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#2614423 Retire Sergei Fedorovís Jersey Immediately

Posted by kickazz on 15 June 2015 - 04:38 AM

 

 

 

What I want to know is this.....please explain to me how retiring Datsyuk's jersey is "lowering the bar". How is he less deserving then Delvecchio, Lindsey, and Abel?

 

 

Lindsay -

 

11 all star appearances

1 Art Ross trophy winner

4 stanley cups

Named 1st all star team 7 times

Lead league in goals, assists, and points in different seasons

 

Delveccio -

 

13 all star appearances

3 Lady Bing trophies

3 Stanley cups

25 seasons with the Red Wings - Played with no other team in the league

1281 total points in career

 

Abel -

Lead league in goals 48/49 

3 All star appearances

3 Stanley cups

1 Hart Trophy

 

Each of them has more all star appearances (Abel had just as many), more stanley cups, has either an art ross or hart trophy, or passed the thousand point mark. The point is they've done something unique. Extremely unique. 

 

Datsyuk hasn't won a Hart, an Art Ross, nor has he gotten to the "3 cups" mark. You're right, there weren't many teams and hence competition was less. But what's also true is the players now are more skilled and its a faster game and Datsyuk was born into this fast era and is a part of it. The league has changed but so has the skill set of the players.

 

Now just to play devils advocate- If Pav truly was a generational player (I personally believe he was in terms of his stick handling) then how come he wasn't elected to the all star game more than 4 times in his 13 seasons? How come he was never named onto the 1st all star team? Now the question arises, was he truly generational then? What really defines generational?

 

Fedorov had 6 all star appearances, named 1st all star team, won 3 cups, 2 Selkes, 1 Hart Trophy, 1 Ted Lindsay award. He's technically achieved more in 13 years with the red wings than Datsyuk has in his 13 years. Sergei Fedorov achieved almost every item that Lindsay, Adel and Delveccio achieved individually! In terms of achievements, he's even closer than Pav. But what screwed Sergei? He left the franchise. Screwed the loyalty card over. Something that Abel, Delveccio, Lindsay DID have and actually still do. I see Ted Lindsay at tons of Red Wings games even to this day. I was at his book signing 3 years ago at the Joe before a game. 

 

The point is in the old era, these guys, they did it all. But so did Fedorov, in a newer era. Unfortunately Feds lost on the loyalty card. But if Feds could do it in a newer era then so should the next guy retired in the NEWEST era (year 2004 and beyond). On paper Pav doesn't really fit the category. Had he ended up winning the Hart Trophy in 2009 I'd probably say he's a shoe in. If he wins another cup (as many as the other guys up on the rafters, I'd also say he's a shoe in. For now tho all I can say is he "has a pretty good shot". And the loyalty he has for the org and love from the fans gives him a better chance than it does for Feds. I can't see Illitch retiring #91 when so many fans dislike the guy. It would be pretty awkward. But still their decision so who knows.  

 

So now back to this "bar" thing - 

 

It seems like guys up on the rafters have (1) - atleast 3 cups. (2)- Had organizational loyalty, and (3)- won unique individual awards. 

 

Fedorov has the cups and won the awards but lost on the loyalty.

 

Datsyuk has 2 cups, organizational loyalty (we almost freaked out in 2013 thinking he'd leave us for Russia and lots of fans had great disdrain towards Datsyuk for that), and zero MVPs or point/goal scoring titles. Ok well say the 3 Selkes are pretty frickin awsome. So he's ok on the awards stuff. 

 

So Feds doesn't meet the bar (threshold) because he didn't meet #(2) and Datsyuk doesn't meet the bar (threshold) because he didn't meet #(1). 

 

Given all that, I think Datsyuk is closer to having his jersey retired than Feds because he still has a shot at another cup and building upon his legacy. Feds? Well that guy left us and hes long retired from the NHL. There's no changing his case. It's already written. 




#2614232 2015 SCF : Chicago Blackhawks vs. Tampa Bay Lightning

Posted by RedWingsRox on 13 June 2015 - 07:44 PM

Sharp with an empty net goal at 6:11 in the 1st period.  




#2614041 NBC Sports chairman wants NHL ban playoff beards

Posted by amato on 11 June 2015 - 06:26 PM


No
Beard
Channel


#2613933 Jeff Blashill named 27th head coach in Red Wings history

Posted by Detroit # 1 Fan on 11 June 2015 - 01:13 AM

What's to stop Chelios from being a great coach?

 

The wings new PK strategy will be to line broken sticks up across the blue-line to stop the opposing team. 

 

The sirdrake days were the best the forums ever seen IMO.




#2613938 Jeff Blashill named 27th head coach in Red Wings history

Posted by Izzy24 on 11 June 2015 - 06:14 AM

There it is!

 

Indeed.

 

 

I've missed these

 

We all have.

 

Plus Juan. Can't believe it took this long :lol:

 

7 years in the making.

 

Didn't you know!! Every great coach in history came out of the womb with NHL coaching experience and never had to get behind the bench as a rookie. "We all got a break and started somewhere"...that's not true for great coaches though. It's a genetically tested for trait. "Learning the ropes"...nah, not great coaches...these guys were SURE THINGS. Duh!!

 

That's what I said (just more succinctly).

 

 

The wings new PK strategy will be to line broken sticks up across the blue-line to stop the opposing team. 

 

The sirdrake days were the best the forums ever seen IMO.

 

It was a great time in our lives.

 

Another strategy is for a player to arch his back and lay over the puck on a delayed penalty, preventing either team from touching it and running out the period (or in the 3rd, the game).

 

:thumbup:




#2613880 NBC Sports chairman wants NHL ban playoff beards

Posted by unsaddleddonald on 10 June 2015 - 01:19 PM

Someone should tell this Chairman that the NHL season doesn't start in January.   ;)
 
I don't think NBC realizes that.


Not sure it would matter.

The Stanley Cup Finals were pushed to NBCSN in favor of American Ninja Warrior on Monday. Pretty sure tonight's game is also on NBCSN.

Shows how NBC feels about hockey...


#2613831 Jeff Blashill named 27th head coach in Red Wings history

Posted by Izzy24 on 10 June 2015 - 07:53 AM

What's to stop Chelios from being a great coach?




#2613062 2015 SCF : Chicago Blackhawks vs. Tampa Bay Lightning

Posted by darkmanx on 03 June 2015 - 09:44 PM

Game

 

Series




#2612661 2015 SCF : Chicago Blackhawks vs. Tampa Bay Lightning

Posted by nyqvististhefuture on 01 June 2015 - 07:54 AM

Can't believe tampa made it to the finals after we gave them the series with a goalie who's greatly overrated

And I didn't want Chicago to win, wanted a new winner .... The 2 teams I didn't want to win ... I can honestly say I'll be watching the nba finals hoping lebron loses over watching the nhl finals this year


#2612207 WCF : (3) Chicago Blackhawks vs. (1) Anaheim Ducks

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 30 May 2015 - 08:48 PM

This entire playoff season has been a nightmare. Literally hot 4 day old barf in a plastic wastebasket.


#2611464 ECF : Tampa Bay Former Rangers vs. New York New Rangers

Posted by amato on 29 May 2015 - 08:48 PM

Still going with 7-6 Tampa.. gunna be a crazy third period.


#2610978 ECF : Tampa Bay Former Rangers vs. New York New Rangers

Posted by amato on 28 May 2015 - 07:49 AM

Tampa wins 7-6 in OT.


#2610755 WCF : (3) Chicago Blackhawks vs. (1) Anaheim Ducks

Posted by Hockeytown0001 on 27 May 2015 - 11:41 PM

The NHL is a Ducks/Lighting win away from ratings hell. 




#2610375 WCF : (3) Chicago Blackhawks vs. (1) Anaheim Ducks

Posted by Helmethead on 26 May 2015 - 09:47 AM

I think the Wings are one of the best teams in the league at ripping the shot over or wide of the net. I wonder if there will be Corsi stats on this in the future. Lol


#2610064 Ovechkin Top 5 Goal Scorer all time?

Posted by FireCaptain on 25 May 2015 - 05:38 PM

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What Bro? I can't hear you! LOLZ.

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