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#2536123 Who should get cut/traded by game 1 of the season?

Posted by number9 on 12 September 2014 - 09:43 PM

Well I think if were gonna contend again with hank and pav still here were gonna need some of our better younger prospects to help out , unless we pull off a big trade

Cleary miller Andersson are taking up 3 spots and I think we can do a better job in the back end


IDK who dnumber9 is, but I gotta say I like the guy!

A trade involving those guys or others like them would be awesome, but it's not gonna happen. No one wants to give up anything good for our scraps. Phasing those guys out and bring up the kids is not a one season/preseason process. They're going to be phased out throughout this season and the coming ones.


It's a brand new season. Ferraro Callahan Cleary and Kindl could all surprise us and come back better then ever. Well-liked guys like Tatar could suddenly disappoint. You just don't know. Ericsson surprised everyone. Hudler disappointed everyone. I think all our scraps deserve a fair shot to prove they're not what we have pigeon-holed them to be. If they don't do that I have no problem sending them down for a kid. Lets just be patient and honor the players who deserve a shot.


The sudden eagerness to throw Callahan to the wolves particularly irks me. Highly praised by LGW throughout last season for his goal scoring and toughness in GR, now suddenly hie' expendable. People have 2 minutes memories.

#2536115 Who should get cut/traded by game 1 of the season?

Posted by dirtydangles on 12 September 2014 - 08:51 PM

Love to see Kindl/Lashoff and Cleary gone by game 1. I'd jump for joy. Quincey too but that ain't happening.

#2535975 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by number9 on 11 September 2014 - 02:36 PM

I have no doubt that Babcock and Holland chat now and then about potential player moves and Babcock provides input, etc.  However, beyond that, I have no idea how much influence Babcock actually has on the players that make it to the team at the end of the day.  He may have a lot of influence, he may have very little.  The fact of the matter is, no one on this site knows how much or how little influence he has either (unless you or someone you are close with is part of the GM's office).


Same could be said about final roster.  Typically the GM brings in the players and then it's the coaches job to pick the final roster from that overall group of players and then also make call up decisions when needed, etc.  The GM is obviously going to have some input in that process, but again, how little or how much is likely not known by most.


You can try and minimize my point all you want. Of course none of us really know the inner workings of the Red Wings organization. But to think that a GM doesn't ask his head coach what he wants, who he wants, and who he could do without, and that, that doesn't heavily influence the players he chases is kind of insane.


Obama might be at the head of the Military, but when there's a battle to be fought he doesn't just go buy some tanks and send them, he asks his general(s) what they need/want and acts accordingly.


Holland and all his scouts can sit down and agree that the team needs more 4th line fighter types... but if Babcock won't play a guy like that then there's no sense in signing one despite what you and your personnel tell yourselves.


It'd be like commissioning a sculptor to make a work of art for you, and then giving him paints and oils to work with. The guy might be a real good artist, but that piece is gonna suck.


If I'm Holland, Babs has a ton of sway in my personnel choices. Now his needs/wants may not be feasible due to availability of players, financial concerns, and my long-term vision for the team, but I'd do my best to cater to my coach within those limitations.


EDIT: Managment also consults Datsyuk and Zetterberg on players as well. Fischer mentioned recently that after training camp they're going to hear boths opinions on Mantha. Holland is not some insane puppeteer. There's a giant organization of guidance and opinions beneath him. 

#2535846 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by GoWings1905 on 10 September 2014 - 11:15 AM


There is thread after thread of people absolutely bashing Holland and saying he needs to go, but I haven't read a single post saying that Babcock needs to be fired. There are some putting him down, but not like Holland. But to be fair I dont read every post in every thread.


I 100% agree with you that Holland is responsible for the roster, my point wasn't that Babcock deserves blame (I get why they signed Cleary, a promise was made last year, and the Wings kept their word). The point I was trying to make is that people are so quick to jump down Hollands throat in comparison to others because that seems to be the thing to do right now.


In all seriousness, my apologies for circumventing the profanity filter. I have seen people do it in a number of threads and I thought it was allowed.


I think the difference between the two is Babcock has taken Holland's makeshift/transitional/mediocre/insert your preferred term rosters and kept them competitive. Babs certainly has his faults, but how many coaches get last year's version of the Red Wings into the playoffs at all given the circumstances? I have gotten on Babs in the past for his stubbornness and certain personnel decisions, though in reality he has done exceptional work and last season was probably his best coaching job to date. 


I don't want to turn this into another bash Holland thread, but I think the track record since 2009 speaks for itself. That's why the general manager has taken more heat than the head coach. Babs can only coach up the players he's given so much. 

#2535997 Ericsson and Alfredsson not 100%

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 11 September 2014 - 05:17 PM

Less talk about this forum and people whining.  More talk about the actual topic please. 

#2536014 Rule Changes for 2014-2015 Season

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 11 September 2014 - 08:14 PM

Getting rid of the instigator rule would have been nice.


So would eliminating the shootout.

#2535987 Rule Changes for 2014-2015 Season

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 11 September 2014 - 03:57 PM

@Proteautype: NHL bans spin-o-ramas in shootouts and penalty shots. You're next, dipsy-doodlers.

@Proteautype: The problem was never with spinning, understand. But when it got to o-rama levels, something clearly had to be done.


#2535977 Rule Changes for 2014-2015 Season

Posted by Son of a Wing on 11 September 2014 - 02:45 PM

I don't really get the elimination of the 'Spin-O-Rama' move...


They're obviously keeping the shootout for entertainment purposes but getting rid of one of the more entertaining moves?


Is it gimmicky? Yes. But so is the whole concept of a shootout to decide a hockey game.

#2535912 Dekeyser/Tatar status update

Posted by gcom007 on 11 September 2014 - 12:32 AM


DD and Quincey both have the same agent


Here is a tidbit from the article posted in this thread by BottleOfSmoke which is written by Nsar Khan regarding DD & Quincey.


"His defense partner, Kyle Quincey, signed a two-year, $8.5 million contract on July 1. But Quincey's contract has nothing to do with DeKesyer's negotiations. Quincey was an unrestricted free agent with 418 games of NHL experience, regular season and playoffs. DeKeyser is restricted. They're represented by the same agent, Pat Morris, who hasn't used Quincey's contract as a basis in DeKeyser's talks."




That's the point. What needs to be said when all parties involved know exactly what went down with Quincey? What do you expect people to say in the press? I am well aware of the overlap and the differences in contracts and careers; I read the articles. Bottom line is that a player of less value than Dekeyser got signed for more money than the Wings want to give Dekeyser, and whether Dekeyser feels he deserves as much or not, you can be assured that he's not going to go down easy after seeing that Quincey deal.


I adamantly stand by what I said.


"you have to be an idiot if you think that didn't send a message to Dekeyser's camp, and it was the wrong message to send considering Dekeyser stands to be important to this team for the long-run when Quincey should've been a guy shown the door."

#2535903 Dekeyser/Tatar status update

Posted by themcityblues on 10 September 2014 - 09:35 PM

I'd argue DD is the most important young player on this team, above Nyquist and Tatar. And yet Kenny signs Cleary and Quincey while he lowballs his #1 defensive prospect and doesn't have him signed up a few weeks before preseason. Damn, you'd think Kenny would understand priorities.

#2535783 Dekeyser/Tatar status update

Posted by number9 on 08 September 2014 - 10:12 PM

Dekeyser won't ever put up the points to be a #1.


Only a sith deals in absolutes

#2535591 Cam fowler skated at the wings practice today

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 04 September 2014 - 09:04 PM

He probably likes skating with one of the worst defensive corps in the league, to make himself feel better and faster.  

#2535625 "But I don't want to be a pirate."

Posted by Euro_Twins on 05 September 2014 - 03:52 PM

How can you hate the Drake? Everyone loves the Drake. It's those quiet talkers you have to watch out for.

High talkers, low talkers, close talkers. It's the re-gifters that you really need to watch out for!

#2535620 "But I don't want to be a pirate."

Posted by softshoes on 05 September 2014 - 02:01 PM

We love the Sein! I hate the Drake, though.

How can you hate the Drake? Everyone loves the Drake. It's those quiet talkers you have to watch out for.

#2535616 "But I don't want to be a pirate."

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 05 September 2014 - 01:17 PM

One of the best Seinfeld episodes.  


The Canucks should do some kind of Marine Biologist theme (they have a whale on their logo).



Not sure if Canadians watch Seinfeld, though.  

We love the Sein! I hate the Drake, though.