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#2538893 Krys Barch unloads his frustrations

Posted by F.Michael on 07 October 2014 - 04:44 PM

TSN just posted a radio segment discussing the diminishing role of the enforcer.

 

They point to analytics and then fail to reasonably connect the two in any way.

What I want from my 3rd/4th lines...

 

Dump the puck in deep...Nail the opposing Dmen, and create those 'dirty' chances down low...Crash the net - give the opposing netminder nightmares...Intimidate the opposition with physical play, and create space.

 

I'm not asking for players who drop the gloves at every chance they get, but only if it's called for - then so be it - as long as it's not just for show, or a staged fight...That I can do without.




#2538876 Krys Barch unloads his frustrations

Posted by F.Michael on 07 October 2014 - 04:26 PM

 

Oh, enforcers are better at some other part of the game than our fourth line?  What's that?  Fighting? 

 

Well that doesn't sound like circular logic at all does it?  We should sign a fighter because they're better at fighting than non-fighters.  Smart. 

 

Unless you weren't talking about fighting.  Which part of the game are enforcers better at again?  Taking penalties?

 

If the mass waiving of goons like Orr and McLaren this offseason wasn't already an indication that having enforcers no your roster is retarded, wait until the end of the season and see how Calgary did with their enforcer fourth line.  We already know it will give Krys Barch a boner, but outside of that I suspect that the team will stink and the line itself will be putrid statistically. 

 

But here's the kicker.  That's what Burke wants.  He want a s***ty team so he can draft McDavid.  And while his team is s***ty, he'd like to sell some tickets, so he goons it up.  This isn't a strategy to be a good team.  It's a marketing ploy to be a bad team but still excite dummies like Krys Barch.  Apparently it worked. 

There are plenty of players in the league who can contribute on any teams' 4th line that aren't strictly 'goons', or 'enforcers'...We had one last season in Tootoo.

 

Babcock has a standard, and if it's apparent that the player doesn't meet it - he won't play, but yet it does not mean he's useless by other teams' standards.

 

This was my point from the get go - however you wish to turn it into a 'enforcer' debate.




#2538868 Krys Barch unloads his frustrations

Posted by F.Michael on 07 October 2014 - 04:11 PM

 

But that's kind of exactly what it's about.  They kill penalties and absorb some tough minutes so Datsyuk and Zetterberg don't have to.


While guys like Orr and to a lesser extent Tootoo would be a liability in those circumstances.

It's all a moot point anyway...No way in hell does Babcock dress anyone of the likes of a Tootoo, or an Orr.


 

So being worse is preferable?  It seems like you're arguing that because we weren't great at something last year, we shouldn't care about it, and make it even worse by adding a fighter.  Smart. 

Is that what I said?

 

PK is only a part of the game...4th liners take to ice outside of that...Try not putting words in my mouth.




#2538866 Krys Barch unloads his frustrations

Posted by F.Michael on 07 October 2014 - 04:07 PM

I'm sure Drew Miller would prefer to play against Krys Barch 82 games a year too.  Who wouldn't want to line up across from a guy who can barely skate and only has a rudimentary understanding of how to actually play the game of hockey? 


 

Glendening and Andersson?  Yes, yes they do. 

Well - being 12th in the league while on the pk is respectable...I'll give you that.




#2538864 Krys Barch unloads his frustrations

Posted by F.Michael on 07 October 2014 - 04:01 PM

 

Yeah because our fourth line is so good at well....nothing ?

Yeah - pretty much - other than biding time until our top line catches their breath.




#2538851 Krys Barch unloads his frustrations

Posted by F.Michael on 07 October 2014 - 03:47 PM

In all honesty I would rather play against Drew Miller 82 games a year vs Colton Orr or Jordan Toottoo.




#2538764 Blast from the Past

Posted by F.Michael on 07 October 2014 - 01:15 PM

Nice!!!!

 

A part of me wishes that NHL contracts still look like that.

 

Looks like there's some other cool old stuff in the bag in the first picture too.

Yeah - we'd have no cap issues if the players had 1972 salaries :lol:




#2538160 Question about song

Posted by F.Michael on 03 October 2014 - 02:11 PM

Thank you kind sir... you truly saved my day! I would have sat here trying every method possible to figure it out I knew it sounded familiar! 

You're welcome.

 

See forum members - we enforcer junkies/knuckle draggers do serve a purpose...We're team players.




#2538158 Question about song

Posted by F.Michael on 03 October 2014 - 02:05 PM

It's the Red Wings intro from a few years back...

 

 

 

More specifically - it's a tune from the movie which starred Clint Eastwood 'The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly' - it's called Ecstasy of Gold...

 




#2538151 Holland interview with Mickey comment about a trade

Posted by F.Michael on 03 October 2014 - 01:32 PM

The Wings just need to go with this on the back end. Keep one of Kindl/Lashoff as the 7th D man, and promote either Ouellet or Jensen. Try and trade (or at worst, waive) Kindl/Lashoff and just get on with it already. 

Agreed.

 

If there's no trade to be made in order to improve our defense - then I'd prefer to see some of our youth from GR be used instead of Kindl/Lashoff...It's about time we see what these guys are capable of.




#2537403 Datsyuk 2nd degree separated shoulder injury - out approx 4 weeks

Posted by F.Michael on 26 September 2014 - 04:41 PM



I don't think it was a dirty hit, but it would make me feel better if we had someone stand up for our guys.  Like how Hoggan did when Farnham ran Ouellet.  It's camaraderie when you know people have your back.  It might not prevent injuries or people running our guys, but it makes me feel better.  I don't even like watching the fights most of the time, I'm nervous as hell for the guys.  Even the other guy, most of the time.

 

It does infuriate the hell out of me when stuff like this happens and our guys are just standing around.

 

Agreed.

 

You cannot underestimate the camaraderie, and team bonding when a teammate steps up, and goes after an opponent when a questionable hit is delivered.

 

It was some time ago, but I recall Shanahan saying something along the lines of - 'I'd rather stand up for a teammate, and potentially take an additional 2 min instigator with the idea that my teammates will kill off the ensuing pp rather than to stand around, and do nothing'.




#2537297 Wings sign Defenseman Joe Hicketts to Entry Level Contract.

Posted by F.Michael on 25 September 2014 - 03:13 PM

 

 

I usually send out a press release.  But you LGW bozos are too busy reading about hockey to read them.  Hockey...the opiate of the masses.

Myself, and fellow 'knuckle draggers' only read the fight threads...Oh - and the 'funnies' as well on the back page.




#2537285 Wings sign Defenseman Joe Hicketts to Entry Level Contract.

Posted by F.Michael on 25 September 2014 - 01:58 PM

 

No I'm not serious.  I was making a joke about his growth potential.  He's only 5'8.  But if his dad and mom are both over 6', then maybe we'd have reason to be optimistic.  And LGW optimism is reason enough to invade the privacy of a couple of middle aged Canadians.  I made a funny.  Ugh.

With you being so serious most of the time - it's hard to tell when you're being silly.




#2537283 Datsyuk 2nd degree separated shoulder injury - out approx 4 weeks

Posted by F.Michael on 25 September 2014 - 01:41 PM

Let's be honest, the only reason people defend fighting is because they want to watch fights. There's no statistics on cheap shots that I'm aware of, but I suspect the frequency hasn't changed because of the instigator rule or the refs or anything like that. In fact, and this is just based on my own experience of watching hockey from the eighties on, I believe cheap shot have drastically declined.

If injuries are up, particularly ones like Datsyuk suffered, it's likely because the game is so much faster and the players so much stronger. The game is changing, because the players are getting better.

Fighting in my opinion is an just a useless distraction from the game that should be abandoned with other sport antiquities like segregated baseball teams.

Agree & disagree here...

 

I do enjoy watching a good scrap - especially if it's in the 'heat of the moment' where 2 opponents have been at each other for some time, and they want to get it off their chest so to speak...Another enjoyable moment is where a d-bag gets his lunch fed to him after he takes a cheap shot.

 

I'm honestly indifferent with the 'staged' fights...Those I can live without.

 

The NHLPA still want fighting to remain in the game, and in years past - many tuff guys felt their presence might have thwarted the possibility of their star players from getting roughed up (mind you there's no statistical data to back that up - just the words of former players).

 

If the league, and players assoc felt it was a distraction - then I'm pretty certain they'd ban fighting from the game at the NHL level...The truth is - many still enjoy the occasional scrap as evidenced when many patrons inside the arena stand when 2 or more players engage in fisticuffs.

 

To be honest - the older I get the more I'm indifferent (maybe because the Wings are the least likely team to get involved in any altercation on ice) - however I'd prefer a team with a few guys who can throw'em when needed instead of what we saw when Hank got his head rammed against the glass by Weber.




#2537265 Datsyuk 2nd degree separated shoulder injury - out approx 4 weeks

Posted by F.Michael on 25 September 2014 - 09:01 AM

Yes, and this is because the league will protect the dirty players. Scrap the instigator rule and leave the policing to the players. If a guy is willing to face the music after running a star then so be it, I agree there's no stopping them, but at least dont protect these clowns. Let there be another Lemieux beatdown. I bet more than a few players would think twice and even change their game. Frankly, it cannot get worse than the current state.

Agreed.

 

What bothers me most - the injured player may be on the IR for months, and yet the dirty player who delivered the hit sits out a handful of games.

 

Now - I know much of this also falls upon the NHLPA in regards to the length of suspensions, and the amount fined (it's all agreed upon within  the CBA so the NHL isn't entirely to blame for some of the punishment handed out).

 

Even though it may only reduce the number of cheap shots by a slight margin - there's nothing like a good old fashioned beat down on the likes of Claude Lemieux, or Ulf Sammuelsson.....Guys like Cooke, and Neal wouldn't have lasted very long if they played 20 years ago.


Cooke cheap shots someone, other team sends goon out, Cooke's team sends goon out, goons fight. How does that prevent cheap shots?

Well...Here's some food for thought...Goon goes after Cooke - challenges - if Cooke doesn't accept - goon sucker punches Cooke (or runs him hard into the boards with intent to do harm) - crowd goes nucking futs.

 

Went down this way on 3-27-97.