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#2527110 BUF to buy out Christian Ehrhoff

Posted by VM1138 on 30 June 2014 - 05:39 AM

Funny how some fans  are worried about Buffalos capfloor now, two words: Patrick-Kane Maximum... playing in front of family...I can see it

There's no way Kane ever leaves Chicago. Not until he is 38. He's central to their core.

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#2527109 Myers close to become a wing?

Posted by VM1138 on 30 June 2014 - 05:38 AM

No way this is true. No one would pay that much for Myers. Myers is a project. Never lived up to potential and has struggled mightily to be even a decent defenseman. There are much better options. Sent from my ADR6350 using Tapatalk 2

#2526610 NHL Draft 2014: Rounds 2-7 **MOD WARNING POST 51**

Posted by VM1138 on 28 June 2014 - 12:13 PM

Most teams don't get better by trading in the draft.  That's what free agency is for.  I don't know anything about these kids Holland drafted but they replenish our center prospects.  Holland can't magically make this a better draft, and everyone seems pretty high on Larkin.  Draft day is the worst day to complain, because no one has any idea how these kids will pan out in 5 years.  But drafting three centers helps increase the chances that one of them turns out to be good.

#2526536 Alfie informs Wings he wants to return

Posted by VM1138 on 28 June 2014 - 10:31 AM

Also, what if we re-signed Alfie right this minute, and he comes to camp and then he realises he can't play anymore because his back has given out? What a waste of time right? The Wings didn't sign anyone else because they thought Alfie would be the guy, so Iginla waddles of elsewhere and we're left empty handed.

This exactly.  Either way we lose out on signing a better player longer term to help the team while Alfie sees if he can play with our without Geritol.  We've basically handcuffed ourselves waiting for him.

I think blaming holland / babs for hypothetical situations that you made up in your head could be classified as insanity as well

It's not hypothetical, we wait until training cap to see if he can play, a large chunk of what's left in salary cap is tied up with Alfie playing / not playing.  Which means we won't see any big signings... at all, because the Wings are in a wait and see hold patter.  Rather then go and make the team better, now.

Except that Alfie is a bonus. They're not saving room or waiting for him at all. They explicitly said they'll wait til they see if he can play before making a decision about him. This literally has no negative angle. They'll sign whoever they want and fit him in later.

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#2526213 Wings to have face to face with Matt Niskanen

Posted by VM1138 on 27 June 2014 - 03:52 PM

I understand the concern to a point, but Niskanen wasn't a Cheechoo. He was a very good defenseman for years, who has been improving each year, and had a breakout season. It's not like he came out of nowhere. He is the age where defensemen usually break out. If there was any player and age to take a risk, it's Niskanen. Sent from my ADR6350 using Tapatalk 2

#2525931 Wings to have face to face with Matt Niskanen

Posted by VM1138 on 26 June 2014 - 06:04 PM

With these long-term contracts, a GM can't worry about not paying someone more than your captain, for instance.  Everyone panicked about Ericsson and Kronwall's prices, and now Kronwall is an absolute steal.  I'm sure if we landed Niskanen for 5.5 or 6 we'll all be worried, but if he remains consistent in three years it'll be a steal, too.  Remember, when the cap goes up, salaries go up for new free agents, too.

#2525903 Wings to have face to face with Matt Niskanen

Posted by VM1138 on 26 June 2014 - 03:59 PM

I'm sure they've already talked tentatively about cost/term, etc.  Nisknanen's agent isn't going to waste his time.  Whatever Holland offered they'e at least considering, which means it isn't absurdly off the mark.

#2525898 Wings to have face to face with Matt Niskanen

Posted by VM1138 on 26 June 2014 - 03:49 PM

IMO, Niskanen is a product of Pens "all offense no defence" system. We will get another Quincey..

I don't know much about Niskanen but I do know we need an offensive defenseman more than anything else. Quincey was not. He was just a middling suckhole. We need Niskanen to generate offense. Not be the ultimate defender. We are already stacked with defensive guys. Sooner or later we need to control the puck, move it and help set up the offense, which Niskanen seems to do.

We get better defensively just by subtracting Quincey and Kindl. Then we get better by adding Niskanen or some other offensive, puck control guy. It makes us a more dangerous team to play against.

Niskanen is not the final piece, but he gets us back into making the playoffs easier. Back to where we have been for 20 years. Then, with him added to the core, add your pieces.

Bottom line, we need someone like him to be more than a bubble team. Then, the additional pieces are gravy.

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#2525454 Alfie informs Wings he wants to return

Posted by VM1138 on 24 June 2014 - 10:37 AM

Chicago is not afraid to make changes...why?  B O W M A N.  Stanley is the GM and Scotty is the advisor....remember when we had Scotty and s*** got done?  Kenny is no Scotty and he is proving now that all the success he has is from teams that Scotty built.  Teams that Scotty advised to build.  Kenny on his own is not a good GM... The Red Wings Nation has been in a downward spiral since 2009 and Kenny, although made a couple of attempts, doesn't know how to make the splash that is needed.  Chicago, St. Louis, Boston, LA....just to name a few teams that make deals to make their team better...not just re-sign the same old guys because they are loyal.  Loyalty used to get Kings beheaded in England...you have to do what is right for the team...not your buddy.

Holland pushed hard for Kesler last year. So you're attacking him for doing the exact same thing Chicago is doing now. Holland hate is dine but blind rage and hatred all the time is just excessive.

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#2525452 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by VM1138 on 24 June 2014 - 10:31 AM

2 years ago when I first joined this fine forum I talked about we need to pick up O'Reilly during his holdout. Most thought I was crazy and that he wasn't worth it. Now everyone agrees he is a great player. Just think, we could have drafted him instead of Ferrero.......LOL 1 pick later....... Those that think a bunch of our old always injured forwards are going to score a bunch of goals are smoking some good s***! Please pass it around! Datsyuk, Z, Weiss, Franzen, helm, now Alfie again, can't stay healthy. That is going to make it tough for them to score a bunch of goals. As of today-still June so things can still change, we are going to struggle offensively in the 14/15 season scoring. Injuries will happen. All those rookies that played so well last year are heading to the dreaded soph. season. There will be struggles. Which ones and how much? No idea. But just becasue player X score Y in half a season don't bet on it doubling by playing the whole year. If Sheahan and Jurco can both get to 75 games played and 15 G each, I will be happy. If tatar gets to 20 that is good. Same with Nyquist. The other teams have seen them and they will game plan for them now.I think we should be looking to acquire a young top 6 C regardless of what our needs are at D. If something becomes available I think we need to pounce. The long term survival of our success depends on getting a young top C before Z and Dats are gone - otherwise we will be looking at lottery picks. I honestly think we could wait a year or two to let our D prospects develop and be just fine for the future on D. We don't NEED more dmen for the long term future of this team (we are set there with 4+ NHL dmen in GR). I think the actual need is at top 6 C. I agree that we can't go into every year with rose coloured glasses and assume that our forward corps stays healthy for the year and that we are a lock to make the playoffs with them. If I were Holland I would be leaning towards upgrading our forwards and obtaining some more durability. 

I disagree. In order to stay competitive we need a defenseman. We have several quality centers right now. Yes, they are aging but they're not dead yet. We do not have a quality defense. A young center is a must for the future, but defense is a must right now.Sent from my ADR6350 using Tapatalk 2
Also, didn't Holland offer Nyquist, Tatar and a 1st for Kessler this year? He's willing to make the moves but there are two sides to every deal.Sent from my ADR6350 using Tapatalk 2

#2525355 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by VM1138 on 23 June 2014 - 06:31 PM

I still think Sheahan is a third liner.  He had a good year, but all the kids did.  I just remember the constant dreaming about Helm becoming more than a third liner, and I'm being more cautious with him.  He's got talent, but so far I'm going to assume he'll just be a talented third liner.

#2524711 Wings officially have vacancy in asst coach spot

Posted by VM1138 on 19 June 2014 - 09:28 PM

Barry Smith was one briefly, wasn't he? As was Dave Lewis. Only MacLean and McClellan have amounted to anything.

Hope our training staff follows him.

#2524709 Detroit re-signs Gustavsson 1 yr $1.85 mill

Posted by VM1138 on 19 June 2014 - 09:21 PM

Kind of silly to be upset over this. It's a backup role. So what if there were a small handful of slightly better goalies? They aren't THAT much better, and Gus is a known quantity with an establishes relationship with the team. It's really a non-issue. I would've liked to have had Mrazek as the backup but its pretty hard to get upset over Gus coming back.

#2524268 Dan Cleary may return...sigh

Posted by VM1138 on 17 June 2014 - 03:50 PM

He's going to GR to be a mentor, only way he returns to the wings is if he beats out a kid for a spot. Don't see how that's so hard to grasp.

GR doesn't really need a mentor who can't play hockey anymore. There is no defense of this. If they wanted him to have an influence on kids, make him a player development coach. If they only want him in GR, let GR sign him.

This doesn't work as insurance, either, because we have so many kids. And Cleary isn't better than a single one of them. He can't even skate without falling down.

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#2524047 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by VM1138 on 16 June 2014 - 03:51 PM

It doesnt hurt us at all. We always knew it was a 3 mil bonus. Nothing has changed and we still have nearly $20 million to play with, with a lot of baggage leaving and cheap replacements.