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#2530896 Kane & Toews Sign Identical 8-year, $10.5M AAV Extensions

Posted by VM1138 on 09 July 2014 - 06:13 PM

How is Zetterberg not a superstar? Sent from my ADR6350 using Tapatalk 2

#2530679 Red Wings Target Mike Green

Posted by VM1138 on 08 July 2014 - 05:56 PM

The Wings didn't want to re-sign Legwand. It's not like he rejected them. We don't usually have a problem keeping UFA's once we have them. Sent from my ADR6350 using Tapatalk 2

#2530594 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by VM1138 on 08 July 2014 - 12:27 PM

I'm thinking Z will play 70+ games.  Datsyuk should come close, too.  I just can't believe last year was anything but a ridiculous anomaly.  And as long as they're not injured at the same time, we should be fine for a few games without one of Datsyuk or Zetterberg.  There's just no way next year is as bad as last year.


Last season I joined the "Helm is made of glass" crowd, so I expect him to be injured.  Alfredsson will hopefully be resting throughout the season in back-to-back games, if he comes back.  I just think they will manage the injuries better.


There's always a fluke injury that sidelines someone for practically the whole season, but maybe we'll get lucky and it'll be one of the filler guys instead of one of the superstars we rely on.

#2530575 Article on FAs and Red Wings

Posted by VM1138 on 08 July 2014 - 10:07 AM


I'll agree with the first part, the city is not the issue...or at least is hasn't been for guys like Ivan Rodriguez, Magglio Ordonez, Carlos Guillen, Reggie Bush, Golden Tate, Chauncey Billups, etc. etc. etc.


On the subject of Babs I'll say this.  What happened in FA wasn't his fault.  He's not in charge of managing the roster.  I do, however, think that players don't look at him like they did at Bowman.  Sure, Scotty was a d*ck, but he coached a powerhouse team that realistically could win the cup every year.  Babs is a d*ck whose team isn't going to win s***.  So why deal with him?  Ken Hitchcock is notoriously difficult to play for, and he gets FAs because his team is a contender.  I think players would tolerate Babs if we could compete, but we can't, so they don't.  Not his fault, but it does play a part. 


Of course, the Tigers have been a strong contender for years now, hence those guys coming to Detroit.  And Billups...well, I don't follow basketball but didn't he suck when he came back?  Likely no one else wanted him and he wanted to go somewhere familiar.


The point everyone is making about the city isn't that no one wants to come here just because of that, but if your team is not a contender, there's no reason to choose Detroit over Tampa or Washington or any place with more living perks.  If Detroit were winning, we wouldn't have trouble attracting UFAs.  But since we're not really any better than the rest of the middling teams, the city of Detroit isn't going to be a selling point.

#2530358 Hockey News: Red Wings D hunting

Posted by VM1138 on 07 July 2014 - 09:33 AM

In reality this is hardly a tough decision ask yourself this:
Would you trade Tatar, a first and a cap dump for a young Chara, Pronger ? Personally I would but everbody is different.

Of course most people would, but that's knowing how Chara and Pronger turned out. Just because they defied the odds doesn't mean Myers will.

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#2530063 It's too bad about us having Weiss...

Posted by VM1138 on 04 July 2014 - 11:25 PM

Nyquist might have a sophomore slump. Jurco could have a surprise year, I think. Sent from my ADR6350 using Tapatalk 2

#2529987 Hockey News: Red Wings D hunting

Posted by VM1138 on 04 July 2014 - 03:02 PM

Found this in a Google search: http://www.talk-spor...ustin_Byfuglien

An entire forum devoted to hating Byfuglien. I don't get it. He has a fitness problem. Or did, I don't know if he still does. But I see things like "rapper wannabe" and "rap sheet" which makes me wonder if its some weird race-based judgement. I mean, his rap sheet is what, a drunken boating charge? He doesn't seem that bad to me. Especially if he is turning his fitness level around.

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#2529759 Hollands new contract a no brainer?

Posted by VM1138 on 03 July 2014 - 01:09 PM

Consider what you just wrote. 


Resign and re-sign mean very different things.


If you meant resign, then Babcock will only re-sign if Holland is fired.


If you meant re-sign, it means Babcock will only re-sign if Holland returns.


Punctuation is important.

#2529754 When will we know about Alfie? (Legwand signed w. Sens)

Posted by VM1138 on 03 July 2014 - 12:55 PM

I seriously think Nill will poach Alfie away to Dallas...they, right now have a ay better lineup. From front to back...


That being said, I would sure like to have Legwand back.  If we are just going to go with nobody new this year and let our current kids develop, I think a leader like Legwand would help out.  Especially the overpayment #firekenholland paid for him.  Not saying Alfie isn't a good leader, but like I said, I think he will go to Dallas afterall, if he is healthy that is.  It would be nice to have Legwand signed up when that decision on Alfie comes down.


Not that I really care too much until #firekenholland is, well, fired or resigns...


Alfredsson says it's Detroit or retirement.  Doubt he moves to Dallas.


Wait a minute, wasn't the Legwand trade supposed to be good because "he is a sure signing this offseason". Why exacly is he "good as gone"? So we really did trade Jarnkrok for a 20 game rental to get us to a first round knockout?


He's as good as gone because the Wings didn't offer him a contract.  And I'm pretty sure they said he wasn't coming back the week we were eliminated. 


I'd like to have Legwand back, too, but there's just no room for him. 





Miller-Helm-Glendening/Andersson/Cleary (Inevitably)


Where would Legwand fit? He'd most likely take Jurco's spot, as a third-liner.  And for whatever reason, Babcock dumped him on the fourth line when the playoffs hit.  Babcock's use of players boggles my mind sometimes.


Actually, looking at that lineup, I think our top six could use some work.  We do need that winger after all.

#2529748 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by VM1138 on 03 July 2014 - 12:43 PM

Kronwall Smith Kindl and most of the prospects ate puck movers. Pulk has little trade value because of his size speed and how he'd be viewed league wide. Tatar put up more points Datsyuk was still better his rookie year. Offer sheets are a waste of time.



As kip said: Who in their right mind is paying future top six forwards for broken down offensive defensemen? I'd take Green at a very low price-point because at this point WASH has got to be looking at that $6million cap-hit and thinking.  "Hmmm. How do I free up some cash to bolster my forward corps? Oh, I'll get rid of Mike Green for a pick and I can do whatever I'd like!!"


Nobody's offer sheeting Subban.

We're certainly not.  Even if we did MTL would immediately match whatever offer we made to Subban. 

They've got more cap space than we do to sign the guy. 

If you want to offer sheet any team at this point it should be Boston.  They're going to have a hard time getting all their RFAs re-signed.  Especially if someone was to jam up the works with an offer-sheet.


Franson wouldn't be bad, but we'd somehow have to rid ourselves of Kindl and/or Quincey for that to happen. I'm doubting Toronto wants either of them seeing how they each have a higher cap hit than Cody.




Tatar just had a better rookie season than Datsyuk did, on a much worse team.  I'm not sure what else he's got to prove for you to think he's a future top six player. 


As far as your asking price for Green.  I don't think Washington would even ask that with a straight face.  Holland's the king of making moves from a position of weakness, but even then, he's insane.  He gave a prospect and a pic for a top six center in Legwand and that was universally considered an overpayment.  Asking for a future top six forward in return for a guy on an expiring contract, who isn't a first pair defender, isn't happening.  I can't think of even a single example. 



You guys don't actually think Tatar is Datsyuk level just because he had a "better" rookie season, do you?  Let's be realistic (and I'm one of the biggest Tatar boosters here).  His aggression doesn't always overcome his small stature, he's easily kept out of the prime scoring areas, and once the league figured him out his offense disappeared.  He's not great defensively and has a bit of an attitude that all spells "Babcock's Doghouse."  If he's just going to be misused and abused like Hudler was, we might as well trade him to get some value.  I'm not a big fan of Green's so I'm not specifically pushing for that trade.  But Tatar is the most likely to move, I think, and has the most value to another team without hurting us too badly.  Nyquist is fast, dynamic and creative. Jurco will hopefully be a big bodied power forward type, which are rare.  Pulkinnen is a one-trick pony at this point and I doubt he has much value.  We can't really part with any of our d-prospects unless we had to.


That's how I got the point of suggesting Tatar in a trade.  Unless he somehow changes his game, he's going to be a tweener like Filppula and Hudler were.  He might get top 6 playing time but I'm not sure how dynamic he'll be there now that the league has him figured out.  If any of Tatar, Nyquist, or Jurco don't become a top six player, it's likeliest to be Tatar, I think.

#2529623 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by VM1138 on 02 July 2014 - 08:21 PM

He did not cost the team double digit games single handedly.


Yeah, someone did the statwork last season.  There were direct giveaway goals from Quincey in something like 15 games that were decided by a goal or so.  I'd say that's single-handedly.  He was remarkably consistent in his ability to be the last guy to touch a puck before being scored on.

#2529549 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by VM1138 on 02 July 2014 - 03:52 PM

Cody Franson and others...All I can say at least stay pat and don't make a bad situation worse. It is what it is and maybe if we finally miss the playoffs things are going to change..

We aren't going to miss playoffs. We will have Nyquist for a full season. No Olympics. Healthiest Z in years. We will finally make playoffs easily again.

I mean, even if the team stayed the same it would do better without so many crazy injuries.

Our defense and disappearing offense will kill us in the first round again, though.

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#2529296 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by VM1138 on 02 July 2014 - 06:04 AM

So now that Quincey has made a defenseman acquisition very unlikely, does Holland push hard for a scoring forward?  The price will likely be lower than for a defenseman.  Our offense is decent, but without a puck moving defenseman to help improve it, maybe we do need another scorer up front to help us escape the first round of the playoffs.  It wouldn't make us a Cup team, but we could make playoffs easier and maybe steal a round or two, which would make us look more attractive to a future d-man.  It'd be more obvious that said d-man would be the final piece to the puzzle.


I don't think there are any real options on the UFA market, so maybe Holland should look to trade for a winger.  Anyone else agree?

#2529211 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by VM1138 on 01 July 2014 - 09:55 PM


I think a lot of people realize how terrible this Quincey signing is, but I don't think as many has a grasp of how much it means in the big picture. It's just utterly horrendous. Even if they guy wasn't as bad as he is, it's just a such a terrible thing to go and do with our image already in the toilet. You do nothing and you can at least go on trying to minimize what happened today, but signing Quincey to that deal was a grand acknowledgement of the fact that this off-season is already an epic disaster for the Detroit Red Wings.


Their whole reaction has made the Red Wings' image suffer.  Holland coming out and admitting he is baffled, the signing of Quincey, the big public spectacle about everyone rejecting the Wings, it does some serious damage long-term.  We can't build a successful team only through the draft.  Sooner or later we'll have to make a trade to supplement.  But I guess it's set in stone, the team's goal is to "wait and see" by struggling for a few more years and hope enough of our prospects all turn into all-stars.

#2529197 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by VM1138 on 01 July 2014 - 09:44 PM

"My first priority was to be on a good team."  -Ehrhoff.


Holy crap.  Just humiliating.


That article also takes a dig at the Wings not being able to buy their team.  That pisses me off.  That wasn't even really the case in the pre-cap era. We spent a lot, but we got the right players. 


I'm thinking it's Babcock.  Almost every player suffers individually under his reign, and that lowers their future value.  Case in point: no one really wants any of our players except for Nyquist, Jurco or maybe Tatar.  So coming to Detroit could actually be bad for their careers.  He just doesn't seem to utilize some players where they would be strongest (Smith, Cleary, Quincey, Kindl, etc.)