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#2529748 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by VM1138 on 03 July 2014 - 12:43 PM

Kronwall Smith Kindl and most of the prospects ate puck movers. Pulk has little trade value because of his size speed and how he'd be viewed league wide. Tatar put up more points Datsyuk was still better his rookie year. Offer sheets are a waste of time.

 

 

As kip said: Who in their right mind is paying future top six forwards for broken down offensive defensemen? I'd take Green at a very low price-point because at this point WASH has got to be looking at that $6million cap-hit and thinking.  "Hmmm. How do I free up some cash to bolster my forward corps? Oh, I'll get rid of Mike Green for a pick and I can do whatever I'd like!!"

 

Nobody's offer sheeting Subban.

We're certainly not.  Even if we did MTL would immediately match whatever offer we made to Subban. 

They've got more cap space than we do to sign the guy. 

If you want to offer sheet any team at this point it should be Boston.  They're going to have a hard time getting all their RFAs re-signed.  Especially if someone was to jam up the works with an offer-sheet.

 

Franson wouldn't be bad, but we'd somehow have to rid ourselves of Kindl and/or Quincey for that to happen. I'm doubting Toronto wants either of them seeing how they each have a higher cap hit than Cody.

 

 

 

Tatar just had a better rookie season than Datsyuk did, on a much worse team.  I'm not sure what else he's got to prove for you to think he's a future top six player. 

 

As far as your asking price for Green.  I don't think Washington would even ask that with a straight face.  Holland's the king of making moves from a position of weakness, but even then, he's insane.  He gave a prospect and a pic for a top six center in Legwand and that was universally considered an overpayment.  Asking for a future top six forward in return for a guy on an expiring contract, who isn't a first pair defender, isn't happening.  I can't think of even a single example. 

 

 

You guys don't actually think Tatar is Datsyuk level just because he had a "better" rookie season, do you?  Let's be realistic (and I'm one of the biggest Tatar boosters here).  His aggression doesn't always overcome his small stature, he's easily kept out of the prime scoring areas, and once the league figured him out his offense disappeared.  He's not great defensively and has a bit of an attitude that all spells "Babcock's Doghouse."  If he's just going to be misused and abused like Hudler was, we might as well trade him to get some value.  I'm not a big fan of Green's so I'm not specifically pushing for that trade.  But Tatar is the most likely to move, I think, and has the most value to another team without hurting us too badly.  Nyquist is fast, dynamic and creative. Jurco will hopefully be a big bodied power forward type, which are rare.  Pulkinnen is a one-trick pony at this point and I doubt he has much value.  We can't really part with any of our d-prospects unless we had to.

 

That's how I got the point of suggesting Tatar in a trade.  Unless he somehow changes his game, he's going to be a tweener like Filppula and Hudler were.  He might get top 6 playing time but I'm not sure how dynamic he'll be there now that the league has him figured out.  If any of Tatar, Nyquist, or Jurco don't become a top six player, it's likeliest to be Tatar, I think.




#2529623 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by VM1138 on 02 July 2014 - 08:21 PM

He did not cost the team double digit games single handedly.

 

Yeah, someone did the statwork last season.  There were direct giveaway goals from Quincey in something like 15 games that were decided by a goal or so.  I'd say that's single-handedly.  He was remarkably consistent in his ability to be the last guy to touch a puck before being scored on.




#2529549 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by VM1138 on 02 July 2014 - 03:52 PM

Cody Franson and others...All I can say at least stay pat and don't make a bad situation worse. It is what it is and maybe if we finally miss the playoffs things are going to change..


We aren't going to miss playoffs. We will have Nyquist for a full season. No Olympics. Healthiest Z in years. We will finally make playoffs easily again.

I mean, even if the team stayed the same it would do better without so many crazy injuries.

Our defense and disappearing offense will kill us in the first round again, though.

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#2529296 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by VM1138 on 02 July 2014 - 06:04 AM

So now that Quincey has made a defenseman acquisition very unlikely, does Holland push hard for a scoring forward?  The price will likely be lower than for a defenseman.  Our offense is decent, but without a puck moving defenseman to help improve it, maybe we do need another scorer up front to help us escape the first round of the playoffs.  It wouldn't make us a Cup team, but we could make playoffs easier and maybe steal a round or two, which would make us look more attractive to a future d-man.  It'd be more obvious that said d-man would be the final piece to the puzzle.

 

I don't think there are any real options on the UFA market, so maybe Holland should look to trade for a winger.  Anyone else agree?




#2529211 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by VM1138 on 01 July 2014 - 09:55 PM

 

I think a lot of people realize how terrible this Quincey signing is, but I don't think as many has a grasp of how much it means in the big picture. It's just utterly horrendous. Even if they guy wasn't as bad as he is, it's just a such a terrible thing to go and do with our image already in the toilet. You do nothing and you can at least go on trying to minimize what happened today, but signing Quincey to that deal was a grand acknowledgement of the fact that this off-season is already an epic disaster for the Detroit Red Wings.

 

Their whole reaction has made the Red Wings' image suffer.  Holland coming out and admitting he is baffled, the signing of Quincey, the big public spectacle about everyone rejecting the Wings, it does some serious damage long-term.  We can't build a successful team only through the draft.  Sooner or later we'll have to make a trade to supplement.  But I guess it's set in stone, the team's goal is to "wait and see" by struggling for a few more years and hope enough of our prospects all turn into all-stars.




#2529197 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by VM1138 on 01 July 2014 - 09:44 PM

"My first priority was to be on a good team."  -Ehrhoff.

 

Holy crap.  Just humiliating.

 

That article also takes a dig at the Wings not being able to buy their team.  That pisses me off.  That wasn't even really the case in the pre-cap era. We spent a lot, but we got the right players. 

 

I'm thinking it's Babcock.  Almost every player suffers individually under his reign, and that lowers their future value.  Case in point: no one really wants any of our players except for Nyquist, Jurco or maybe Tatar.  So coming to Detroit could actually be bad for their careers.  He just doesn't seem to utilize some players where they would be strongest (Smith, Cleary, Quincey, Kindl, etc.)




#2529194 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by VM1138 on 01 July 2014 - 09:41 PM

I think it wasnt being stagnant, it was because NO ONE wanted to sign here. Holland probably got scared and did something to do something because he's lost.

 

He gave up. I can see the "lack of drive" argument.  He could've waited all summer to find a deal somewhere else.  Maybe Europe?  Instead, he signed our worst defensemen who actually cost us at least 16 games last season, gave him a raise, and closed up a roster spot.  So basically...we're done on defense.  A kid needs to get a chance.  Maybe we add someone like Vrbata, but we're basically done up front, too.

 

So on day one of free agency...Holland has already given up.  Sure, we discarded some chaff, but not enough, and we didn't actually get any better.  We can only hope we're good enough to get a higher seed in the playoffs and maybe get a more favorable matchup until we run into a team like the Bruins who are built to beat our team.




#2529165 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by VM1138 on 01 July 2014 - 09:00 PM

This is bad, guys. Quincey actually makes the team worse than if he weren't on it. Going with all kids would have been bad, but not like this. Almost any of the UFA players could have been at least a slight improvement. Did none if them want to come here either? This is a humiliating day for the franchise. Rejected by everyone even with fair offers, only to panic and sign a bad player for too Mich money instead of giving someone else a chance. Sent from my ADR6350 using Tapatalk 2


#2528731 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by VM1138 on 01 July 2014 - 04:53 PM

At least Holland tried. He can't help it if a player takes less money elsewhere. There's definitely something rotten in the Wings. The last year has really been embarrassing, a sensation I'm not used to as a Wings fan since the mid-nineties. Sent from my ADR6350 using Tapatalk 2


#2528689 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by VM1138 on 01 July 2014 - 04:30 PM

I feel like the kid who really wanted Transformers for Christmas, but whose grandma bought Transmorphers instead. Sent from my ADR6350 using Tapatalk 2


#2527592 UFA day looking up

Posted by VM1138 on 01 July 2014 - 09:46 AM

I still don't get why people are so nervous about Niskanen. Sure he played with Crosby and Malkin. But here he'd be feeding Datsyuk, Franzen and Zetterberg (who may have a career year now that he is healthy). And maybe playing with Kronwall, one of the better offensive d-men in the league. If there's any player you take a risk on, its a steadily improving guy entering his prime years. Not a guy who was discarded by a good team for being half the player he once was (Boyle). Boyle reminds me of a depth signing, like Colaiacovo. Only it sounds like we want to pay him way more. Sure, short term is nice, but what if our young guys plateau below their potential and Niskanen continues to improve? We will have missed out on that chance and will go through the whole overpay thing in two or three years. I'm not sold on the kids being prime level contributors in two years. Sent from my ADR6350 using Tapatalk 2


#2527374 UFA day looking up

Posted by VM1138 on 30 June 2014 - 07:53 PM


 
To be fair, none of our scorers played enough games to get over 50.  If you look on their pace, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Alfredsson, Franzen, etc. all would have cleared 50 easy.


 
Better get used to it.  Those guys aren't going to get any healthier as their careers go on. 


Actually Z will be healthier than in year this season. And with more talent Datsyuk to share the load Datsyuk hopefully won't be hurt as much.

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#2527327 UFA day looking up

Posted by VM1138 on 30 June 2014 - 06:19 PM

 

Also, Boyle didn't have an "off" year.  He's numbers are declining because he's old and losing his effectiveness.  If anything, they're probably artificially high considering his team is WAY better offensively than ours is.  If you think he's going to have some kind of a bounce back year on a team who didn't have a single 50 pt. player last year, I don't know what to tell you.  Joe Pavelski had almost as many goals as our points leader had points.  That's why Boyle's numbers were decent there, and that's why they'll suck here.

 

To be fair, none of our scorers played enough games to get over 50.  If you look on their pace, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Alfredsson, Franzen, etc. all would have cleared 50 easy.




#2527126 BUF to buy out Christian Ehrhoff

Posted by VM1138 on 30 June 2014 - 09:30 AM

I guess I just don't underestimate Bowman anymore. Every year we think there will be cap trouble, and they respond by letting low or mid tier players go and replace them with cheaper guys. Kane and Toews asked for 12 with no intention of getting 12. They are just raising the ceiling for superstars. They'll get around 10. Sent from my ADR6350 using Tapatalk 2
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#2527110 BUF to buy out Christian Ehrhoff

Posted by VM1138 on 30 June 2014 - 05:39 AM

Funny how some fans  are worried about Buffalos capfloor now, two words: Patrick-Kane Maximum... playing in front of family...I can see it


There's no way Kane ever leaves Chicago. Not until he is 38. He's central to their core.

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