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#2441303 Nyquist taking things in stride, with class

Posted by F.Michael on 03 October 2013 - 09:33 AM

He knows his GM and coach have lost their marbles.   

It gets me to think - what's keeping Nyquist, and Tartar from demanding a trade?


What's so 'special' about being a Red Wing when you're stuck in GR, and guys like Bert/Sammy/Cleary are taking up roster spots?


If I were either of those 2 - I'd be pretty damn pissed off at Holland.

#2440993 10/2 GDT : Sabres 1 at Red Wings 2

Posted by sputman on 02 October 2013 - 08:25 PM

Emmerton stole my shootout move...

#2440996 10/2 GDT : Sabres 1 at Red Wings 2

Posted by Electrophile on 02 October 2013 - 08:26 PM

Edzo must have a Sasha Grey video cued up for commercial breaks if he's using phrases like "gaping hole."

#2440217 So....did Cleary just take Tatar's spot?

Posted by Nev on 01 October 2013 - 03:33 PM

Heard the same thing when Flieschman and Matthias left, heard it countless times.


This same argument is had every year when a promising youngster sits the pine to a vet. In fact it happened last summer with these same names.


The difference is that at this point Tatar and Nyquist are our best forward prospects since probably Hudler and Filpulla in the mid-2000's, and in the long run one or both of them may turn out to be better.  Huds and Flip were also battling to get a spot on a far superior roster than we have now.


I don't actually have much against Bert, Cleary, Miller, Eaves, Tootoo, even Sammy.  I do have a problem with all of them together, plus Emmerton as well who is clearly not an NHL player.  One of Miller or Eaves.  One of Bert or Cleary.  Emmerton in the AHL where he belongs.  We've got a collection of bit-part players - every squad has to have them to fill out their roster in the cap world.  Problem is, they're not filling out the roster, they're half the roster, and they're keeping better players out.


Bert-Andersson-Cleary may not be the worst line in the NHL but it sure as hell is the slowest.  I fear for Andersson without the dynamism of Nyquist and Brunnner Tatar on his wings.

#2439812 Emmerton on Waivers

Posted by Euro_Twins on 29 September 2013 - 01:41 PM

I think Emmerton's value on the PK is being under appreciated here a bit. He deserves a bit of respect for that.

That being said, he's a replaceable. But I'm confused: how would swapping Emmerton with Glendenning relieve the cap and roster squeeze?

I'm a bit tired of everyone saying "x" player is under appreciated on the pk... Eaves, miller, emmerton are all decent on th pk but they aren't "great" if we had all these great pk guys, do you think our pk would have been as bad as it was last year. Sorry but emmerton needs to go, he provides nothing useful, any minor contributions he may have are easily replaced by our prospects

#2439746 Are teams going to "bait" us into fighting?

Posted by RyanBarnes! on 29 September 2013 - 09:51 AM

That's less a function of being "intimidated", more a function of our post-Lidstrom/Rafalski defence being unable to handle the puck under pressure.  Quincey, Lashoff and especially Smith were forechecked relentlessly in the playoffs because they kept making mistakes when pressured.

Red Wings have always been vulnerable to physically strong teams like The Ducks in 2003 and the Flames in 2004. They wouldnt allow the Red Wings to enter the slot but limited our forwards to perimeter shots. So did the Preds in 2012. I think that even during the Lidstrom era teams tried to forecheck high, only it was obviously more difficult then.

#2439307 HBO 24/7

Posted by 55fan on 27 September 2013 - 12:32 PM

I wonder if they'll show Cleary smoking weed on the show?  I know his eyes don't look like that from too much swimming.   :1eye: 

I think the one eye got goofy from his fight with Pronger.  I also recall that Cleary is allergic to shaving cream. 


Too bad we don't have an enforcer who is also a part time barber. 

#2439092 Wings to Keep Tootoo?

Posted by hillbillywingsfan on 26 September 2013 - 07:51 AM



Like when? Kronwall is one of the hardest hitters in the league, but I can't remember the last time this had an appreciable effect upon anything but the crowd and the guy who got hit.

I hope you really don't think that a big hit or a big fight doesn't spark a team or really have an effect. Besides if you are correct and all it does is get the crowd fired up...do you not agree that even having a crowd behind you all fired up helps a team? Or is it all these years when they rank hardest barns to play at just fluff and it means nothing?

#2436643 Cleary re-signs with Detroit, 1 year, $1.75m deal

Posted by kylee on 14 September 2013 - 05:48 PM

Cleary to wear #71. He's our Evgeni Malkin.

#2436623 Cleary re-signs with Detroit, 1 year, $1.75m deal

Posted by GoWings1905 on 14 September 2013 - 03:23 PM

Going to be weird seeing Cleary in 71. Fitting conclusion to this entire saga.

Did he choose 71 because his knees are that old?

#2436453 So....did Cleary just take Tatar's spot?

Posted by Dabura on 13 September 2013 - 08:38 AM

To be fair:


- This isn't exactly the first time Tatar's been, shall we say, snubbed.


- He's been proving himself for how long now? What else is left for him to prove? He was a monster for the Griffins in their Calder run, and he was named the MVP for his efforts. So, what, does he need to be an even more valuabe MVP?


- It's not like he held a press conference. I actually think Sarah is slightly at fault here; she probably shouldn't have said what she did.


- If this were any other organization, any other one, this wouldn't even be an issue.


- What happened to the "youth movement"? Isn't building and promoting from within our bread and butter?


- Ultimately, yeah, like I said, Tatar probably has some *issues*. But, again, he's friggin' 22. You know what other 22-year-old pro hockey player has *issues*?


Coyotes GM 'not happy' with absent Ekman-Larsson


- It's easy for us to wag our fingers at Tatar and tsk tsk him. But if you were in his shoes, I think you'd probably be pissed.

#2436390 So....did Cleary just take Tatar's spot?

Posted by Detroit # 1 Fan on 12 September 2013 - 09:16 PM

I love Dano, and I'm happy he's back for the sheer fact we share a similar bloodline, but Tatar needs to play this season. The guy was the friggin AHL playoff MVP at 22 years old. See, I know I'm no NHL GM or anything, but that screams "NHL READY" to me. Nyquist and Tatar should be playing with Zetterberg and Datsyuk to learn how to be good pros, and maybe even stars. The same way Zetterberg and Datsyuk learned from Hull, Shanahan and Yzerman. It's a transition phase, we're gonna see even more of it when Jurco, Pulkkinen and Frk are ready... Oh ya and f*** you Sammy for still being on the team!!!

#2436379 So....did Cleary just take Tatar's spot?

Posted by fixxxer on 12 September 2013 - 08:37 PM

...I am speechless that Ken Holland is dumb enough to sign Cleary what a waste of a decent off season. I'm embarrassed for Holland complete lack of self control to sign these types of players.

#2436184 So....did Cleary just take Tatar's spot?

Posted by Guest on 12 September 2013 - 12:30 PM

Tatar deserves to be on this team


Cleary does not


end of story

#2435918 Report: Cleary to sign with PHI, 3 yrs, $2.75m/yr, NTC

Posted by gcom007 on 11 September 2013 - 07:52 PM

This is bizarre.


If they do end up losing Tatar over this, my mind is going to be blown, but I don't even know if I'll have the emotional energy to get angry. s*** like this is just not surprising anymore, and that's sad. I've defended and criticized Cleary in the past and in this thread, and while I think he still has value at the right price, I think it'd be nuts to end up losing someone like Tatar so you can get Cleary in his last few years when he's already been on a serious decline. He had a great playoffs, but he's had terrible playoffs in the past too. Again, somewhere in the $1-2 million range is what Cleary should get if he signs with the Wings, and it should only be if it means not losing or further alienating some of your top prospects.


In any event, again, this is just a bizarre situation at this point.