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#2003146 Who Do The Wings Draft in the First Round?

Posted by F.Michael on 23 June 2010 - 10:06 AM

Pronger spent less than 80 mins in the box? Where's the calf-stompin', spearing, knee-on-knee Pronger of old?

:lol:


#2003139 Jason Spezza...

Posted by F.Michael on 23 June 2010 - 09:54 AM

Spezza is a legit top-line center, and just about guaranteed 80 plus points each year.

He would be of good use in Toronto.


#2002736 Who Do The Wings Draft in the First Round?

Posted by F.Michael on 22 June 2010 - 03:32 PM

Like Drake_Marcus said it: when you draft 21st you have to sacrifice either physical part, mental part or talent. You can't teach talent. That's a fact. You can make players more physical. Players can improve their skating etc. Players' mental issues (Kabanov) can be fixed as well. You need to draft the guy with the best upside.

A guy like McIlrath will never be more than a Lilja-type player (4th d-man at best). A guy like Kabanov though... This is the Detroit Red Wings. We can fix those kinda issues. It would be stupid to not take that risk. Or a player like Pulkkinen. We would sacrifice the physical aspect there, but that can be teach either.

There are just examples but:

- McIlrath: sacrifice talent
- Kabanov: sacrifice mental "things"
- Pulkkinen: sacrifice physical game

Now these are just examples, we don't know if Pulkkinen even goes in the top6. But if you've got three basically equal players you just can't sacrifice talent.

With all due respect I think McIlrath has alot more upside than what Lilja could have ever dreamed of.

Lilja is, and always was a 5/6 Dman; McIlrath has the potential to be a 3/4 guy.

You don't make it in the top 20 prospects on thuggishness alone.


#2002699 HHOF Class of 2010.

Posted by F.Michael on 22 June 2010 - 02:59 PM

I'm very happy to see Dino will be inducted into the HOF :thumbup:


#2002662 Who Do The Wings Draft in the First Round?

Posted by F.Michael on 22 June 2010 - 02:30 PM

Tinordi isn't projected to have hardly any offense whatsoever. Mcilrath they are saying has an offensive side that he could develop. At the very most, Tinordi and Mcilrath are even offensively. They are the same player with Mcilrath being tougher and probably a bit better defensively since he's ranked so much higher then Tinordi.

Personally I'd prefer the likes of a guy like McIlrath - however cr00d may have a valid point concerning the college bound Tinordi in that he might be capable of developing into something more.

I'm no scout, and I've only seen Tinordi play in the WJR - so I honestly take whatever is said by the "experts" on TSN.....They like McIlrath, and so do I.


#2002652 Who Do The Wings Draft in the First Round?

Posted by F.Michael on 22 June 2010 - 02:24 PM

Tinordi is a better skater, has more offensive upside, is equally as big, just doesn't drop the gloves nearly as much as Mcilrath. He's a great leader, had a great combine, and has the whole bloodline thing going for him.

Tinordi simply fits better in our system than Mcilrath would, and that's a fact. Everyone on here wants Mcilrath because he's a big meat head, stay at home defender/fighter, and that's something we've lacked for a long time (fighter part anyway).

Kenny also loves to draft college bound players, and Tinordi happens to be heading to Notre Dame. That gives him more time to develop before a qualifying offer needs to be made.

I wouldn't be the slightest bit upset if we ended up with Mcilrath, though I'd honestly prefer Tinordi.

Good points here...And you're right about Holland wanting skill with that size, and add to that the option of having the kid develope in college for a few extra years is what the Red Wings mgt prefer.


#2002644 Do Wings fans want another Yzerman?

Posted by F.Michael on 22 June 2010 - 02:16 PM

I'd rather we find another Lidstrom than another Yzerman...

Yzerman was the franchise, and Lidstrom was just a part of it.

Yzerman brought the team outta the dumps, and when Lidstrom arrived the team was already on it's upswing.

Not trying to disrespect Lids, but Stevie is da man :thumbup:


#2002620 Who Do The Wings Draft in the First Round?

Posted by F.Michael on 22 June 2010 - 01:46 PM

I dont get the McIlrath love here. The kid hardly has any offensive upside and if it wasnt for his fighting and toughness he would just be another no name guy going late in the draft. If we want another Lilja we can get one through free agency and not waste our first rounder on one.

Anyways, the Wings always draft for skill, not size or toughness. Getting McIlrath would be a long shot especially for the Wings organization. Bjugstad looks like the high skilled center that could really make an impact on this team, but who knows who we will pick. Almost every mock draft has us going for someone different, there is no medium. This draft should be very interesting nonetheless.

While I know little of this kid - he does sound as though he'll make his way into the NHL as a tough as nails stay at home type Dman...He won't be the kind of guy who'll be in highlite reels during the reg season, but when it comes time for the playoffs - he'll be the guy who'll run the opposing forwards into the boards, clear the crease of the opposition, and block shots while playing on the pk, and from time to time he'll beat the snot outta guys like Tootoo, and Cooke.

We could use some of that on our team; nothing against Ericsson, Kronwall, Stuart, or Kindl, but none of these guys bring that sort of nastiness.


#2002610 Holland Looking to sign an Enforcer

Posted by F.Michael on 22 June 2010 - 01:34 PM

The 1997 team was by far the toughest.

You had Shanny, Mac, Kocur, Lapointe had great upper body strength. Plus you had Vladdy who, even though he didn't fight all that much, was the kind of player that teams absolutely hated to play against.

I think a lot of us are begging for a team like that again.

I've said it 1,000 times plus already; I'd take that 1997 Cup team over our 2008 Cup winning team in a second.


#2002603 Who Do The Wings Draft in the First Round?

Posted by F.Michael on 22 June 2010 - 01:28 PM

Aren't the Ducks pushing for Kaberle ? thats what i heard

Some rumours have it that Leafs GM Burke would love to have Bobby Ryan heading to T.O. for a deal involving Kaberle (and probably a draft pick).

Mack Attack would know more about this than myself.


#2002591 Who Do The Wings Draft in the First Round?

Posted by F.Michael on 22 June 2010 - 01:16 PM

With Neidermayer retiring this afternoon, and the losses of Pronger, and Beauchemin - I wouldn't be too surprised if the Ducks draft a Dman with their 1st rounder, and that will probably be McIlrath.

Hope I'm wrong.


#2002582 Do Wings fans want another Yzerman?

Posted by F.Michael on 22 June 2010 - 01:09 PM

Well we currently have Lidstrom whom is kinda like a "Yzerman Jr".

Prior to Stevie there was Gordie Howe, but many years had passed between those 2 guys; lets hope there isn't a 30 plus year gap for another Yzerman/Howe/Lidstrom type.


#2002551 Holland Looking to sign an Enforcer

Posted by F.Michael on 22 June 2010 - 12:52 PM

Agreed... now that I think about it, he probably belongs on my 2nd tier below Konopka... just out of the FA's available, I like his game (when he's healthy)... I guess I should have been clearer that he wasn't any type of an enforcer, since that is what this thread is...

Up until a few short years ago he was coveted by a good number of teams for what he brought; big body, good hands, a very solid 2-way forward...With the injuries he's not where he was, but for the league minimum I wouldn't mind him getting a chance on the Red Wings.


#2002542 Nathan Horton traded to Boston

Posted by F.Michael on 22 June 2010 - 12:46 PM

Bet it involves Wheeler.


#2002540 Holland Looking to sign an Enforcer

Posted by F.Michael on 22 June 2010 - 12:44 PM

Modin? I didn't know this guy fights.

He doesn't, but he does go into the corners to dig out loose pucks.

Problems with Modin is his age (35 soon to be 36), and tendency to get injured (has missed the majority of the past 3 seasons)...I personally would rather the $$$ spent on someone else.