Okay I can level with people who said Z prime and Toews now.
Still don't buy the Toews prime > Z prime
This. I think GMR said it best though, are we talking years of top play, or 'peak', as in each player at their very best? Think either way Z takes it.
So if Z scores 80 points next season and Toews scores 65 and both replicated average time on ice and takeaways what do we conclude with that?
Say in playofffs 2016 they replicate similar numbers.
"Number's don't mean anything, Toews still better?" - Just curious so we have the opinions before the season starts.
I know Toews has the added factor that he still kills penalties and Z rarely does anymore (unless Blashill decides to put him and Dats back on penalty killing for some reason). But aside from that fact.
I reckon it would be concluded that Z is better. He's had injuries, especially with the back, and if it can be seen that he's over that and back to his best then him outscoring Toews would go a long was to help his argument. However I don't think scoring is everything. The PK would give Toews an edge, but having said that Z had 10 more blocked shots last year (26 to 16) and Miller lead the league in forwards - does that mean Drew is in the mix? Of course not. People bring different things and I think that's why it's been so difficult to separate these two.
If they had the points you quoted, with similar ice-time, it still wouldn't be enough to draw much of a reasonable conclusion as, say, 25% of Toews ice time would be on the PK. 75% of Z's 80 points would be 60. So for his ES time Toews would be doing better.
But hey, spreadsheets aren't everything (although I personally love them).
EDIT: I thought I'd also say (and I may be the first person to say it) that Z is without doubt far better value for money. But that's very little to do with either player, just a factor in the case of "which would you pick?" Toews, I feel, would have accepted less than what he was offered, but when they offered Kane his contract, they felt they had to offer Toews the same. He'd be a moron if he said "nah, just give me $8m-per". Our front office has always been a bit clever with the cap.
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