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#2230369 Jonathan Ericsson Watch Thread

Posted by Wing Across The Pond on 27 November 2011 - 09:39 AM

If anyone knows hockey and actually watches Ericsson they would notice that he never is in position.
His awareness is terrible. People can be parked in front of the net and you would think he doesn't know they exist. The biggest problem is how much he is being paid to do what he does. He doesn't contribute anything offensively and is mediocre at best defensively. I wouldn't have a problem if he was getting paid in the 1-2 mil range, but he is getting paid too much money to not contribute offensively. I think when we get to the trade deadline we should consider packaging him instead of Kindl in a trade. Kindl is cheaper and has been much more solid.

They would also know, however, that a player's positioning, tactics, and ultimate playing style (as in what they do with the puck/their body, not necessarily the way they carry themselves), has an awful lot to do with doing what their coach tells them or risk getting benched for not listening. E has been pretty solid and has obviously warrented his place in the line-up according to the staff as he's not too big a 'star' to be sitting in the press box. If he was playing that bad, or was constantly out of position, he would be seeing less time. I think he's actually doing what he's told, rather than taking his initiative that may not as of yet have enough experience to be effective. Once he learns solid play by doing as he's told, it'll come more naturally. I'm ok with that.

#2230355 Patrick Eaves injury

Posted by Wing Across The Pond on 27 November 2011 - 06:54 AM

Don't think anything seriously wrong will come from the injury, as some people have already mentioned it's a fractured jaw which might pose some problems as it's so high up. It wont just be a bone that can be held in place and allowed to fix naturally, it might need a wire or something to stop it slipping under gravity (I mean it must be the very top of the jaw if it's right underneath the ear). But with regards to him falling so dramatically, seeing as it was his ear, it was probably a balance issue that meant he flopped, and most likely passed out. It was shocking to watch and as a fan, I feared something might be wrong, but it probably hit him in a fairly alright place (not that I'd like it! lol) but there's no real shot to any brain area (bit too low), there's quite strong bone protection (jaw), and it was away from his cheeks which can have some serious knock on affects (such as displacing the eye socket which is really horrible). I mean anywhere else could have potentially been much worse, but still wish him a speedy recovery. Shows why he should be in this team every game, just doing everything he can to stop a shot, which like someone already mentioned, this team has been doing a lot of recently.

Also have to say I felt so sorry for Josi. He did look like "oh my God what the heck have I done?!" I mean he's not been long playing out of facemasks surely. Classy move by him to see Patty as he was leaving the ice.

#2227308 Bottom Six Philosophy?

Posted by Wing Across The Pond on 19 November 2011 - 06:38 AM

1) Didn't mean to offend with the "played hockey" thing. I was just making an additional point.

2) Going to have to disagree with you about the boards things. If there's a loose puck in the boards and a big guy charging, they hesitate. Most players their size would. Just a fact of the game.

3) I'm not saying that Miller or Eaves aren't smart players, or that they aren't playing hard. I'm just saying that there are things we need out of their roles that they can't physically provide.

4) Agree that the whole team needs to start working harder. Agree that the top six needs to pick it up production-wise. But I think that a couple of really physical players in the bottom six would help us in a lot of ways. In addition to crashing the net, defending our own crease, being tougher in the boards, and just having a little more 'edge' as a team in general...as the other poster mentioned, they'd make our bottom six - which isn't at all hard to play against - harder to play against...and a big hit or fight does boost the team. But really, when I see our team out there most nights, I see a bunch of guys that look intimidated by the bullies on the other side of the rink. I hate that attitude. I think it leads to more problems than the eye can see. And I want to see it addressed, desperately.

...I mean, do you not think that McCarty and Probert gave our entire team a little bit of a different attitude that resulted in better play?

Think now we're finding some common ground, I mean heck yeah I think MaCarty or Probert give you a little more, and with regards to number 3) I agree that they're doing their jobs but not much else. It seems the whole bottom 6 is designed to be a PK unit. Essentially. But to what end is that the coaching/tactics of the team that they have to remain defensive before they play physical?

However having said that I reiterate the fact that changing a few bottom 6 players around wont steady a sinking ship, although it may help keep it afloat for a little while longer.

i love how everyone loves to rag on drew miller, yet the guy is +7 this year! i am not about to say plus/minus is everything. but think about it at the most basic level, if the bottom 6 is such a weakness, then wouldn't they all have bad plus minus ratings because they are giving up too many goals against? yet none of them do. bruunstrom is -2 in 4 games and bertuzzi is -1 in 11 games. thats it for bottom 6 guys. everyone else is even or plus. and heck, bertuzzi was last on the entire team 2 years ago so -1 ain't half bad for him!

i know people love to rip on plus minus, but to me it points to this basic premise: what games out of the 8 losses can be attributed to bottom 6 play? i would argue none of the losses have really been their fault nor have they even been significant factors in most losses. also, if having a more physical bottom 6 is essential, what games were lost because of a lack of physical play? the wings losses are because they are s*** on the PP and have not gotten solid play from their top 6. i really don't think a bottom 6 guy making some big hits is going to get dan cleary's head out of his ass...

i would love to imrpove the bottom 6. i would love to improve lots of parts of this team. but they aren't the problem. i dont even think they have underperformed. i would love to see a guy like brandon prust on this team, but i really don't think it would have improved the wings record at all.

Yeah I know! He's actually been chipping in well offensively, whilst still keeping his defensive strength. A little part of me nagging away in the back of my head is thinking that, for all the praise Kronwall is (rightly) getting for his good play, is his recent offensive surge (and in fact the recent surge of all our defensive players - highest goals scored by defencemen) taking precident over their defensive play?

#2225508 GMs to discuss the 1-3-1 forecheck

Posted by Wing Across The Pond on 15 November 2011 - 12:20 PM


Fantastic reasoning. Infallible argument. But believe it or not, in a game without ties, if you don't attack, you wont win. Unless the opposition puts it into their own net. The onus is on the attacking team to actually win a game, not limp through to a loss.

#2225494 GMs to discuss the 1-3-1 forecheck

Posted by Wing Across The Pond on 15 November 2011 - 11:22 AM

Waste of time if you ask me, I think it's a perfectly acceptable way to play hockey.

TORONTO -- The general managers will hold their first meeting of the 2011-12 season Tuesday in Toronto, and it is likely that the 1-3-1 forecheck utilized by the Tampa Bay Lightning will be a hot button topic for discussion.

The Lightning's version of the patient forecheck became a League-wide conversation piece last week when the Philadelphia Flyers opted not to attack it but instead sit back and wait. Tampa Bay chose not to attack either, but instead wait for the Flyers to attempt to move the puck up the ice.

The officials had to blow the whistle to stop the play because nothing was happening; the puck had stopped moving.


#2225044 Ryan Miller's opinion on Milan Lucic

Posted by Wing Across The Pond on 13 November 2011 - 07:22 AM

Like the fact he spoke his mind which is all too lacking these days, couldn't care much about the hit, but think Lucic made no attempt at the puck, he throws up the hands because he knows he's messed up and it'll be a good laugh to run a goalie. If it was any other player, the puck is still gone, still moving his feet, still a penalty. Think goalies are fair game, but think Lucic made a s***ty play. I'm just glad someone out there isn't saying "oh well they played really well, and they're a great team, and we have to respect that". Finally someone said "you know, I don't like him, or the way he plays"...


#2223708 Coaching part of the problem?

Posted by Wing Across The Pond on 08 November 2011 - 03:14 PM

I clearly said I haven't been happy with some of the things he's done for the past few years, not just the previous 5 games. I still stand by everything I said in the first post. Babs rewards players who don't deserve it, and punishes those who don't deserve it. If you somehow can disagree with me, fine, that's your opinion, but I guarantee most of the posters here don't disagree.

I disagree.

That's a pretty bold claim. Whatever the case, do you think that this means he should be replaced, and that there's a replacement out there who's indisputably better?

This. It would take a hell of a lot for me to lose faith in, and replace, the only coach in history to be part of the Triple Gold Club.

#2213677 Messing with the lines already?

Posted by Wing Across The Pond on 09 October 2011 - 07:34 AM

Abby, Helm and Bert line for the win tbh...

I actually think it was a stroke of genius working the lines around as it gave a spark. The main plus? Putting Danny Cleary on that top line with Z and Dats. He brings more than Homer ever did with those two, will get points, will always give 100% every game he manages to play, and compliments both the guys well. Not only that, by throwing him into the top line, it frees up guys to create lines like the one quoted above ^^ :) it's looking promising.

#2206775 McCrimmon, Salei on board Russian plane crash

Posted by Wing Across The Pond on 07 September 2011 - 07:43 PM

I was actually having a good day too, driving in to work, I was thinking about everything I was going to get done today. Six hours into the day and I haven't done a damn thing. I saw the article on my RSS feed and immediately recognized the team name from the McCrimmon and Salei signings and a horrible feeling sank in. I'm in shock and can't even imagine what the families/friends are going through at this very moment.

I personally, have had one of the worst days in a few years. One of those days where everything conspires against you. But after getting home, getting dressed for bed, and now sitting here (1:35AM GMT) I see this, and feel ashamed that I became so angry at myself and at others around me, when there are far worse things happening in the world. I saw the Red Wings Facebook feed, and had heard nothing about it. It was only when I saw their pictures and names on the Wings site that I found out, and sat with my head in my hands for what seemed an eternity. I feel so sad for the accident, for these peoples families, and for the hole that is left in hockey, not just now, but over the course of this last year. But more than anything I feel disgusted that I became angry for not getting the job that I had gone for, for being short with my family despite the fact they had done nothing wrong.

I urge everyone, go and hug your loved ones. Because I bet all of those left behind wish they could.

#2206118 Red Wings Sponsor?

Posted by Wing Across The Pond on 03 September 2011 - 05:05 PM

Don't know if this is the same, might just be presenting the website, but it appears the Wings have had a presenting sponsor before in AT&T... Clarification on whether I've misinterpreted would be nice :)

http://redwings.nhl....s.htm?id=587621 (Across the top where the Red Wings name and logo are).

Think its automatically a terrible idea, for the sole reason that the (seemingly) majority of the fans are in disgust of it, not simply an "it's a shame hockey has to have sponsors" but more in a "they're a dispicable company for such a respectable organisation to be associated with". That in itself should be enough for the Wings organisation to know they've made a mistake they cannot turn back on now.

#2200833 Your Favorite Red Wing Player

Posted by Wing Across The Pond on 25 July 2011 - 06:36 AM

1) Who is your favorite Detroit Red Wing player overall to wear the Red Wings Logo? Yzerman (seems to be a theme emerging) or Hasek (as I love goalies)

2) Who was your favorite Detroit Red Wing player that joined the red wings? (Non drafted by Wings, could be threw Trade / FA / Waiver etc...)Even though I said Hasek before, has to be Danny Cleary

3) Which current player would you dream of them joining the Wings?Shea Weber. Strangely enough a few years ago it would have been Mike Modano :blink: Thinking about it properly, I'd have to throw Iginla in there as well, such a classy guy, big strong body, a leader, and a goalscorer. Could do really well on this team

4) Which are the players that really "hurt / bugged" you when they left the Red Wings to join another team? Bugged: Hossa because he just Cup-jumped, bit unclassy but man wanted a cup. Hurt (through fault of management not player): I know he wanted to stay, but after that it'd be Aaron Downey as he had a great season with the Wings, then wasn't given another chance. Plus as far as I know he didn't join another team?

5) Is there a player that you never wanted him on the team ... but eventually joined the team? Hmm not sure as I'm always welcome for players to join the Wings, but after his first stint, it might be fair to say bringing back Bert left me confused. That being said, boy done good :) Also thinking back on it, why the hell was Sean Avery ever in Detroit?!

#2199882 Why the Detroit Red Wings are headed for a fall

Posted by Wing Across The Pond on 20 July 2011 - 01:39 PM

I don't get why the article seems to think Lidstrom, or Dats, or Z, were good because they were scouted and drafted? Without the Wings organisation training these people year after year, it is the equivalent of an inventor creating the world's more dynamic and ground-breaking invention, then leaving the plans on paper and never putting in the hard work to actually make it. Although top draft pick will get players like Ovi or Crosby, that can well be a mention in the game's best, dedication and hard work in training make champions, a la Lids. Stevie Y could have been THE greatest, but his training (coaches getting on his back to help out on D if I'm not mistaken) helped him lead a team to 3 Stanley Cups, win a Conn Smyth, and become the greatest captain for any hockey team.

#2196073 Brett Lebda traded to Nashville

Posted by Wing Across The Pond on 04 July 2011 - 08:24 AM

Perhaps they're anticipating a move from the Wings for Weber, and their only stipulation would be to include Lebda in the deal. That way Holland would be forced to withdraw his trade offer :ph34r:

#2174328 Jimmy Howard Appreciation Thread

Posted by Wing Across The Pond on 12 May 2011 - 10:54 PM

Hear hear! Going to be a stellar goaltender

#2168288 Wings in Seven

Posted by Wing Across The Pond on 07 May 2011 - 06:12 AM

didn't we have a similar thread last year?

I think the win last night will spur them on more than the blow-out last year. You could see it in their body language when SJ tied it 3-3. It was a look of... Crap we need to do something here, and show we're the better team. Then for arguably the first time this series, all lines clicked and Helm finally showed up with what he can do. I think almost throwing game 4 away is going to give them a bigger kick than when they won game 4 incredibly easily