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#2308707 High End Trade Options

Posted by F.Michael on 22 June 2012 - 10:40 AM

The thing is, if we trade fil for a winger, we need to find another future top 2 centre to replace him (maybe Jarnkrok). It would make sense to replace Franzen (winger) with Ryan (winger) and then we add to make it even. Would cost a lot more than franzen though.

Well - I'm thinking Dats as the #1 center, Hank as our #2, and Helm at #3...Yes - in 2, or 3 years there may be some issues with a top 2 centerman, but that's a bridge Holland would have to cross when he got to it if he were to move Flip for Ryan.

ryan for filppula isnt even close.

4 years scoring 30 goals is quite an accomplishment to say the least... and at 25 years old? get real people... flip is a solid 2nd liner... ryan is a bonafide 1st line sniper.

Agreed...Ryan would make us forget all about Flip...Kinda like how we didn't miss Schneider when Holland signed Rafalski.

#2307575 Winter Classic Prices Announced

Posted by F.Michael on 15 June 2012 - 05:26 PM

I have never been more upset with the Red Wings than right now.

They have completely sold out the average fan on this event to make as much money as possible by making it nothing more than marketing for season tickets. I understand the tickets being pricey, and I think that is fine and okay... but if you make them so limited with thef****** stub hub s*** then you are putting the tickets out of reach of the fans. At least with a public sale you are going to get some actual fans to get their hands on tickets.

I would love to go to this event, but the average ticket price would use up 10% of my savings because the economy sucks and I have college debt.

I would have rather they sold the tickets directly to the Detroit fans at three times the cost and that way the scalpers wouldn't be able to invest as much.

Honestly, they want me to drop 800 bucks down for season tickets so I can drop another 150 down on these... Can't I just give you 800 for the tickets and call it even?

I know for a fact I would never give that to a scalper. I did it once for the Pistons championship game and it remains one of the biggest regrets ever.

Lets not kid ourselves; Mike Ilitch, and his beloved Detroit Red Wings are great at making a profit for themselves; this fleecing of Toronto Maple Leaf fans - aka - the Winter Classic - is a prime example of such.

I'm of the opinion Mike Ilitch could care less as to who shows up wearing whatever color of sweater - just that they pay full price for the ticket.

#2307570 Winter Classic Prices Announced

Posted by F.Michael on 15 June 2012 - 04:40 PM

Don't get me wrong, I have a nice job and I want to go. But the cost of the seats are ludicrous. Especially for a nice seat where you can see the puck and where it doesn't look like a bunch of ants on a rink from the nosebleed seats. $200 per ticket? No thanks. 2 hour drive for me? No thanks. Watching for free in HDTV quality? No problem!

Oh I hear ya - I too have the $$$ - just that I don't wish to spend it...This upcoming November sees the return of F1 to the USA with the event taking place in Austin, TX...I can afford that as well, but don't feel like shelling out roughly $1000, or more (3 day ticket, airfare, hotel, etc etc).

The older I'm getting the less likely it is of seeing me at these events that specialise in gouging the fan base...My comfy sofa, and hdtv will do just fine for both events.

#2306452 Red Wings Prepared to Offer Hudler Contract

Posted by F.Michael on 10 June 2012 - 09:29 PM

If the Wings sign Hudler I will completely have lost all faith in Ken Holland.

Pretty much how I feel.

I don't dislike Hudler, but IMHO Hudler needs Detroit more than Detroit needs Hudler...Better off spending that $$$ on someone else.

#2303922 Nick Lidstrom retires after 20 seasons

Posted by F.Michael on 30 May 2012 - 04:35 PM

John Buccigross from twitter: "And when Nick senses a big moment, he turns into Kobe Bryant without the trash talk and the false bravado. He is a silent assassin. He stalks, he sees, he pounces. He is one of the best of all time at that. There has never been anyone like him."

Sad to see you go Nick, but s*** you were a great player

Why in the world would Buccigross use a comparison Nick Lidstrom with that ****** that goes by the name Kobe Bryant?

Oh wait - he works for ESPN...Nevermind.

#2303329 Excellent 'Parise and Suter to Detroit' article

Posted by F.Michael on 26 May 2012 - 06:19 AM

Got a good chuckle at the bottom of the page with all the reader comments; surprisingly many sound as optimistic as centcougar07, Richdg, and myself :rolleyes:

#2303306 Who's going to make it big if anyone?

Posted by F.Michael on 25 May 2012 - 11:23 PM

When you say "elite", I think of star players, as in Datsyuk or Zetterberg.

Based on that, the safe answer is none.


Many here may have forgotten that back in 2002 - Hull was praising Datsyuk for his high level of skill, and Zetterberg was by far the best player that wasn't in the NHL (he even made the Swedish Olympic team).

I'll be the 1st to admit that I'm not the most informed when it comes to Red Wing prospects, but from what I've seen/read - there's not alot of high-end talent coming up...I really do hope I'm wrong.

The prospect game is one of the biggest traps fans fall into. Every teams site has the same thing going on. these 5, 10, 15 whatever players are going to be great in a few years. maybe 1 out of 10 every turns into anything. There are towns in the northern part of the US and in canada, where just about every man played junior hockey, yet none make it to the NHL. You have to remember, Juniors is for 17, 18, and 19 year old KIDS! High school age players. Even moving up to the AHL is a major step.

If we return to the days on building only through the draft, we will become the Dead Wings once again. Then after 3-6 years of drafting the top talent we can move back up. I don't ever want to see that type of hockey from the Wings again! I still have nightmares from the late 70's and early 80's....... 20 win seasons........ YUCK!


And to think the Oilers with all their top picks may become a top-end team for several years while our beloved Red Wings slowly slide down the ranks...Retro 80's anyone?

#2302640 The truth of our decline.

Posted by F.Michael on 22 May 2012 - 03:08 PM

If only more Wings fans could be like you.

You can toss me in with Richdg, and centcougar07...Many here are in for a rude awakening.

#2301725 Chances of landing Parise?

Posted by F.Michael on 17 May 2012 - 12:50 AM

The thing is he will get offered insanely high contracts by teams that need to do so. And as you said yourself, we're not the only contenders. In 2-3 years we might not even be that if Holland can't flip the age factor while keeping the talent and production relatively linear. Which would be impressive and awe inspiring if you ask me. It also doesn't help that we haven't done much of anything in the playoffs recently despite getting there against beatable teams. I would have more confidence if I thought Detroit was still THE place to be when it came to FA's. I think they look now and see a team declining unfortunately.


#2299732 What's Kenny Holland's Offseason Plan?

Posted by F.Michael on 07 May 2012 - 01:37 AM

Also, no way Parise and Suter command that much in free agency.


Did anyone predict Ericsson's payday last summer?

#2299731 The new guys thoughts.....

Posted by F.Michael on 07 May 2012 - 01:30 AM

Wow - looks like someone else shares my views on the future of the Red Wings.

#2299100 What's Kenny Holland's Offseason Plan?

Posted by F.Michael on 04 May 2012 - 12:11 AM

You're really struggling with the concept of term. Players are willing to take smaller cap hit contracts that are front-loaded and long term. I'm surprised this is news to you...

Well - the reality is that these 6 plus year front-loaded deals may become extinct with the next CBA - however the last time I checked July 1st comes before September 15th so there may be some "wiggle room", and grandfather clauses.

My concern is that both Suter, and Parise see Detroit as a team in decline, and opt for a team with whom they feel has a greater number of players in their prime, and not in their twilight.

#2298900 What's REALLY going to happen this off-season?

Posted by F.Michael on 03 May 2012 - 10:01 AM

No, you aren't expecting anything this summer based on what you posted. And that right there is silly.

Silly?..How so?

#2298886 What's Kenny Holland's Offseason Plan?

Posted by F.Michael on 03 May 2012 - 08:53 AM

Adding one single top 6 forward is not suddenly going to make us a cup team. With all do respect, that's just absurd.

I'm not pessimistic, I'm realistic. It's not like I don't want the Wings to win now but the reality is this: Declining on ice product/aging core of players + average prospect pool = time to rebuild soon. That's how it works in every pro sport. At least some variation of it.

Agreed - although I'm both a pessimist, and a realist :lol:

One player isn't gonna add that much - it'll take a handful IMO...There's not many players under the age of 25 on this roster, or in GR that'll carry this team the way Nick/Dats/Hank has; those 3 are what we have left of any semblance of what was once a "powerhouse" in the NHL, and 2 of those 3 aren't what they were just a few years ago.

At the time I was pleased when Holland inked Bert for 2 more seasons; now after further review it wasn't such a great move - unless of course ya like his antics of taking his toys away from those nasty Preds...What alot of good that did.

#2298793 What's Kenny Holland's Offseason Plan?

Posted by F.Michael on 02 May 2012 - 07:04 PM

Yeah I can't possibly see him settling for so little. Especially because your opinion and my opinion of the roster are different. You see a killer roster, a see a roster that will have to claw to make the playoffs next year let alone contend for a cup. We just have too many old players and a lack of stellar NHL ready prospects with which to replace them like we did last time around. We still have a couple years of possible contention but in 2-3 years we're going to drop out of contention and we're going to have to rebuild through the draft.


I gotta be honest here...The Wings have been on a steady decline these past few years...UFA's will take notice, and for some - the grass may look alot greener elsewhere.