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#2316945 Ken Holland, Post-Scotty Bowman

Posted by stevkrause on 08 July 2012 - 07:55 AM

99-01, 2nd round loss, 2nd round loss, 1st round loss...
03-07, 1st round loss, 2nd round loss, 1st round loss, 3rd round loss...
Hawks 11-12, 1st round loss, 1st round loss...
Wings drafts from 95-97 (Scotty was director of player personnel), 27 players picked, 8 played at least 1 NHL game, combined total: 415gp, 17g, 47p

We were perfectly capable of some "poor" stretches even with Scotty.

It's a team game, and that goes for the front office as well. I'm sure Scotty was a positive factor, as many others in scouting and management are. All deserve thier fair share of credit, and all their fair share of blame (which IMO is none). You can't say "everyone else" deserves all the credit, but Kenny alone gets all the blame.

One thing all the Kenny bashers seem to be ignoring is the fact that what the Wings are going through now is exactly what the "parity rules" were purposely designed to cause. The draft, the cap, lowering the FA age, etc...all of that designed specifically to prevent teams from being as good as the Wings have been for as long as we have been. In Holland's tenure as GM, every single other team has missed the playoffs at least once. The Wings weren't the only good team in 98, nor were they head and shoulders above the rest of the pack. Colorado, New Jersey, Dallas...all have rebuilt (or are still trying to) since then. Other teams have come and gone.

In 08 we had Hank, Mule, Flip, Hudler, Sammy, Cleary, Stuart, and maybe more that I'm forgetting contributing at a level above thier cap hit. Then we had to start paying people. We lost some guys, and couldn't afford top FAs. When we got some cap space, long-term contracts and/or more competition for 27yo UFAs limited the players available.

Unless you're picking in the top of the first round, you can't expect recent draft picks to add anything. 25 players drafted in 2010 or 11 have played in the NHL. 17 were picked 14th or earlier. Of the other 8, only 3 have played more than 10 games. 3 out of 393. Even the 2009 class is mostly just starting to break in to NHL rosters. 49 of 197 picked 15th or later have played in the NHL, only 15 have played 40 or more games. Average contribution from the 49 so far is 37 games, ~3.8g, 11p. We also haven't had much contribution yet from the 06, 07, or 08 drafts, when Scotty was still here. And there's a lot more NHL regulars from those years now.

Much of our long-term success strategy has been reliance on veterans. That, and lacking top prospects, limit our trade options. A couple years with no cap space limited them further. This last year, when we had space and some assests we could trade, almost no one was on the market and prices for many that were rumored to be were apparently too high for anyone to pay, given the lack of trades.

In short, this is how it's supposed to work. If you think Scotty, or anyone else, would have made any real difference, you're not being reasonable.


#2316751 Sign Jurcina or Vandermeer and call it a day

Posted by stevkrause on 07 July 2012 - 12:49 PM

go to espn under who's left half way down the page you'll find Brian Campbell ufa.

He's signed until like 2016... espn is about as credible for hockey as a crack head for financial advice :)

#2316696 Def trade on the horizon

Posted by stevkrause on 07 July 2012 - 08:52 AM

Can we get some people on record calling Cleary dead weight, so when he bounces back and has another 20 goal year, you can all eat crow? The guy is a warrior who gives it his all night in and night out and was still one of our best forwards come playoff time DESPITE playing on knees that were basically held together by twine and bubble gum... He had successful surgery and will come back with a bang this year, mark my words, and you can even bookmark this post.

#2316609 Sign Jurcina or Vandermeer and call it a day

Posted by stevkrause on 06 July 2012 - 10:23 PM

First off, everyone get off the ledge.

We didn't lose out because we're falling apart, or because Kenny didn't do his job, we didn't get the key FA because THEY chose to play together and WHERE they wanted to play and were going there regardless of what everyone else offered them, or because someone gave them an OBSCENE contract, with way too much term (*cough* Carle *cough*) that they did not deserve, that we do not need killing our team in the short, or long term... especially with a new CBA coming, that could freeze the cap. This is not an eternal ceiling that keeps going up and will continue to go up, nor should it be.

Once the top FA were gone, the market this year falls off... drastically. When this happens, a good team, with a good GM, does not panic and then reach and sign unnecessary contracts, to marginal players, that hurt their team in the short or long term. They stay the course.

Holland is a damn good GM. period.

Now, we're all allowed to be upset, dissapointed and even downright pissed that this off season didn't go the way we all wanted and NO one hates the Tootoo signing more than me... but TRUST your GM. You got the best there is in the game and you should be god damn thankful you do and stop being a spoiled, pissy little brat who doesn't appreciate everything they have gotten, or have, because they didn't get the toy they wanted that year... there will be new toys and you'll probably get those too, so get the f' over yourself and stop telling daddy you hate him and he's the worst dad ever, just because you didn't get a unicorn that never existed in the first place.

Now, things didn't go the way we wanted, so you formulate an action plan... you don't trade away half your roster for a primadona who is goverened by a nutjob that doesn't even realize that 7 draft picks > 1 draft pick, or reach for a replacement to arguably the best (and unarguably top 2) defenseman to ever play the game and trade away too much looking for something you'll never find. There is no replacement to Nick. Probably ever. You do the best you can to adjust, not replace...

Holland is a damn good GM. period.

With that said, we have some young players who are ready to show what they have... there may be some growing pains, but if there was ever the time, it's now.

Once Quincey signs, that will put us at 6 NHL dmen, you sign a big, shot blocker (Jurcina or Vandermeer) as the 7th to a one year deal and let them battle it out in camp for the spots and you give Smith, Ericsson and Kindl ALL a chance to put that extra body in the press box when everyone's healthy.

As for forwards, unless a trade that ACTUALLY makes sense comes across, you stand pat and have faith in the system and, once again, the young guys. Let Nyquist, Brunner, Tatar, Shehan and even Brunnstrom (he's in the process of signing according to reports) come to camp and PROVE they belong, then you give them the spot and give them the faith, without having to look over their shoulders, or going to camp knowing they don't even have a chance to make the team. You put your faith in them, give them the responsibility and the confidence and most importantly... the ice time.

Finally, by doing all of this, you don't handcuff yourself for one year, while in panic mode, when you have a season coming up, in which Iginla, Perry, Getzlaf, Horton, Weiss, Clarkson, Weber, Timonen, Whitney, etc, etc, etc... may be free agents (some may re-sign, but others certainly will not)... oh yea, not to mention several of your own that need to be re-signed and will probably be commanding raises...

This is not a sprint, it is a marathon, have faith and always remember... Holland is a damn good GM. period.

#2315445 Young Guns

Posted by stevkrause on 05 July 2012 - 12:47 AM

The thing that concerns me is the lack of D prospects that are anywhere near ready... If the DeKeyser rumors are true (NHL ready, already picked the Wings as his destination) that makes me feel a little better, but Lashoff needs to take a big step in his development this year and we need Sproul, Nicastro, Oulette and even Backman to take big steps in their development... As for forwards, I feel we're in fantastic shape (Pulk, Jarnkok, Shehan, etc, etc, etc) and as far as goalie, we got a STUD in our system as far as I'm concerned, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Mrazek was pushing Jimmy for the starting gig in 2 years, and although this may sound crazy and even a little reckless, I wouldn't have had a problem with him getting a shot in camp this year to take the backup job from Joey, obviously the signing of Gus changed that, but I genuinely believe Mrazek will be GR's starter sooner, rather than later, and force the Wings hand to bring him up at some point, plus, if Gus does well, we could have a HELL of a good problem to have and some great trade assets in a goalie starved league...

#2315409 The Next Move

Posted by stevkrause on 04 July 2012 - 11:33 PM

This place is downright comical right now... :lol:

#2314945 The Next Move

Posted by stevkrause on 04 July 2012 - 03:31 PM

Kill everyone, burn down the city, arghhhhhhhhh


#2314816 We Need to Trade

Posted by stevkrause on 04 July 2012 - 02:10 PM

I think it's going to come completely out of left field and be a trade for someone we haven't even been talking about...

#2314775 We Need to Trade

Posted by stevkrause on 04 July 2012 - 01:22 PM

i know its far fetched and it wont happen but anyways ...

evander kane and bogosian for franzen quincey and tatar

keith yandle for kindl,nyquist and a 1st

bobby ryan for filppula ,emmerton and pulkkinen

brunner datsyuk ryan

zetterberg kane bertuzzi

eaves helm samuelsson

cleary abdelkader tootoo

yandle kronwall
white ericsson
bogosian smith

I know it's a holiday, but it's still too early to be THAT drunk

#2314075 Red Wings Sign Jordin Tootoo to 3-yr deal, $1.9M/yr

Posted by stevkrause on 03 July 2012 - 11:38 PM

For someone who isn't a good hockey player, he had more points last season than in any season Eaves has had in the past five years. Tootoo isn't a goon. He can actually play hockey. Everyone ******* about not having a fighter or toughness on this team and we get a guy who is the epitome of that and people ***** because he isn't their favorite knuckle dragger.

Get over it. He makes this team better and harder to play against.

He's just SUCH a turd and hadn't played with honor... He's wearing the winged wheel now, so of course I'll root for him, but it leaves a bad taste... Like fanta...

#2312878 Bobby Ryan

Posted by stevkrause on 02 July 2012 - 01:15 PM

I also think Kindl is a much better player than most give him credit for.


I would trade either Franzen or Flip in a heartbeat for Ryan. He's 25 with 4 straight 30 goal seasons and no albatross of a contract. With Dats or Z feeding him, that's a no-brainer. (in MY book....don't flame me, Flip or Mule lovers..)

Although it would sadden me to see him go, and I'd do everything to make it Mule instead of Flip, I would have to agree.

#2312831 Still no decision from Suter. Speculation abounds.

Posted by stevkrause on 02 July 2012 - 12:14 PM

How does eklund still even have a voice in hockey? the guy is a total joke.

When there's guys like McKenzie and Dreger out there, I don't know why anyone would give Eklund a second thought, other than a need for drama or something.

Politics, the whole MTV lineup, tabloids, TMZ, etc...

stupid people love stupid people and the drama that surrounds them?
That's the only answer I have...

#2312189 Red Wings Sign Mikael Samuelsson to 2-yr, $6m deal (w/full NTC)

Posted by stevkrause on 01 July 2012 - 06:00 PM

Today went from exciting, to a bad dream.

#2312183 Red Wings Sign Jordin Tootoo to 3-yr deal, $1.9M/yr

Posted by stevkrause on 01 July 2012 - 05:59 PM

Worst signing of Holland's tenure... I hate this

#2311171 CRAZZZZYYY Roster Idea

Posted by stevkrause on 29 June 2012 - 03:57 PM

I'd take Giordano over Bouwmeester and any NHL player over Semin but other than that it's a solid looking lineup.

Being kinda sarcastic about Semin but my fellow Semin haters get where i'm coming from. :)

We don't need first round picks anyway, we get our talent in the late rounds.

I don't think Calgary would move Gio, but I'd be down with that too...

As for the picks, well played, haha :)