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#2622170 Who is the better player Zetterberg or Toews. Prime vs. Present

Posted by Wing Across The Pond on 03 August 2015 - 03:30 PM

Okay I can level with people who said Z prime and Toews now. 

 

Still don't buy the Toews prime > Z prime

This. I think GMR said it best though, are we talking years of top play, or 'peak', as in each player at their very best? Think either way Z takes it.

 

Question- 

 

So if Z scores 80 points next season and Toews scores 65 and both replicated average time on ice and takeaways what do we conclude with that?

 

Say in playofffs 2016 they replicate similar numbers. 

 

 "Number's don't mean anything, Toews still better?" - Just curious so we have the opinions before the season starts. 


I know Toews has the added factor that he still kills penalties and Z rarely does anymore (unless Blashill decides to put him and Dats back on penalty killing for some reason). But aside from that fact. 

I reckon it would be concluded that Z is better. He's had injuries, especially with the back, and if it can be seen that he's over that and back to his best then him outscoring Toews would go a long was to help his argument. However I don't think scoring is everything. The PK would give Toews an edge, but having said that Z had 10 more blocked shots last year (26 to 16) and Miller lead the league in forwards - does that mean Drew is in the mix? Of course not. People bring different things and I think that's why it's been so difficult to separate these two.

 

If they had the points you quoted, with similar ice-time, it still wouldn't be enough to draw much of a reasonable conclusion as, say, 25% of Toews ice time would be on the PK. 75% of Z's 80 points would be 60. So for his ES time Toews would be doing better.

 

But hey, spreadsheets aren't everything (although I personally love them).

 

EDIT: I thought I'd also say (and I may be the first person to say it) that Z is without doubt far better value for money. But that's very little to do with either player, just a factor in the case of "which would you pick?" Toews, I feel, would have accepted less than what he was offered, but when they offered Kane his contract, they felt they had to offer Toews the same. He'd be a moron if he said "nah, just give me $8m-per". Our front office has always been a bit clever with the cap.




#2618328 Wings sign Brad Richards 1 yr, $3 million

Posted by Wing Across The Pond on 01 July 2015 - 04:11 PM

 

EDIT: Maybe they'll get both.  Then trade for Lecavalier and have the big three from TB's last Cup team. lol

 

Literally didn't need the "last" in there  :tounge:

 

I don't like this at all. Even without Dats to start the year we have Z, Sheahan, Helm, Glendening all as C's. We wouldn't even need to bring Larkin up if that is what Holland is worried about.

 

If we needed a C to come up we could see what AA can do as he is further along in his development.

 

Richards can't skate anymore and won't fit with the fast paced style we are going for. I just see country club written all over this.

 

Richards can't skate anymore? Then don't cite Z as a replacement centre for Dats, because he's fast getting into that territory. I don't see it being that bad a deal for 1 yr, especially since you also mentioned Helm who gets wing time so isn't automatically a lock at C




#2613716 Report: Cleary wants to return for 1 more season

Posted by Wing Across The Pond on 09 June 2015 - 03:55 PM

A speck. The tiniest, teeniest, speckiest of specks. The last most speck of settled dust. The clock has ticked and ticked and ticked by, and along the rumblings of grapevines entwined with staff movements and acquisitions and rumour abound, gone is the distant cry that once rang... "We stink at the moment, seriously I'd throw Cleary in there. He would be better than what's out there at the moment".

 

I believe I was a replier to say "Meh, I guess it couldn't hurt, anything to stop this run" so I'm no above reproach. In truth when we hit that inevitable point where maladies come out to play and our encouraging record goes down the toilet an unhealthy number of us look to Dan Cleary as someone who "will at least go and hit some people and actually really really try really hard to do things good". It's a bit like the end of A Few Good Men; Daniel Cleary's existence is grotesque and incomprehensible to us, yet there will be points in our lives, points when we never utter an audible sound, when we want him on that wall, when we need him on that wall. I'd just prefer it wasn't Cleary and was some other washed up old vet. Because seriously, any other washed up old vet is probably better than Cleary at the moment. EDIT: essentially a washed up old vet who didn't play an entire career in a style that destroyed his ability to continue a career.




#2613704 Tampa Bay Lightning dress code for fans

Posted by Wing Across The Pond on 09 June 2015 - 02:53 PM

This nonsense again? I bought tickets to Game 7 via Ticketmaster resale with a UK credit card. No issue but I probs wasn't in an area that I wasn't allowed in. However I do wonder what I would have done as I was with my partner and her dad (she's a Bolts fan). Would we have been separated? In short, I had no trouble from staff beyond a girl who wouldn't accept my ID for a beer and wanted a passport (although I had already bought a beer), just lots from fans around me who told me to "go home". He wasn't a nice man. He was an angry man.

 

On a side note, in like, 2012 I went to the Bolts home opener in a Wings jersey (I bought the tickets the night before because they weren't selling - this was the days of Guy Boucher and his ultra-boring "trap" I believe. They went on to lose 7-4.) and the lady on the door said "Oh I don't know if you can come in wearing that." I laughed, it's a standard joke, I had Rays fans dissing my Tigers hat, that sort of thing happens, it's part of the inter-team camaraderie that you share as 'fans of sport'. I walked in. She didn't laugh however. She looked at me with serious intentions of asking me to leave. Once again it's lucky I was with my partner in full Bolts gear (well, not FULL gear, that would be silly. But tee and hat). In short (again), this doesn't seem to be a new policy, it's just they're in their first final since 04. Being there in the post-season, literally they seem to have everything riding on it this year - the city is buzzing with a real belief that they will win, billboards are changed seemingly daily (seriously they were all Stamkos, then suddenly Johnson, then "Bolts Win"), non-hockey fans (like my partner's cousin, uncle, and gramps) are keeping up with every game and even starting to become fans. I think they're doing everything to make sure it happens because if it doesn't, man that's going to be the biggest let down. The Hawks will move on, restock, go again next year, after all (kinda like us at the moment) it's not like they really need one. They've been pretty spoilt recently. Thinking of it, I hope Blash can get this sort of fire in us... just in a way that is everything opposite of Jon Cooper.




#2608868 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by Wing Across The Pond on 20 May 2015 - 12:50 PM

 

Weiss and Kindl for Phaneuf?   :sleepy:

 

Yeah, I see your point.  

 

Ha can you imagine if he went then, then that trade happened. He'd kill someone.




#2596365 ECQF Game 2 GDT : Red Wings 1 at Tampa Bay Lightning 5

Posted by Wing Across The Pond on 18 April 2015 - 05:03 PM

Babs post-game: Mrazek game 3 starter




#2596359 ECQF Game 2 GDT : Red Wings 1 at Tampa Bay Lightning 5

Posted by Wing Across The Pond on 18 April 2015 - 04:53 PM

....and 2008 Lidstrom/Rafalski....2002 Shanahan/Yzerman and maybe 1994 S. Federov.

 

I really miss Rafalski. The potential pin-point where it started to slip.

 

If Z is dross, and the 3rd line is non-existent, why not throw Z on the 3rd? He's not going to cut it on the top 2 so nothing to lose.




#2596245 ECQF Game 2 GDT : Red Wings 1 at Tampa Bay Lightning 5

Posted by Wing Across The Pond on 18 April 2015 - 04:14 PM

Q with a change right after... holes are there if we're smart and look for them instead of forcing a broken plan




#2595280 2015 Round 1 Photoshop War: Tampa Bay Lightning

Posted by Wing Across The Pond on 17 April 2015 - 04:17 PM

DAMN?! Not sure how I managed that one... thought it was 6 & 5... will edit PRONTO

 

EDIT: Lol... same with my sig too. Maths dyslexia

 

 

...I think you're missing two cups for the Wings.

 

 

 

Sorted  :thumbup:




#2595256 2015 Round 1 Photoshop War: Tampa Bay Lightning

Posted by Wing Across The Pond on 17 April 2015 - 02:22 PM

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Nope, Yzerman should NOT be off limits.  He's part of the enemy now until he takes over as GM for the Wings.

 

Quick one from me, considering the above ^^




#2592620 Definition of a real fan

Posted by Wing Across The Pond on 12 April 2015 - 06:39 AM

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Yeah it's soccer, but that sums it up for me. You do fall in love with teams, often through no fault of your own - you're taken by a parent or (in my case) you stay up as an 11 year old and watch hockey at gone-midnight on some low-budget UK tv channel. And it's often for no apparent reason. You don't really say "oh I like their uniform so I'll support them", it just seems to happen. But in all facets of love you can be disappointed. Some people react differently - some shout, some try to ignore and move on, some lose hope. Personally, I'm English, but cannot support English football. For a long while I stopped supporting English rugby for the same reason - I'd lost touch. I couldn't associate with they way they were going about the game and I felt disillusioned. The same may yet happen with the Red Wings.

 

But the main thing is, as in love, I won't move on to another team just because "I like [sport x]". If my partner disappointed me I wouldn't shout and then go out with their friend the next day. I'd be annoyed but eventually I'd get over it.

Who knows, if it was Boston or New Jersey that was being shown on tv when I was a kid maybe I'd be over on their boards. But then I'd probably be crying and shouting.




#2491137 Ken Holland's Moves From 2009-2014

Posted by Wing Across The Pond on 05 March 2014 - 06:02 PM

A year before your spreadsheet, he signed Marian Hossa.

 

And a year before that, he signed Brian Rafalski.

 

One won us a cup. The other got us to back-to-back finals.




#2438146 Devils sign Brunner 2 yrs. $2.5 million AAV

Posted by Wing Across The Pond on 21 September 2013 - 02:51 PM

Sorry to be "that guy" but that sweater has both those colors. You're still right though

 

We all thought it, but you had to go and be THAT GUY :P

 

I hate to be "that other guy" but he also doesn't look crap at all... kind of suits it




#2438065 NHL enforcing uniform rule from 1964

Posted by Wing Across The Pond on 21 September 2013 - 07:47 AM

It's probably LESS to do with advertising than people think (i.e. not the first step in a process that leads to sponsors on the back of jerseys), but more to do with brand presentation. *Note - Tried to find a promo/press pic of Ovie but they were all of him in game* However in all these sorts of photoshoot pics, what's the one thing you notice about the player in questions jersey? If you, as an organisation, are trying to sell your brand then the last thing you want is your marquee player, the face of your franchise, obscuring part of their jersey (in this case, their number) when he is on TV or going to be snapped for the net or the papers. All arranged photos seem to have players with untucked jerseys it seems.

 

Not surprising this seemed to come at the request of GMs.




#2418528 Red Wings Lineups for Other Sports

Posted by Wing Across The Pond on 08 June 2013 - 06:51 AM

 

Right on.    :thumbup:

 

Unfortunately, we don't have much of a striker.   :tounge:   Chelsea fans will understand.  

 

 

 

I don't know much about formations but if I'm looking at that right, Helm/Flip are defensive mids, Dats line are attacking mids, right? And I'm guessing the striker position doesn't do as much work as everyone else except trying to score goals?

 

 

Soccer  (4-2-3-1 formation)

 

 

                        Howard

 

White - Ericsson - Dekeyser - Kronwall

 

                 Helm - Filppula

 

      Brunner - Datsyuk - Zetterberg

 

                      Franzen

 

It still amazes me how much North Americans are getting into football/soccer. It's nice to see from a British perspective :) Now if only you could do the same with rugby! 

 

I like that team as well, although would like E in the defensive midfield slot for his occasional long ball peaches.