Rivalries today just don't seem the same as they were 15 plus years ago.
No they're not. I remember a few years ago during the playoffs, tough guys were routinely given 10 minute misconducts late in games, even when they didn't do anything. Just to prevent any rough stuff from happening later. In other words, the league will rewrite the rule book to make sure there aren't any brawls.
so Franzen will be "healthy" to start the season, Holland will have to waive players and lose them for nothing, then Franzen will score 5 goals in 10 games and then go back on LTIR after floating around for 25 more games and getting 2 points in those 25 games, and this team will be less a couple of players that they invested tons of time and money into developing....just so Franzen can "play" in a few games.
That is the best scenario I've ever heard!
Keeping all of Ferraro and Callahan and Pulkkinen makes this team MUCH better than letting Franzen even sniff the ice...when will you learn?
That is fine though, give him the roster spot, lose valuable players, when January rolls around and he is playing even worse than last season, you will all turn on him again, and then when I say "told you so," you will scorch me up and down and make up stories that I only dislike him when its to my advantage and that my friends, uncle, sister, aunts, dad, mom, dog, cat, pig, iguana's doctor said that Helm is a Barbie doll...
Red Wings with Franzen = Garbage
This is true, but Holland has shown too much loyalty to former players to throw Franzen out. Even Cleary is still associated with this team.
It happened. So it's not impossible. Probable? No. I don't see the Wings finishing as a lower seed this year anyway. But I'm not going to throw in the towel in the playoffs if they do. I'm sure the Tampa players wouldn't call the Red Wings a s***ty team last year. Are you really a Wings fan GMR? Even some of the Tampa players said the Detroit series was tougher than their series with the Habs and Rangers were. I get it that it's the cool thing here to bash the Red Wings and then say you're just being objective and realistic. But you need to acknowledge the good things about this team too which is my whole point. Why even be a Red Wings fan if you're going to call them a s***ty team? Its not like they are coming off a season finishing 30th in the league. Any team which wins a Cup has to be talented, healthy and a bit lucky. It was no different for the Wings cup winning teams. The current Wings team is not at this level. But s***ty? You're a s***ty Red Wings fan for saying that. Show the team you say you cheer for some respect here.
LOL. Take it easy. We're only s***ty compared to the 2012 Kings. You brought that team up. We're average compared to the rest of the league. Average doesn't mean you're a Cup contender. Neither does pushing an eventual SCF team in the first round. Nashville was our toughest series in 2008. Were they a cup contender? How about Vancouver in 2002? A first round loss means you're pretty average.
I'm going to go on record as saying an 8th seed can't win the Cup. Not "can't" as in a mathematical truth, or a scientific law. But "can't" in the practical sense of the word. If you're betting on the NHL playoffs, and you're regularly betting on the 8th seed, you are stupid. They aren't going to win. They did once, and so dummies will repeat "get into the playoffs and anything can happen", but the truth is that it can't...or at least won't. The fact that it happened in the extremest of minority times proves that it's possible, but it's so improbable that it might as well be a closed topic.
It's like when the Red Sox came back from three games down against the Yankees, and then went on to win the World Series. Sure, they did it. It's possible. But it's so improbable as to be almost entirely useless as any sort of example.
I think it can happen again and probably will in the next decade or so. But I don't think a team that can't score goals and gives up two breakaways a game in the playoffs is going to be that team.
This is a little misleading. A lot of these prospects aren't known for physicality and many of them are Euros. Being tall by itself doesn't make you a force to play against.
For instance, Drew Miller is 6'2, but he's not a tougher physical presence than the much shorter Tootoo. Franzen is 6'3, but has always played like a wuss. Guys like Callahan and Ferraro are barely 6'0 tall, and they play a physical style.
I just don't know how you can blame Howard for not being good enough all year, then argue that average goaltenders are good enough lol
Average goaltenders are good enough if there's a better team in front of them than what we have.
But this is moot, as Howard was outplayed by Mrazek. If Mrazek sucked all year, Howard wouldn't have gotten as much hate. But this was a case where a better goalie was ready to come out.
And before you go there, yes we lost in the first round with Mrazek. We wouldn't have likely won a game against Tampa with Howard in net. We just need to build a better team. Sadly, we won't have a team like LA or Chicago where you can win with pedestrian goaltending (Quick was average in the 2014 Cup run).
To play devil's advocate, don't you consistently argue that the Wings can't advance past the early rounds of the playoffs precisely because Howard can't hack it and win them a series?
If we had a great roster in front of him, Howard could continue to be average, and we'd advance through the playoffs. But we haven't had a great roster in a while, so we've needed something a bit better in net if we wanted to progress. We didn't get it from him.
But if we're strictly talking about building teams, I'd go for a defenseman, then centerman and then a goalie. As I said, there's a lot of capable goalies nowadays that could win with a top roster in front of them. It's easy to develop goalies, but building a team around them isn't so easy with the cap.
Sorry, but no one's winning cups with backups. Great goalies are almost never traded these days because of how valuable they are. They pretty much never hit FA either. And they're still plenty of teams without legit goaltending and they almost exclusively suck.
Those teams are behind the times.
So is a team like New York and Montreal. They have the two best goalies in the league, but their rosters come up short in the playoffs. If they had a slightly better roster at the expense of spending a little less on their goalies, they could make a deeper playoff run.