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#2537403 Datsyuk 2nd degree separated shoulder injury - out approx 4 weeks

Posted by F.Michael on 26 September 2014 - 04:41 PM

I don't think it was a dirty hit, but it would make me feel better if we had someone stand up for our guys.  Like how Hoggan did when Farnham ran Ouellet.  It's camaraderie when you know people have your back.  It might not prevent injuries or people running our guys, but it makes me feel better.  I don't even like watching the fights most of the time, I'm nervous as hell for the guys.  Even the other guy, most of the time.


It does infuriate the hell out of me when stuff like this happens and our guys are just standing around.




You cannot underestimate the camaraderie, and team bonding when a teammate steps up, and goes after an opponent when a questionable hit is delivered.


It was some time ago, but I recall Shanahan saying something along the lines of - 'I'd rather stand up for a teammate, and potentially take an additional 2 min instigator with the idea that my teammates will kill off the ensuing pp rather than to stand around, and do nothing'.

#2537297 Wings sign Defenseman Joe Hicketts to Entry Level Contract.

Posted by F.Michael on 25 September 2014 - 03:13 PM



I usually send out a press release.  But you LGW bozos are too busy reading about hockey to read them.  Hockey...the opiate of the masses.

Myself, and fellow 'knuckle draggers' only read the fight threads...Oh - and the 'funnies' as well on the back page.

#2537285 Wings sign Defenseman Joe Hicketts to Entry Level Contract.

Posted by F.Michael on 25 September 2014 - 01:58 PM


No I'm not serious.  I was making a joke about his growth potential.  He's only 5'8.  But if his dad and mom are both over 6', then maybe we'd have reason to be optimistic.  And LGW optimism is reason enough to invade the privacy of a couple of middle aged Canadians.  I made a funny.  Ugh.

With you being so serious most of the time - it's hard to tell when you're being silly.

#2537283 Datsyuk 2nd degree separated shoulder injury - out approx 4 weeks

Posted by F.Michael on 25 September 2014 - 01:41 PM

Let's be honest, the only reason people defend fighting is because they want to watch fights. There's no statistics on cheap shots that I'm aware of, but I suspect the frequency hasn't changed because of the instigator rule or the refs or anything like that. In fact, and this is just based on my own experience of watching hockey from the eighties on, I believe cheap shot have drastically declined.

If injuries are up, particularly ones like Datsyuk suffered, it's likely because the game is so much faster and the players so much stronger. The game is changing, because the players are getting better.

Fighting in my opinion is an just a useless distraction from the game that should be abandoned with other sport antiquities like segregated baseball teams.

Agree & disagree here...


I do enjoy watching a good scrap - especially if it's in the 'heat of the moment' where 2 opponents have been at each other for some time, and they want to get it off their chest so to speak...Another enjoyable moment is where a d-bag gets his lunch fed to him after he takes a cheap shot.


I'm honestly indifferent with the 'staged' fights...Those I can live without.


The NHLPA still want fighting to remain in the game, and in years past - many tuff guys felt their presence might have thwarted the possibility of their star players from getting roughed up (mind you there's no statistical data to back that up - just the words of former players).


If the league, and players assoc felt it was a distraction - then I'm pretty certain they'd ban fighting from the game at the NHL level...The truth is - many still enjoy the occasional scrap as evidenced when many patrons inside the arena stand when 2 or more players engage in fisticuffs.


To be honest - the older I get the more I'm indifferent (maybe because the Wings are the least likely team to get involved in any altercation on ice) - however I'd prefer a team with a few guys who can throw'em when needed instead of what we saw when Hank got his head rammed against the glass by Weber.

#2537265 Datsyuk 2nd degree separated shoulder injury - out approx 4 weeks

Posted by F.Michael on 25 September 2014 - 09:01 AM

Yes, and this is because the league will protect the dirty players. Scrap the instigator rule and leave the policing to the players. If a guy is willing to face the music after running a star then so be it, I agree there's no stopping them, but at least dont protect these clowns. Let there be another Lemieux beatdown. I bet more than a few players would think twice and even change their game. Frankly, it cannot get worse than the current state.



What bothers me most - the injured player may be on the IR for months, and yet the dirty player who delivered the hit sits out a handful of games.


Now - I know much of this also falls upon the NHLPA in regards to the length of suspensions, and the amount fined (it's all agreed upon within  the CBA so the NHL isn't entirely to blame for some of the punishment handed out).


Even though it may only reduce the number of cheap shots by a slight margin - there's nothing like a good old fashioned beat down on the likes of Claude Lemieux, or Ulf Sammuelsson.....Guys like Cooke, and Neal wouldn't have lasted very long if they played 20 years ago.

Cooke cheap shots someone, other team sends goon out, Cooke's team sends goon out, goons fight. How does that prevent cheap shots?

Well...Here's some food for thought...Goon goes after Cooke - challenges - if Cooke doesn't accept - goon sucker punches Cooke (or runs him hard into the boards with intent to do harm) - crowd goes nucking futs.


Went down this way on 3-27-97.

#2537222 Datsyuk 2nd degree separated shoulder injury - out approx 4 weeks

Posted by F.Michael on 24 September 2014 - 07:14 PM

Welcome to the new season. Let the games begin

Welcome to the "new" NHL. Thanks Bettman. Please get rid of the instigator rule. It won't solve much. But it will help more than you might think.

If anything - it might provide some form of entertainment.

#2537039 9/23 Exhibition GDT : Red Wings 1 at Blackhawks 2 (OT)

Posted by F.Michael on 23 September 2014 - 07:36 PM

For those with DirecTV - the game just might be aired on Comcast Chicago # 665-1 for those of us that do not live in the Detroit area.

Scratch that - as expected the FIBS are blocking it out.

#2536996 Datsyuk 2nd degree separated shoulder injury - out approx 4 weeks

Posted by F.Michael on 23 September 2014 - 01:26 PM

Ouch...Hitting that rounded glass at the end of the bench is like hitting a brick wall - no give.


Wouldn't be too surprised if Dats is out for a month plus...Hopefully he'll be 100% when he does return since he'll only sit out alot more if he re-injures his shoulder.

#2536545 Flames adding Truculence...Yonkman, Gillies PTO

Posted by F.Michael on 18 September 2014 - 08:32 PM

With all this tuffness in the Flames lineup - it's certain Hudler will finally become the 40 goal scorer he was destined to become!

#2536476 Mantha's Injury

Posted by F.Michael on 17 September 2014 - 11:33 PM


Yeah an enforcer would have pounded that rut right out of the ice and Mantha would be fine.


You can always count on an enforcer to make sure the ice is at its highest quality.

Nah...All the enforcer would need to do is stare it down...And then say - 'ya wanna go'?


Rut would then slowly melt away - as if it never existed.....Never underestimate the capabilities of a tuff guy, and what they can bring onto the ice.

#2536438 A Perfect fit for the Bruins...Ville Leino?

Posted by F.Michael on 17 September 2014 - 01:59 PM


I know.  Which is why Loui Eriksson has been kicking so much ass for the Bruins.  Guy's a monster.

David Krejci's is gonna spend some of that $$$ with that new contract on his tougher teammates (dinner - drinks - lap dances)...It's the least he can do.

#2536437 Mantha's Injury

Posted by F.Michael on 17 September 2014 - 01:52 PM

Now if the Wings dressed some enforcers for that game.....That knee injury would've never happened.

#2536383 Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

Posted by F.Michael on 16 September 2014 - 08:50 PM

First glance, it seemed like a bit of an underpayment to me, but when you look at the cap comparable players it makes sense. Luca Sbisa, T.J. Brodie, Chris Tanev, Dmitry Orlov... all guys are 23-24 and have that possible upside. Not necessarily the same situations, but similar age and arguably, potential. It's a good deal.



This deal is good for botrh sides; DD is getting a significant pay raise, and a wonderful opportunity to prove to the Wings what he's capable of these next 2 seasons (which will give him a great chance at negotiating a more lucrative contract while still in his 'prime'), and for Holland he's still got room under the cap to sign Alfie.

#2536310 Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

Posted by F.Michael on 16 September 2014 - 02:17 PM

It was definitely a small sample size with Dekeyser, but I think him being 24 years old and playing 4 years in college helps with that. He's not some 19 year old kid.  I also think his performance last season is being understated a bit.  It's in great part due to Ericsson's injury but Dekeyser was arguably the 2nd most important defenseman on the team.



Among Wings d-men:


23 points, only 5 of which came on the PP.  (2nd only to Kronwall's 49, 25 of which were on the PP)

21:38 minutes a game (2nd only to Kronwall's 24:18)

averaged 2:13 per game on the PK and 1:34 on the PP

+10 (tops among Wings defenseman)

30 PIMs (lower than everyone but Kindl, who plays significantly fewer minutes)



It is only 81 games total in the NHL, but he was thrown in the deep end as a rookie and handled himself admirably (think Kindl or Smith for examples of how else it could've gone). He played big minutes and played all roles on the ice.   The question is obviously how much will he improve, but I'd be surprised if he took any steps backwards. 

A bit off topic...


DD didn't get to spend any time with Lids - unlike Ericsson, and Kronwall - he was thrown in full speed ahead, and didn't look outta place one bit.


IMHO - he's our 2nd best Dman, and with Ericsson questionable...Well - Holland better get this kid signed.

#2536306 Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

Posted by F.Michael on 16 September 2014 - 01:41 PM


Exactly, this off season has been the worst in almost 2 decades if Danny has to sit out now and god forbid miss training camp, the defense will take a huge hit.

To add - Ericsson not being 100% (finger not healed, and not in top condition) worries me.