Wing Across The Pond

SOB wants more PP? Hope it backfires and the refs get pissed at him for calling them out.

I dont know what he sees, I saw howard get run into wayyy more then rinne

Thing is, Babs doesn't call out the officials like this because Howard knows it's part of the game and deals with it. Don't think I've ever seen that guy flop around, just tries to stay strong in his crease and battle for the puck. He probably could get a lot more calls if he embellished a little like a lot of goaltenders do (lol first that came to mind is Ozzie ) but cudos to him that he doesn't, just gets on with it. Might also have something to do with the fact that Jimmy is a crazy muthafudger who likes to punch hehe

First off let me say this: I like to post on here, I try to daily because it's a good site for all things Red Wings, yet more than posting on here I like to pick apart people's incompetence... so I shall begin.

You guys need to learn the meaning to words before you erroneously throw them around.

"In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory,^[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community."

I have done no such thing. I'm commenting on the topic of Baby Bertuzzi allegedly pulling this little stunt. Then commenting on how thrilled you guys get over it when you should be worrying how you're going to get pucks past Pekka Rinne and convince Howard to actually stop a few.

First of all, I'll agree you came in on topic and didn't troll. Then you proceeded to troll. This post isn't about Rinne and Howard ∴ trolling - this is indeed trolling as well because you could barely stick a cigarette paper between the two. Rinne has given up 7 goals, Howard 8. They've both made good saves but have been fairly average.

Oh and please keep being original and telling me how I have sexual relations with sheep, live in Hickville oh and ever so fresh "We have more cups than you" jab that is universally known as the Bandwagon Red Wings insult.

I don't give a damn where you come from, frankly I don't know you. That said, it's your posts make me think you're an idiot, which is fair because they're all I've got to go on. Just as you'll probably think I'm an idiot after this. That's fine, maybe one day we'll bump into each other in a bar and realise we're both awesome. However, I'm not going to tell other people to stop saying it, it's their choice.

It's equally cute seeing Red Wings fans getting all bent out of shape because the Preds finally finish above them & pretending it doesn't. Of course I am happy because we finished above the Red Wings, not only for bragging rights but home ice advantage.

It has become apparent in the world of hockey "fandom" that Red Wings fans can't accept anything negative about their team.

I was told yesterday in this forum's very chat room that Nashville won game 3 because of the refs and because we were "goons."

1)Home ice hasn't been all it's cracked up to be, not just this series but ever series. It's yet to be seen whether that's a game-breaker.
2)You've obviously not been on this forum long enough if you think "Red Wings fans can't accept anything negative about their team". Obviously never seen the '[name] is lazy and he sucks' topics.
3)Tell me, in all honesty, that no Nashville fan has ever said the refs cost them a game. It's sports.

Yeah but guess what...they don't! They are a little more classy and tend not to use winning something in the past as a CURRENT reference to their team.

The bad thing is the majority of Red Wings fans who throw that stat out there have not been alive for more than the most recent 4, yet live off the others like they were in some guys testicles wearing a Gordie Howe jersey.

I just find it silly to resort (when losing a battle of wits) to bringing up things that happened 20+ years prior to my birth.

This is illogical. No one in here mentioned winning cups in the 50s. They said we've won more. Which is both true and fair. If forced to be specific, most fans here WOULD simply mention the 4 since '97 as they're the ones they were lucky enough to see. What's more, they can still talk only about the ones they were alive for and the fact "we've won more" would still ring true.

ANYBODY on the Red Wings could score on the Preds and it wouldn't hold a candle to KEVIN KLEIN putting a move on your defenders and going shelf on Jimmy Howard. I think all of us hicks down here in Nashville spit our dip all over the screen when that happened. I know we had a good laugh about it. "Hell if Kleiner is scoring then I know we got this series in the bag" was one of my favorite quotes from the viewing party.

Enjoy your thriving economy in Detroit!

The last comment is trolling, which of course you said you weren't doing. Clever. The first comment is for reference below¹

I noticed you joined this site after they won their last Cup...coincidence?

I'm sure it's not.

Either that or you were late on the whole "Internet" boom thing...doubtful though.

The person you posed this question to has replied since so you'll know that he's only 18 and therefore was 15 when he signed up. Plus it's irrelevant. I can see YOU'VE only joined this site since the Preds had even the slightest chance in hell of beating the Wings in a 7 game series. Coincidence? Don't give me that bull.

See here is the big difference between our fans.

I have NEVER said the Red Wings were trash or not talented.

I have NEVER dismissed the fact they have a history of excellence eras.

11 Cups is a nice stat for a team, and apparently for a fan to toss around like a used hooker.

Nashville has no Western Conference Titles, Division Titles or Stanley Cups but I hardly hold those stats against them when referencing their current and past talents. Let's be real here the Red Wings have been around what... 86 years vs the Predators 14. It's not exactly fair to compare in that essence. Stop playing hockey for 72 more years then let's compare our team's accolades. Until then stop riding the high horse of a franchise that did most of that before 95% of you were even thought about.

That's what truly makes you look dumb IMHO.

This is referencing the above post¹. To the comment "I have NEVER said the Red Wings were trash or not talented.", I retort with "ANYBODY on the Red Wings could score on the Preds and it wouldn't hold a candle to KEVIN KLEIN putting a move on your defenders and going shelf on Jimmy Howard." Somehow I think this is trashing the Wings, saying they're not talented if they can't, "hold a candle to KEVIN KLEIN". Not to mention Datsyuk robbing your defenceman and sticking it past an onlooking Rinne made them both look pretty silly.

I only managed to get to this point in your posting before I had to reply. You're contradictory, and your arguments are fueled by anger, which means you post without thinking. This leads not only to fragmented arguments that can be shot down rather easily, but also IDIOCY.

To quote yourself, "That's what truly makes you look dumb IMHO".


EDIT: Had to put the Datsyuk goal in there... how could I not?

i don't get the whole twitter or tweet thing, but it seems to be a good way to get up to date news.

The very reason I joined, and have never looked back. My life would be so hollow without an email saying I have a new follower. Much like it would be if people stopped +1-ing my posts on here... Ahhh who am I kidding?! NOONE plus ones my posts on here

@GJHeidler

Whats wrong with it b/c people injure the players I like who play for my teams so why should I have respect for the other teams? Teams love playing the Wings when they are short-handed so why can't the Wings do the same to them? I don't know the players personally so to me they are just a commodity and thus not their to be my friends. All I care about in the world of sports is that the team that I am rooting for wins as I couldn't care less if its a blowout win or an OT win as all I want are wins as I am greedy when it comes to this.

I bet you if the NHL or any sport started to legalize cheapshots and have everyone fend for themselves after the injuries started to mount then the players would then finally get it that its wrong to go out and cheapshot people. Case in point is that the suspensions don't deter it as look what Weber did last night? So why not let them destroy each other and see how many are left standing?

First Paragraph: I don't know you personally ∴ YOU are a commodity to me, the views of which I can care nothing about and not feel any guilt (if we are to use your logic there). Secondly I'd prefer my team to lose with dignity in the face of hard work and fair contest than win as a result of playing against teams that they've had to go out and weaken to have any chance of beating.

Second Paragraph: It's idiocy. Weber's play, whilst gutless and infuriating to watch, was reactionary not premeditated thuggary which you suggest adopting. Not to mention that if the NHL legalised cheapshots yes, the vast amount of players would learn, but it would give rise to players not skilled enough to hold down a regular place in a team simply intending to injure people. If you legalise it, there will always be people doing it.

Then we'll get rid of those pesky rules here and make hurt feelings fair game.  Then people will tell you what they think with much less tact, intelligence, and grace than Gabe used in Post #2 of this thread.

Ahh why thank you

Well I don't know about you guys but I don't understand why people keep talking about cutting down injuries & cheapshots when we all know they will never stop b/c we all know players want the other teams players to get injured b/c those teams will be easier to beat.

Presumptuous. Implies league-wide classlessness and lack of respect for other players. Is idiocy.

Also fans want the teams other players to miss time due to injury b/c they get a better chance of watching their team win.

Want my team to win by playing the better hockey, not by being lucky that Player X isn't dressed ∴ presumptuous.

Case in point I have no problem if the Preds suffer a rash of injuries or Pens, Canucks, Sharks for that matter.

Not the point you're trying to make. You appear to be suggesting that the league should allow people to injury people freely. This ^ is a completely different matter.

In the world of sports its all about looking out for #1 and just getting your team to win or the team that you have cash on if you are a bettor.

Presumptuous that all sports and all teams/organistations put winning above all else. It is a goal, yes, but not an ends to which all means are valid. Also implies that the "bettor" has some form of power in deciding the outcome of a contest but chalking that one up to poor grammar.

I think the league has to accept that professional sports is all about winning and the only way to put away the injury/cheapshot issues to bed is to legalize it and let the players all knock each other out until we have no healthy bodies left and then they will learn their lessons only then.

Or to suspend players like they do now. Legalising simply means more people will do it, not less, ∴ idiocy.

I think the league has to accept that professional sports is all about winning and the only way to put away the injury/cheapshot issues to bed is to legalize it and let the players all knock each other out until we have no healthy bodies left and then they will learn their lessons only then.

Ignores the consequence of injuries, namely that the standard of hockey will decline, not to mention the number of children taking up a sport that allows it's players to freely injure their teammates. Idiocy.

Also you have to look at the coaching and I bet if you ask any NHL coach if they would like Cindy Crybaby injured or healthy and all 29 coaches will say they rather him injured b/c he can't hurt me from the press box.

Again shortsighted, suggests that all coaches are classless and that they want to see stars injured. On a deeper level, suggests coaches are only there to win and don't have any love for the game. Also implies coaches are open to having their own players targetted as to suggest otherwise would mean one team's players are of higher intrinsic value than another's.

It's that plain & simple b/c winning is everything in pro sports and if you have a chance to injure someone with a clean hit you do so and if you want to take a cheapshot to injure someone you do it at your own risk as there will be some retribution from the other teams players.

It is, most certainly, the opposite.

It's that plain & simple b/c winning is everything in pro sports and if you have a chance to injure someone with a clean hit you do so and if you want to take a cheapshot to injure someone you do it at your own risk as there will be some retribution from the other teams players.

Presumptuous. Implies the feeling is universal to hockey. Is idiocy.

It's that plain & simple b/c winning is everything in pro sports and if you have a chance to injure someone with a clean hit you do so and if you want to take a cheapshot to injure someone you do it at your own risk as there will be some retribution from the other teams players.

True but implied, once again, that it is universal to hockey. A player might want to cheapshot someone, but not necessarily injure. As above,IS IDIOCY.

I know you are simply trolling, and that I shouldn't have replied to such an ill-devised suggestion that is both poorly articulated, and half-baked. What you've outlined is a cheap, dirty, gutless route to hollow victory that would only be grasped by a coward who would rather be gifted things in life than to work for it, and pay with the sweat off his brow, safe in the knowledge that win or lose s/he can be proud of their effort because they gave their all until the end and respected their fellow man. What you've suggested is nothing more than legal assault. You sicken me.

Great effort from him all season, shame about the general team play. Last person to hit 60 and not make the playoffs... Steve Yzerman.

http://twitvid.com/OCLRV

Positive signs

EDIT: Helm also skating apparently, but says return is a way away.

Ansar Khan ‏ @AnsarKhanMLive
Red Wings encouraged to see Darren Helm skating | http://MLive.com http://www.mlive.com..._to_see_da.html

Dear Wings,
Remember how you played after St. Louis scored two goals?
Play like that again.  Just don't wait until the Devils score two goals.
Don't let them score any.  Just play like you did when you were down by two.
Remember that?  Yeah.  Good times.

Love, Your friend, Karen

I lol'd. Love it!

I must confess that I fell asleep last night, mid-game, and missed all goals and the shootout. I shall have a nap a few hours beforehand tonight, so as to be primed for viewing this evening Jersey is being nicely laundered also as I speak, so I can get this smelly vintage one off!

Lets Go Wings

Really cannot wait for puck drop! Love sitting in bed ready to watch some hockey. I sit in bed because it starts at 00:30 here

Quite a cool vid, but not been gripped by this years playoff promos. Don't think they quite grab the excitement for me. That being said, I was more excited than a kid at Christmas at the moment!

Lets Go Wings

EDIT: Embedded vid instead of linking

Would also say about people thinking he should hang it up, it'll have more of an impact than one would think about whether Lids decides to call it a day. I'd take Homer's reduced minutes and ability to tip the odd puck if it meant Lids agreed to one more year. I think when one of them goes, the other will be close behind.

Strike me down for thinking positive in here, but I'm gonna say that Conks will be stellar in net. Reaffirm his place as a solid back-up. Roll into the post-season with confidence at the goaltender position to take some heat off the defencemen, who can then maybe relax a bit and not try to push it too hard thus reducing the amount of mistakes. That in turn will sort the PK out whilst at the same time reducing the amount of goals against. We get at least one more than they do. Happy days

And now, since I've said it, it HAS to happen. Please let it happen! Still, I feel quietly confident that tonight sees it start to get better.

I think when we're all healthy, our 3rd line of Abdelkader-Helm-Miller is pretty good (and would make an even better 4th line), but I totally agree with everyone that our 4th line is completely lacking in identity and purpose.  My hope is that the veterans like Homer and Cleary will turn it up in the playoffs - they've been warriors for us in the post-season, but I wonder how much their bodies have left to give.

Homer is a warrior, but his game is playing off of players like Z or Dats. He's not a 4th liner, hence the lack of identity. Cleary could be a beast down there and give his brand of gritty game on the 4th line, plus I think he'd be man enough to accept that role as well.

The analogy of the car, whilst quaint and eloquent, is misleading. It suggests that when we lose one piece the others fall apart. It's more like taking the four wheels to be Dats, Lids, Z, Howie (say for arguments sake) then when they're injured replacing them with a milk crate, a corner section of Scalextric track, an overused VHS of the 1984 Winter Olympics in Sarajevo, and a Fast Break. I know I'm being flippant, but the current situation isn't like we're a crap team who utterly, completely must have them to function whilst other teams can deal with it, it's simply that we're stacked with injuries at the moment and the players who are being asked to come in and replace them either haven't developed yet or are severely inexperienced. In short, they're just DIFFERENT pieces. Whoever it was that said teams like the Pens don't fail like this, I'd like to see them without star centre Crosby AND top scorer Malkin... AND starting goaltender Fleury for that matter........ AND a top-line defencemen like Orpik. Because that's what we've been going through. Not to mention we had players like Bert out (so say, take out Staal there), Helm now....

We're simply injured. It's a bit of a kick in the face to say that without a few certain parts this team isn't worth jack.

I miss Aaron Downey

If anything, Lids is going to get upset about this and hang 'em up. He is in the longest injury stint of his career and his teammates drop like flies every march.  I don't forsee him sticking around to see it happen again.

Thank goodness Lidstrom doesn't think like you.

The Production Line blog gave an interesting view on the reason to why Wings shipped Commodore to Tampa and didn't sign anyone else in his place...

http://theproduction...ommodore-loose/

Interesting theory, just wondering what people think? I haven't seen the prospect at all so can't really comment but could Holland be THAT farsighted?

Theories please.