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#2373810 Iginla may/may not have added Detroit to his trade list

Posted by VM1138 on 25 March 2013 - 04:33 PM

It's doubtful he will ever be as good as Iginla was. Iginla is a future HoFer. He may never be as good as Iginla is now, but he is someone who will be a good player for many years to come.



So you would rather have a solid player for years to come than have a player who can score 30 on mediocre to crappy teams?  Iginla may be "old" but he's got a few 30 goal years left.  What's more is the style of game he plays: the Wings don't have that dimension.  Solid players are great, you need guys like Cleary, Abdelkader, Helm, etc.  But (with the exception of Helm) there are way more of them than Iginla's.  Your opinion and defense of Nyquist over Iginla is fine, I'm not saying that, but in my mind it's absolutely worth it to get rid of a 3/2nd line tweener who will be solid for years if it gets us 2 or 3 years of dangerous offense.  Like people have said, he could replace Filpulla at Flip's desired 5 million and be a much stronger addition than Flip.  I think sometimes we get so caught up on long-term stability that we forget stability can sometimes only make you mediocre.  We all want to be good for a decade, but if we're constantly hoping that we'll be good "in the future" we never will be.  Nyquist will be good, but right now I don't think he'll ever be a franchise-type player.  So he's expendable in the right circumstances.


If we trade players that could be the next guys to carry this team after Datsyuk and Zetterberg leave for a 35 year old player, rental or not, we don't have much of a future.  Like I said before, we're not one player away from a Cup here.  How much of an impact is Iginla going to have in Detroit while the team is in this transition phase?  Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have him in Detroit, but his best years are behind him.  Power forwards play a more physical kind of hockey, he won't last into his 40's like Lidstrom.  


Again, I like Nyquist and he will be good for us.  But we need to win now because there are too many variables that could keep us from winning Cups in the future, talented prospects or not.  All we need is 2 or 3 years.  Iginla could shift from scoring threat to Bertuzzi-like player if he declines so fast.  Teams need those, too.  You don't get anywhere with pure youth.

#2373705 hockey central mentioned wings should maybe pursue iginla and bouwmees

Posted by VM1138 on 25 March 2013 - 12:41 PM

I think that we are set on defense in Holland's mind. It'd be nice to get someone but we've got a glut of competent young defensemen. Maybe no one amazing, but we will be solid in a year or two. Especially if we want Dekeyser, Holland's trade do us will ve a scoring forward to make us dangerous to play against.

#2369958 Damien Brunner

Posted by VM1138 on 16 March 2013 - 11:51 AM

It's hard to judge a player when the entire team suddenly tanks.  Plus, scorers go into slumps once in a while.  If Datsyuk and Zetterberg can disappear for 6 or 7 games, I think we can cut Brunner, brand new to the league, a little slack.

#2368844 3/13 GDT : Red Wings 2 at Flames 5

Posted by VM1138 on 13 March 2013 - 11:03 PM

switched the flip off early, got lazy and gave up a bunch of easy goals to a bad team

So...the usual?  I can't let this get me down, teams win and lose, but the patterns of behavior that they've been showing the past two and a half seasons are disturbing to say the least.  Something has to be done.  How many "last chances" will some guys get?  

#2368415 3/13 GDT : Red Wings 2 at Flames 5

Posted by VM1138 on 13 March 2013 - 01:30 PM

I don't get Babcock.  Why start Abdelkader on Datsyuk's line at all, if he's so certain Nyquist will get a chance to play?  And why is Tootoo out for Eaves? They have very different skill sets.  Wouldn't it have made more sense to bench some other 3rd liner like Cleary?  Tootoo has been great for us.


I'm sure he has his reasons, but they're apparently none of the reasons he cited to the public because he's contradicted nearly all of them with these moves.


EDIT: And what do we want to bet "personal reasons" means for White? 

#2367268 3/9 GDT : Red Wings 0 at Blue Jackets 3

Posted by VM1138 on 10 March 2013 - 08:37 AM

I hate to say anything bad about Yzerman, but he hasn't really shown any brilliance as a GM.

This team...every time they are in a position to close a gap in the standings, or to make up some troy.d somewhere, they blow it.

Babcock needs to be less reliant on his line formulas. He is sticking to the shooter-playmaker-net presence formula. We don't have the players to make that combination work right now. and its why Cleary and Abdelkader are on Datsyuk's line. I miss his old line juggling days now. Just try putting the best players together and see who clicks.

#2367211 Holland says those dreaded words, "Our Deadline Addition"

Posted by VM1138 on 09 March 2013 - 07:08 PM

Is this team a deadline trade away from the Cup?  No.  So let's get a good draft pick for once.


We're not a draft pick away from winning the Cup either.  How about we just address some of our immediate needs this year, then some more next year, and try for the Cup every year?  This whole "let's just wait and see what we get 10 years from now" is getting tiring.  Win now, you know?

#2366607 Goalie Salaries. How much is Howard worth?

Posted by VM1138 on 08 March 2013 - 09:59 AM

Fleury had a couple of decent years and one great one. Typical NHL goalie, which is why you don't give long term contracts. I'm not as much concerned with what Howard will make as I am how long the term is. There is no benefit to locking players up for life. It's okay to renegotiate contracts every few years. You may get a steal going long term, but you're more likely to be saddled with a bum a few years out.

#2366593 Clarkson could be a 4.5 million guy....

Posted by VM1138 on 08 March 2013 - 08:30 AM

"On pace for" is a really inaccurate stat. It never actually happens. Guys slow down, get in ruts, etc. I haven't watched Clarkson, but as a general rule, if a player comes out of nowhere be cautious. Remember Cheechoo?

#2365653 Holland says those dreaded words, "Our Deadline Addition"

Posted by VM1138 on 06 March 2013 - 01:10 AM

Holland's job is to make this team competitive, and not sit back and wait for some magical healthy team. That never happens in hockey. Also, Bertuzzi and Sammy aren't going to push this team to the next level. That's what a good trade does.

So no, getting healthy isn't like a trade acquisition.

Regardless, as you all said already, trades are unlikely because no one wants to anymore.

#2364945 if we can find a couple of power forwards.....

Posted by VM1138 on 05 March 2013 - 08:54 AM

Tatar has always been slated to be a top 6 forward. He's showing that development now. He might not develop into a superstar, but he will be putting up 60 points a season in a few years.

#2364389 3/3 GDT : Blackhawks 2 at Red Wings 1 (SO)

Posted by VM1138 on 03 March 2013 - 03:38 PM

Missed the game, but sounds like Tatar got shafted by Babcock. Did he sleep with Babcock's wife or something? The treatment of him and Datsyuk is mind boggling.

#2359873 Pavel Datsyuk dangles the entire Predators team!

Posted by VM1138 on 23 February 2013 - 07:57 PM

As long as he returns to the NHL there's no reason to think he won't break 1000 points. He could break it in 2 more seasons.

#2359755 2/23 GDT : Nashville Predators 0 at Red Wings 4

Posted by VM1138 on 23 February 2013 - 03:14 PM

A Tatar-Datsyuk-Tootoo second line would be better than that garbage. Tootoo has shown more offensive affinity than Abdelkader, or even Cleary as of late.

#2359663 Suppossed Winter Classic Jerseys...

Posted by VM1138 on 23 February 2013 - 10:47 AM

They look really cheap. I live vintage looking jerseys, but these look amateurish, even for those.