; the coaching staff is really dropping the ball here. The staff deserves plenty of blame, but the main reason we look so bad out there is because the effort is lacking. We've got half the team just standing around digging in their noses, while the other half- I genuinely don't know what the other half is doing. 


We're losing every 50/50 puck, because we're playing soft. Way too many fly by's on the forecheck, and way to many give-a-ways on the backcheck. 

#2514218 ADQF | Game 3 | Boston 3 @ Detroit 0, BOS leads series 2-1

Posted by kipwinger on Yesterday, 11:24 PM


This whole thing is just insane. Babs is just bracing Jurco and Kindl for next year, when a) Jurco is back in GRs and b) Kindl is on the 2nd pairing.  :w00t:




This whole thing is just insane. Babs is just bracing Jurco and Kindl for next year, when a) Jurco is back in GRs and b) Kindl is on the 2nd pairing.  :w00t:


The only thing that I can think of is that the man we know as "Mike Babcock" is actually a performance artist named Skye Rainwater who got his liberal arts degree from UC Berkley.  For years Skye had toyed with the theory that the American public was getting slower, duller, and more obtuse by the second.  It's not hard to imagine someone from UC Berkley holding such an opinion.  Eventually, Skye found an opportunity to prove his theory when Gary Bettman cruelly tricked Marian Illitch into biting an apple from the Tree of Knowledge, thus tearing the organizations' decision makers out of their pre-2005 enlightenment and into the dark age of "parity" and "Mike Babcock". 


Ever since that fateful day, Red Wings fans have been the subject of hockey's biggest social experiment.  The man we know as Mike Babcock (aka Skye Rainwater) does the dumbest s*** possible all the time...yet cleverly misdirects scrutiny by consistently uttering meaningless platitudes such as tonight's postgame "You shouldn’t give up easy access to your blue line" and "The second thing is we got to have a better plan and execution on our power play". 


Convinced that nobody will notice, his idiotic decision making and meaningless gibberish will continue until one day the Messiah will return, flanked by the Mahdi, and Dale Earnhardt (R.I.P) to vanquish the serpent (Bettman), send Skye Rainwater back to bowels of California, and promote Jeff Blashill to coach the Detroit Red Wings.


Blashill's first act as newly appointed head coach, and survivor of the fight between good and evil... 



#2514205 ADQF | Game 3 | Boston 3 @ Detroit 0, BOS leads series 2-1

Posted by kipwinger on Yesterday, 11:00 PM

If you've got an analytical mind and you really want to piss yourself off, mosey on over to the box score and have a look at the ice times for various Red Wings.  Here's a couple fun things that stand out...


1.  Jurco and Legwand nearly had as little 5-on-5 ice time as Shawn Thornton:  If these two didn't run a train on Bab's wife to get in his doghouse, they probably should now so they'll at least deserve the punishment. 


2.  Andersson, 8:17 seconds:  If you aren't going to play him why call him up?  Surely Bertuzzi is better than Andersson for 8 minutes a night.  


3.  Kindl, 18:02:  Lol. 


4. Legwand, 15 shifts:  2 more than Jordan Caron, Boston's worst player.  7 fewer than Brian Lashoff, our worst player. 

#2514203 ADQF | Game 3 | Boston 3 @ Detroit 0, BOS leads series 2-1

Posted by GoWings1905 on Yesterday, 10:59 PM

Forgot to add it, though it should be mentioned Brendan Smith was terrific in the game. His confidence is on another level when paired with Kronwall. Such a smooth skater and has done a nice job leading the rush in this series.

Now if only there was a solution for the AHL calibre play of Kindl and Lashoff...

#2514199 ADQF | Game 3 | Boston 3 @ Detroit 0, BOS leads series 2-1

Posted by GoWings1905 on Yesterday, 10:52 PM

Always fun to attend a playoff game, but that was a dismal performance by the Wings. Most teams feed off the crowd's energy early and instead the Red Wings handed the Bruins the game by not showing up the entire first period. Stupid too many men penalty and a pathetic line change just can't happen against a team as good as Boston.

Bottom line is the Wings can't score goals or really sustain any pressure against the Bruins. The power play moved the puck better tonight, but again special teams are swinging this series in Boston's favor.

Unfotunately, the kids carried the Red Wings to the playoffs and they now appear overmatched. Maybe a good learning experience no less, but clearly their impact hasn't been felt yet in this series at all. I can deal with the kids being exposed by the stage, but what's the excuse for the veterans? I'm done with Johan Franzen. I'm sure everything has already been said about him through the course of this thread, but he's a bum. No way do his random scoring streaks outweigh the stretches of not even appearing to care about hockey. He has been completely useless for over 20 games now. That's a 1/4 of a season where one of your "best" players hasn't even shown up.

I also don't see much reason to keep David Legwand for the future. It was probably a necessary overpayment at the time because of injuries, but he hasn't shown anything worthwhile of keeping beyond this season.

Took far too long for Babs to switch up the lines, but I'm not sure any combination is going to make a difference at this point. Eventually the players just have to go out there and score goals. Pav, Helm and Abby were the only forwards I noticed that brought it almost every shift tonight. Miller and Glendening work hard, but neither has much skill.

Season on the line Thursday. It shouldn't be a question in a home playoff game, but I would hope the Wings decide to start on time.

#2514197 ADQF | Game 3 | Boston 3 @ Detroit 0, BOS leads series 2-1

Posted by gcom007 on Yesterday, 10:49 PM

What I see going on here is that fans are confusing themselves with players. 


When a goalie gives up an early goal, it's absolutely deflating to a fan, and I suppose it's not unreasonable for fans to assume the same thing happens to players. 


But I've been watching hockey a long time, and I honestly don't believe that it works that way.


Have I seen a goal deflate a team? Yes. But when it happens, it almost always follows a certain script:


1. Underdog team works its arse off to build a lead against a favored opponent.

2. Underdog carries a lead into the third period, maybe even well into the third period.

3. Favored team starts acting frustrated, taking themselves out of the game

4. Underdog team's goalie gives up a bad goal (or two)

5a. Rest of underdog team collectively goes "Oh, FFS, we killed ourselves for 50 minutes only for THAT to happen?!?"

5b. Goal(s) lights a fire under favored team, which starts playing with focus

6. Favored team carries momentum over final 5-10 minutes, building pressure to the point that they finally score the game-winner to complete the comeback.


That's why I (and others) are heaping so much scorn on the "deflating goal" theory tonight. The Wings never inflated in the first place. They never accomplished anything that they could be frustrated at losing. And, yes, if you pack it in after a goal with 50 minutes left on the clock, by definition you are not Stanley Cup material.


Mickey Redmond was a player and seemed to believe that giving up those early goals/leads was deflating. Does his opinion not count?


I don't generally disagree with much of what you said. As I said, if this was one game, I'd let it slide. I raised no stink about Howard's gaff after the last game, and he played a worse game two overall than game three. Hell, I think I might've even defended him! It's one bad goal, it happens, you don't let in another easy one. No big deal. Again, s*** happens.


But this is the second game in a row where at the very least what most would consider a weak goal was given up to give them an early lead. There's some debate about how easy of a goal it was to give up, but I don't think anyone can say that it wasn't a goal that he probably could've and should've stopped. If he hadn't had the game two early goal issue, I wouldn't be upset at all about this game. But two playoff games in a row with two lackluster goals against to surrender the lead to a team like Boston is a serious problem.

#2514176 ADQF | Game 3 | Boston 3 @ Detroit 0, BOS leads series 2-1

Posted by Playmaker on Yesterday, 10:19 PM


Oh, well as long as it wasn't impossible, I guess you're right.  Let's not put any of the blame on the defense for allowing the Bruins to make that play.  Let's not put any of the blame on the offense for only being able to score one fluke goal.  If Howard doesn't make every save that isn't literally impossible, it's his fault.  


Oh, right, nothing is Howard's fault.  It's all everyone else's fault.  He can't be blamed for anything.  Let's blame the rookie defensemen or Babcock, because he can't win anything.  Talk about delusional. There's no way of knowing how these games would have turned out differently had Howard not given up 2 bad goals.  In fact, in Game 1 we did see what could happen.   

#2514175 ADQF | Game 3 | Boston 3 @ Detroit 0, BOS leads series 2-1

Posted by GMRwings1983 on Yesterday, 10:17 PM

Man, people blaming Howard is unbelievable. It makes me wonder if you guys are real hockey fans. When you score ZERO goals do you expect to win? So Howard is supposed to make EVERY stop until the Red Wings score? LoL. I thought Howard finished strong. Wings didn't have ANY puck luck today and NOTHING went their way. The post by Helm was huge, if that goes in, it's a different game. Wings looked like s*** yes, but it's still only 2-1. Do I think the Wings will win? No, but it's far from over. They have to find a way to score.


The  people blaming Howard are also blaming everyone else.  If you go back through this thread (I don't recommend it) you'll see that.  

#2514168 ADQF | Game 3 | Boston 3 @ Detroit 0, BOS leads series 2-1

Posted by GMRwings1983 on Yesterday, 10:12 PM

I can agree with that logic, although Osgood after a cup under his belt continued to receive the same blame and grief for the rest of his career regardless of what he was doing.


I'm just calling it as I see it, I can live with allowing 2 goals a game as long as we can match or put up more. Averaging less than a goal scored per game will doom us even if howard allows one goal per game in the next three games, chances are they will still win a game or two 1-0 and take the series.


Must find a way to score goals.


Wings won the Cup in spite of Osgood in 1998, not because of him.  Watch the recaps of those entire 1998 playoffs, and you'll see him give up so many mindblowingly bad goals.  Quick was the exact opposite in 2012 (of course the goalie position changed since 1998).  Eventually, Ozzie was moved after some subpar performances against Colorado in the playoffs, and that 2001 disaster against LA.  If Quick sucks several seasons in a row in the postseason, he may get the same treatment.  

#2514162 ADQF | Game 3 | Boston 3 @ Detroit 0, BOS leads series 2-1

Posted by Playmaker on Yesterday, 10:09 PM


If a player gives up when down by 1 or 2 goals in the first period, he should not be in the NHL. 


This series, Howard has six goals against, the team has scored two, one of which was a flukey bounce.  Goaltending is the only area that has been half-way decent. 


There's no denying that Howard was pretty awful throughout the season.  However, he's been much more consistent since the Olympic break.  Without him, we're down 3-0.  Arguably, he's plaid well enough for us to be up 2-1.

Who said they gave up?  But anyone who has played any sport at any time knows a thing about momentum.  The easy game 2 and 3 goals not only gives Boston confidence, but it gives them the ability to play their game and forces the Wings to change theirs.

#2514160 ADQF | Game 3 | Boston 3 @ Detroit 0, BOS leads series 2-1

Posted by Playmaker on Yesterday, 10:03 PM


Kudos.  Tampa Bay scored ten goals in four games and they're on a long, lonely, quiet flight out of Montreal right about now. 

With their back up goalie in net.  

#2514117 ADQF | Game 3 | Boston 3 @ Detroit 0, BOS leads series 2-1

Posted by CrimsonFlame on Yesterday, 09:33 PM


Read my mind about the Carlyle thing. I was trying to imagine what Babs's post-game rant would be, and I kept thinking of Randy Carlyle and his epic hard-on for Compete.


But, really, that's what was so ugly about tonight, at least to me. I felt like we were never really giving it our all, or anything even close to it. What are we saving anything for? Down 3-1 and facing elimination in Boston? Is that when we're planning to "Leave No Doubt"? Blah. Check your heads and hearts, Wings. Tonight should be the mother of all wake-up calls.


This exactly.  There was NO effort.  No sense of urgency.  Not metaphorical fire under their asses.  Just the usual float around "calm collected cool" mentality. 


I wouldn't be this pissed off if they showed some damn effort and energy. 

#2514109 ADQF | Game 3 | Boston 3 @ Detroit 0, BOS leads series 2-1

Posted by Playmaker on Yesterday, 09:27 PM

Obviously, the defense has been poor and the offense has been anemic.  It isn't the amount of goals that Howard has given up, its also about the when and the how.  A majority of the team were playing in Grand Rapids to start the season, Datsyuk is clearly not 100%, Z is out, Franzen is a no show.  Howard is a number one goalie making number one goalie money in the prime of his career.  It's on him to lead the team with his play.  He did so in game one, not so much in games 2 and 3.