well with me you can probably tell by the amount of exclamation points i use
Sorry - I missed the subtleties; I'm used to the "Emoticons"
$6.2 mil seems reasonable especially for Lidstrom.Welcome back Nick.
Very reasonable indeed...Like others have said - if Nick were greedy he could've gone elsewhere, and have gotten $7 million plus - however he's a good guy, a class act, and thankfully a Detroit Red Wing for life.
Don't assume that this will Lidstrom's last season. He, like many other players around his age, is going to be signing one-year contracts from here on out so that he has the option to retire after any season without any extra years counting against his team's salary cap (recall that a chunk of a player's salary stays on the cap if he retires after having been signed past a certain age).
In his prime or not, he's still an elite NHL defenseman and ONE of the best, whereas in his prime, he was THE best, bar none
TOP 10 Scorers From Last Year D Mike Green WSH - 5.25mil D Duncan Keith CHI - 5.5mil D Drew Doughty LA - 3.475mil (still on entry level - this is with bonuses) D Dan Boyle SJ - 6.67mil D Chris Pronger PHI - 6.25mil D Tobias Enstrom ATL - 3.75mil D Sergei Gonchar PIT - 5mil D Nicklas Lidstrom DET - ? D Mark Streit NYI - 4.1mil D Tomas Kaberle TOR - 4.25 mil
To suggest that he deserves a penny less than 5 million with this comparison in mind, is downright insulting.
EDIT - He deserves whatever he wants and although I'd be elated if he took less on his own accord, we should not expect it, nor do we have ANY right to be angry if he does not - he has earned this and DESERVES it.
I hate it when people have valid proof, and reasoning with their posts...No chance in hell for me to argue
I disagree because the feeling within the organization is that he'll re-sign. These guys have nothing to gain by lying about it-- they'll just look like dicks if they all say they think he's coming back then he retires.
Well there was speculation that Stevie was going to be the future GM of Tampa, but from what I recall the Red Wings/Yzerman pretty much dismissed those early reports as well, and we all know how that turned out.
There's still a fair chance that Lids will retire.
Hudler is above average defensively? Hudler works hard? I'm sure you'll provide some miraculous stats to prove these opinions. Hudler is not a two-way player in any shape or form, and he disappears against bigger, faster teams (because he absolutely cannot out-muscle anyone in this league).
i've only seen one mock draft that has the wings taking McIlrath
most have them taking Mark Pysyk
Notes: The Oil Kings chose Pysyk third overall in the 2007 WHL Bantam Draft. Last summer he represented Canada at the U18 Ivan Hlinka tournament. He has great vision that allows him to not panic and make the first pass out of the zone. - International Scouting Services
Don't we already have a few of these types going to, or are already in GR?
If the Red Wings pick this guy when McIlrath is available - I'll be quite upset.
I'm thinking more like Hatcher then Pronger because Pronger is actually so good regardless of how much people hate him here.
Mcilrath is ranked to go around 20th, the highest I saw him going was 15th and most of the NHL writer mock drafts have him going to detroit. If he's still on the board when Detroit picks I'm sure they'll take him.
Unless of course someone else drops way more then what they should, Macfarland is a possibility.
I'll bet Holland would rather take Pysyk over McIlrath.
Exactly. Sure this organization prides itself on loyalty but at the same time it is a business and the team needs to stay competitive. If a guy loses his edge (like it seems Lilja probably has) then he should be replaced, not clogging up a roster spot for fresh blood to be brought in.
I don't want to see just anyone brought in to replace him, I wanna see someone who will provide what Lilja used to and can't anymore. A guy like Brookbank would be the best fit probably. He'll clear the crease, lay big hits, is a heavyweight fighter and can kill penalties. He plays 15 minutes a game on a ducks team and is a lot younger the Lils.
Seems like the perfect replacement to me. I guess I should add that he's plus 10 as well so he's pretty responsible considering his team didn't make playoffs.
Not trying to derail the topic on hand.....But I too feel 1 of our biggest needs on D is a physical presence that we lack (have lacked for some time), and from what I know there isn't anyone in GR that'll fill this role.
What we have in GR (or will soon have in GR) are slender built puck possession Lidstrom wanna-bees who are nowhere near the calibre of player Nick is, and since they don't do any 1 thing that really stands out - they'll be AHL'ers for the bulk of their careers.....Maybe I'm asking too much, but I just wanna see this team get mean again.
I think signing Brookbank and letting Lilja go would be a good move. We would save cap space and Brookbank gives everything pre injury Lilja adds plus a lot more effectiveness at it.
If Brookbank could be had cheap you could sign both Lilja for a season and see who deserves to stay
I don't see Lilja being the same player over the course of a whole year.
I don't mean to sound like an ass here, but in a way I see Lilja as damaged goods, and as much as I'd like to see him here for a few more years I'd hate for him to tie up a roster spot, and cap space if he were to have another head injury that would take him outta action for a long period of time.