Pittsburgh is Steelers and Pirates territory. If the Pens aren't winning, they don't care about them. I remember being in Pitt for all-states in 2009 (coinciding with the start of the playoffs). My Zetterberg jersey got lots of dirty looks. When we went to a Pirates game (a 20-0 loss to the Brewers), the guy behind me started talking smack to me due to the Konstantinov jersey. My response was "If you suffered through the dark days of Dickie Tarnstrom leading the Pens in scoring from the blue line we can have a great conversation about hockey, if you're a Crosby bandwagoner zip it because you can't spell Crosby without sob and cry."
His buddy started laughing and said "the Wings fan knows more about the Pens than you ever will". We ended up having a nice discussion during the game, they bought us several rounds and recommended some good places to watch hockey. They also said that it's a bandwagon hockey city.
And now a prime Dick Tarnstrom would be one of our better defensemen.
Tangradi and "enforcer" don't belong in the same sentence. He may be big, but he hasn't even fought 10 games in almost 150 NHL games. The highest number of fighting majors he's had in an NHL season is 2.
That said, he likely won't make the team, but could be a call-up if injuries hit. Basically an AHL depth signing.
He could still probably beat up any fighter on our team.
Next year there aren't many flashy names. I'd say Ozzie and Lindros both go in and the hockey world EXPLODES.
Lindros will get in. It's a matter of time. Osgood, I'm not sure about. I'd be shocked if he makes it next year.
These players are not alike either. One was a driver. The other, a passenger.
Come to think of it, though, if Housley is in the HOF, why can't Osgood be? Osgood also accumulated stats and was never one of the best players at his position. And unlike Housley, he's had some big team successes.
I have a feeling Housley will be used as precedent in tons of arguments for players getting into the HHOF.
Housley and Niedermayer are in, but Zubov isn't? Lindros isn't? etc.
I don't think Osgood should get into the HHOF for similar reasons that I think Housley shouldn't be in there. Osgood had a good long career and was an accumulator, but was never considered among the elite.
Cam Neely and Housley both. One was great but didn't play very long. He got Bure into the HOF and Lindros will likely join them. Maybe Kariya too.
Housley scored a ton of points, but was never an elite defenseman at any point and never won anything in his career. He will get in players like Andreychuk, and maybe even Turgeon.
The HOF committee needs to realize that a lot of these 1,000+ scorers from the 80's and early 90's are guys who accumulated these stats because of the era they played in. That doesn't by itself mean Housley should be in. He's in the Hall of very good (offensively) and I don't want to take away from his being a great offensive defenseman. But his points are inflated, and his defensive skills shouldn't get him in the Hall. I can't think of any defenseman in the HOF that I would choose him over.
Osgood was rarely the best goalie on his own team, let alone the league at any given time in his career. I guarantee he doesn't get into the hall, and as far as I am concerned being in the hall is a prerequisite for your jersey being retired.
The problem Osgood has, as I've stated before, is his poor record in Vezina trophy votes as compared to his peers. I believe he only finished in top 5 for Vezina trophy voting once. He doesn't rank as one of the 5 best goalies of his generation, which doesn't help either.
A very good goalie who won a lot of games and several Cups, but not quite elite enough to make the HHOF. But you never know with the voters picking Housley over Makarov or Lindros.
Are you living in the past? Abby hits everything that moves, he battles for pucks goes into corners, and is coming off a 23 goal 44 point season. Not to mention this is a contract year for him, so he may even put up 55 points
44 points is good for a 1st liner playing with Z and Nyqyist?
Maybe in a lockout shortened season it is. A talented winger would have scored more than 44 points on the first line with two talented linemates like he had. I won't deny that he battles for pucks and plays hard, but a 1st liners top priority should be putting up lots of points.
Joel Ward is good but he made 3 million last year. We can't afford to and shouldn't spend 3 million on a 3rd-4th line player.
Miller is underrated. He is actually a pretty big body, gently nudges everyone into the boards, and comes pretty cheap.
It's laughable at how people complain about Holland doing nothing in years past, and now he goes out a makes some deals today, and some people still complain.
Holland signed one of the biggest d-man F/A's today, then picks up an UPGRADE over Weiss, for only one year, and people still aren't happy.
I'm 100% happy with what Holland did today. Well done, sir!
I liked the Green signing and said so. Not sure about this one. I feel like we did this with Modano and Weiss. Past his prime, small left-handed centerman. Not coming here to score goals or be a game breaker.
Not as excited about this signing as Green. We've seen this story before me thinks.
A good signing. I know he can't play defense, but we have plenty of defensive minded defenseman. We just needed one person who can actually move the puck and shoot the puck well. Kronwall has regressed with his shooting.