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#2491137 Ken Holland's Moves From 2009-2014

Posted by Wing Across The Pond on 05 March 2014 - 06:02 PM

A year before your spreadsheet, he signed Marian Hossa.


And a year before that, he signed Brian Rafalski.


One won us a cup. The other got us to back-to-back finals.

#2438146 Devils sign Brunner 2 yrs. $2.5 million AAV

Posted by Wing Across The Pond on 21 September 2013 - 02:51 PM

Sorry to be "that guy" but that sweater has both those colors. You're still right though


We all thought it, but you had to go and be THAT GUY :P


I hate to be "that other guy" but he also doesn't look crap at all... kind of suits it

#2438065 NHL enforcing uniform rule from 1964

Posted by Wing Across The Pond on 21 September 2013 - 07:47 AM

It's probably LESS to do with advertising than people think (i.e. not the first step in a process that leads to sponsors on the back of jerseys), but more to do with brand presentation. *Note - Tried to find a promo/press pic of Ovie but they were all of him in game* However in all these sorts of photoshoot pics, what's the one thing you notice about the player in questions jersey? If you, as an organisation, are trying to sell your brand then the last thing you want is your marquee player, the face of your franchise, obscuring part of their jersey (in this case, their number) when he is on TV or going to be snapped for the net or the papers. All arranged photos seem to have players with untucked jerseys it seems.


Not surprising this seemed to come at the request of GMs.

#2418528 Red Wings Lineups for Other Sports

Posted by Wing Across The Pond on 08 June 2013 - 06:51 AM


Right on.    :thumbup:


Unfortunately, we don't have much of a striker.   :tounge:   Chelsea fans will understand.  




I don't know much about formations but if I'm looking at that right, Helm/Flip are defensive mids, Dats line are attacking mids, right? And I'm guessing the striker position doesn't do as much work as everyone else except trying to score goals?



Soccer  (4-2-3-1 formation)





White - Ericsson - Dekeyser - Kronwall


                 Helm - Filppula


      Brunner - Datsyuk - Zetterberg




It still amazes me how much North Americans are getting into football/soccer. It's nice to see from a British perspective :) Now if only you could do the same with rugby! 


I like that team as well, although would like E in the defensive midfield slot for his occasional long ball peaches. 

#2331476 Jordin Tootoo & Polar Bears

Posted by Wing Across The Pond on 13 October 2012 - 03:21 AM

Heck no, I love meat. I'm actually thinking about getting a burger for lunch.

This obviously goes deeper than polar bears. If Henrik Zetterberg killed an endangered seal with a harpoon in Sweden, I'd be more willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, because I didn't start with the assumption that Zetterberg is a POS.

It was just tough for me to accept that we needed to pay a premium for a 29-year old hack would was a healthy scratch for a team that cleaned our clocks in April, yet can barely get to the cap floor in salaries. I think part of their success was DUE to the fact that guys like Tootoo weren't running guys in the corner for no reason.


So you basically admit that this topic is irrelevant? Insomuch as it's based entirely on your prejudice against a man that you simply don't like? You'd give Z the benefit of the doubt for much the same offense because he's not, as you put it, a POS... a man fiercely proud of his heritage which is slowly dying out, who is employed to play a role and has the added baggage of the hassle that comes with it, namely people saying he's a POS when they don't know him. I say let him play and then criticise dude.

Please oh please can the lockout end so that we can get back to hockey so that I don't have to hear about Jordin Tootoo's bear hunting desires?

Yeah, we really need to get playing again... getting way too political on here these days :confused:

#2327971 Patrick Eaves Skating again

Posted by Wing Across The Pond on 07 September 2012 - 12:53 PM

This sucks. Was a horrible incident though and I guess taking a puck to the head is always going to take longer to recover from that a hit to the head. I think saving graces are that we're pretty flush on offense at the moment and a lockout could give him more time to recover but boy I want to see Eaves skating again soon.

#2327808 Monster All Padded Up...

Posted by Wing Across The Pond on 05 September 2012 - 04:59 PM

Since there isn't much going on (still), thought I'd put up this picture that was just shared by the Detroit Red Wings Facebook...

Monster sure looks good in the red and white, and I have to say those pads look sweet. Simple, crisp white. Like an Ice Monster :) Excited for the new season when I see things like this.

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#2326368 New Commissioner?

Posted by Wing Across The Pond on 22 August 2012 - 05:18 AM

Messier or Shanny are good shouts. Don't think Shanny would be offered it though, just something about him doesn't seem to fit as commish to me but Messier is pretty much perfect for it. As ogreslayer said though, it'll be that dude in the suit...

This is brought up a lot when it comes to replacing old Bettman. Being commissioner entails more than ust giving awkward stuttering interviews and handing over the cup to a new team each summer. It's a high demand position requiring an educational background in law and labor relations. I don't think any former player except maybe Ken Dryden could make a crack at it.

Thing is it only has to involve law and labour relations in terms of hockey. Any career player and coach/gm/league official could do it as they've lived it. Plus there will be advisors for that stuff. I think it'll be good to have a commish who can provide a much needed link between hockey talent (players, coaches, etc), and hockey businessmen. Think how much smoother negotiations with the NHLPA would be if a former player was commish?

#2323074 Who is your favorite player from a team besides the Wings?

Posted by Wing Across The Pond on 30 July 2012 - 04:55 PM

He deserves a Cup, I don't think he will stay in Calgary if they don't make the playoffs

He wont stay. They don't want him and he doesn't want to stay... APPARENTLY. Rumour has it they want to rebuild and he doesn't/doesn't think he'll fit. I'd love him here.

Iggy is my favourite along with Vinny. Best days are behind them both but still love them. Vinny mainly for sticking with a sunbelt team (even though they are pretty good) and for all the work he's done in the community (children's hospital and all). Both just seem like guys I'd have a drink and a laugh with.

#2320349 Flyers sign Weber to offer sheet: 14y/$110m ($56m 1st 4yrs)

Posted by Wing Across The Pond on 19 July 2012 - 12:21 PM

Who are the phylers?

The only shot the Wings always had of landing a #1 defenceman was by trading. Nashville has to spend 24 million just to get to the cap floor. They will match the offer and then thank Philly for helping them lock up Weber for life.

This is the most interest point made here you know... because say he had no intention of really resigning in NSH, this guarantees he will. HA! So Philly basically did the negotiating for them, found a contract he'd take, then just crossed out the name and wrote their own "Shea Weber signs with Philadelphia Flyer NAshWillE PredIITors"

#2319577 Mike Modano pondering comeback?

Posted by Wing Across The Pond on 17 July 2012 - 03:45 PM

Just to make it clear, I wasn't necessarily saying "come here" just wanted thoughts on his comeback in general. He is 42 after all. Don't think he'd fit here anymore, plus don't think he'd come back. Also makes that 1 day contract he signed to retire a Star all the more ridiculous in hindsight

#2318859 How bad are we if our roster is now finalized?

Posted by Wing Across The Pond on 13 July 2012 - 06:58 AM

Is it just me, or do teams that go deep into the playoffs not do so because of good defense, but because of good defense and a strong defensive forwards? I mean Lidstrom and Scott Niedermayer are the only two D men to win the Conn Smythe in the last 10 years and that was for their offense. Whereas a lot of the forwards who have won it have been defensively minded in their series (think Z, Toews, Richards - again thinking last 10 years). I mean more Goaltenders have won it that defensemen. I understand good D is still vital (that goal for NSH this year still haunts my thoughts... just watching all 3 players follow the puck... oh goodness) but if we get a good solid defensive structure and the players get some confidence in them going into the playoffs, does anything still think we could steal a round or two by having players like Z, or Dats, or Helm, or Flip, Abby, etc playing strong on D as well?

That and Jimmy keeping this season's early numbers rolling all year. Just looking for some positivity as I think we still have the best group of 2-way forwards in this league

#2318642 How bad are we if our roster is now finalized?

Posted by Wing Across The Pond on 12 July 2012 - 12:57 PM

Nah dood, if we overpay just one guy we'll be the laughing stock of the NHL and our franchise will be crippled for decades to come! Hide the Money! Corral the assets!


As I mentioned earlier, I don't think Holland is against overpaying, just not for guys that are going to be dogs*** in 10 years when we're still paying them $7-7.5 at 40. Overpay for someone like Weber who is going to remain a Top 5 D man for a good number of years, not for Suter who was the best of what was on offer. I mean think about it, if we get Weber next year for the same contract that Suter is on now, we get the better deal. After all Suter wasn't the best on the blue line in NSH whilst Weber was there, so surely we'd be getting the better player for the same price? In my mind that's better business than throwing the money at the best of what's available and then having someone else take a better player the next year. Hope I'm making sense in all this...

#2318456 How bad are we if our roster is now finalized?

Posted by Wing Across The Pond on 12 July 2012 - 05:43 AM

This sounds like the same cop-out you've been using since Suter was signed. You've constantly said that Holland should have made some move or another to secure a good replacement for Lidstrom, but you've just as constantly refused to give any examples of what you feel he should have done. Please give some, as your behavior is strongly indicating that you don't actually have any at all.

For one I don't think Holland expected the retirement this season. Yes he should have been planning a replacement but maybe giving Smith time this year was part of that. I think Lids' ankle injury forced his hand a bit and then Holland was feeling the strain and thought he needed to sign someone for this season. I would go out and say that most of us here probably couldn't give a definitive name to replace him because we'd all make snap decisions on what this team needs NOW without giving it all the though a GM necessarily would to assess the best possible solution. For example I wouldn't be able to give you a good name to replace Lidstrom, because I haven't seen our D in action yet and found the areas where they greatly need improving... if at all any of this makes sense? :confused:

We're sitting pretty. In order to address needs most teams will have to create other ones to do so.
When spending big bucks it's gotta be the right guy at the right price.
I think we overpayed a little for Tootoo and Gustavsson and I don't understand the Samuelsson signing but the biggest coup is that we didn't sign Parise and/or Suter to those ridiculous contracts, not throwing a crazy offer at Semin and not overpaying for the other defensemen that were available, I think by season's end Smith will be better than most if not all them for a lot less, an opportunity he never would have had had we signed one of them

Cheapness has nothing to do with it it's not his money and Illitch wants him to spend it. They're goal is winning the Cup and overpaying for players just because we have the cap space would make it harder to achieve that goal.

No, he'll spend when it makes sense, not chase and over pay for above average players, or mid range guys, just because we have money or cap space, thus hand cuffing our team...

There were only two prizes this year, THAT'S IT

They chose to play in Minnesota together, and for a ridiculous amount at that, and it didn't mater what anyone else offered them, because their minds were already made up...

No one else in this FA class is worth the money, and more importantly, the term they've been getting... Other teams can continue to f' themselves with horrible contracts (Ville Leino says hello), I'll just sit back and be grateful the horrendous arm-chair GM's on LGW don't run this team, and we have someone like Holland to know the difference...

So to summarize, Kenny's too cheap to get the players he really needs. No one's saying blow the whole f***in' wad every year, that's just your tired response to any Holland criticism whatsoever. I'm tired of seeing retreads and reclamation projects, and then a bunch of excuses on why he didn't do better in acquiring guys. The "everybody's too expensive" excuse is starting to wear thin, especially when he's holding 16 miliion dollars.


Lumped these 4 quotes together because they all make good points. We didn't overpay this FA but still have a lot of cash left over. I agree, the contracts that were given to Suter and Parise were pretty horrible considering their length and price and I'm glad we didn't get stuck in that mess. Yet I also agree with esteef that we need to get someone big. I would say, however, that for the money that's on the table for players these days more ARE actually too expensive. Suter and Parise are good but they're not elite, best players in the league. Therefore I'm glad we didn't sign them to those levels of contract. I would offer it to Weber next year though, a long term, high money deal, as he is a Top 5 premier defenceman in this league and will continue to be for years to come. THAT, I think, is the difference with keeping the money and bringing in players to fill the gaps, and dolling out a large contract. They have to be worth the money when they're pushing 40 like Lids has been. I know it's incomparable with other defencemen in this era but he was worth the money after all those years. Much like Brodeur is worth the $5m or whatever it was that he got, because he's still a game changer even into his twilight. Suter and Parise wont be IMO, Weber could well be.

#2318131 How bad are we if our roster is now finalized?

Posted by Wing Across The Pond on 11 July 2012 - 09:37 AM

Overpaying? At $7.5 Million each? They were getting $110 Million dollar offers elsewhere. I call that a pretty damn good deal especially when they are far and away the top 2 guys in the free agent market.

When they're both 40 and you're still stuck with a cap hit of $7.5m it wont look like such a good deal. And you shoot yourself in the foot with the "far and away the top 2 guys in the free agent market". Means nothing in the context of the league. They could well be only top 50 in the league yet are earning top 5 numbers because they were all that was on offer. They're not Crosby, Stamkos, Malkin, Datsyuk, Kane, Toews, Sedins, etc. They're good, but not league leaders. Imagine a FA pool that has no big stars in it, starts with borderline 2nd line players, most likely 3rd liners, do you pay them $5m because they're the best on offer? Nah. Holland may have offered them more than they were worth as well but anyway you slice it, it's still overpayment