Like Drake_Marcus said it: when you draft 21st you have to sacrifice either physical part, mental part or talent. You can't teach talent. That's a fact. You can make players more physical. Players can improve their skating etc. Players' mental issues (Kabanov) can be fixed as well. You need to draft the guy with the best upside.
A guy like McIlrath will never be more than a Lilja-type player (4th d-man at best). A guy like Kabanov though... This is the Detroit Red Wings. We can fix those kinda issues. It would be stupid to not take that risk. Or a player like Pulkkinen. We would sacrifice the physical aspect there, but that can be teach either.
Tinordi isn't projected to have hardly any offense whatsoever. Mcilrath they are saying has an offensive side that he could develop. At the very most, Tinordi and Mcilrath are even offensively. They are the same player with Mcilrath being tougher and probably a bit better defensively since he's ranked so much higher then Tinordi.
Personally I'd prefer the likes of a guy like McIlrath - however cr00d may have a valid point concerning the college bound Tinordi in that he might be capable of developing into something more.
I'm no scout, and I've only seen Tinordi play in the WJR - so I honestly take whatever is said by the "experts" on TSN.....They like McIlrath, and so do I.
Tinordi is a better skater, has more offensive upside, is equally as big, just doesn't drop the gloves nearly as much as Mcilrath. He's a great leader, had a great combine, and has the whole bloodline thing going for him.
Tinordi simply fits better in our system than Mcilrath would, and that's a fact. Everyone on here wants Mcilrath because he's a big meat head, stay at home defender/fighter, and that's something we've lacked for a long time (fighter part anyway).
Kenny also loves to draft college bound players, and Tinordi happens to be heading to Notre Dame. That gives him more time to develop before a qualifying offer needs to be made.
I wouldn't be the slightest bit upset if we ended up with Mcilrath, though I'd honestly prefer Tinordi.
Good points here...And you're right about Holland wanting skill with that size, and add to that the option of having the kid develope in college for a few extra years is what the Red Wings mgt prefer.
I dont get the McIlrath love here. The kid hardly has any offensive upside and if it wasnt for his fighting and toughness he would just be another no name guy going late in the draft. If we want another Lilja we can get one through free agency and not waste our first rounder on one.
Anyways, the Wings always draft for skill, not size or toughness. Getting McIlrath would be a long shot especially for the Wings organization. Bjugstad looks like the high skilled center that could really make an impact on this team, but who knows who we will pick. Almost every mock draft has us going for someone different, there is no medium. This draft should be very interesting nonetheless.
While I know little of this kid - he does sound as though he'll make his way into the NHL as a tough as nails stay at home type Dman...He won't be the kind of guy who'll be in highlite reels during the reg season, but when it comes time for the playoffs - he'll be the guy who'll run the opposing forwards into the boards, clear the crease of the opposition, and block shots while playing on the pk, and from time to time he'll beat the snot outta guys like Tootoo, and Cooke.
We could use some of that on our team; nothing against Ericsson, Kronwall, Stuart, or Kindl, but none of these guys bring that sort of nastiness.
You had Shanny, Mac, Kocur, Lapointe had great upper body strength. Plus you had Vladdy who, even though he didn't fight all that much, was the kind of player that teams absolutely hated to play against.
I think a lot of us are begging for a team like that again.
I've said it 1,000 times plus already; I'd take that 1997 Cup team over our 2008 Cup winning team in a second.
Agreed... now that I think about it, he probably belongs on my 2nd tier below Konopka... just out of the FA's available, I like his game (when he's healthy)... I guess I should have been clearer that he wasn't any type of an enforcer, since that is what this thread is...
Up until a few short years ago he was coveted by a good number of teams for what he brought; big body, good hands, a very solid 2-way forward...With the injuries he's not where he was, but for the league minimum I wouldn't mind him getting a chance on the Red Wings.