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#2433876 Keep Tootoo, Drop Cleary

Posted by hillbillywingsfan on 22 August 2013 - 08:11 PM

Regarding the inevitable fighting discussion, I think there's a distinction to be made between preventing all out cheapshots a la Matt Cooke, and being a deterrent to guys running around and agitating all game without having to answer for it.  One example that comes to mind is when Bertuzzi fought Shane O'Brien twice in the same game against the Predators a couple seasons ago.
They were running the Wings all game.  After that, not so much.  Having a guy that plays 6 minutes a night to fight isn't as much of a deterrent anymore, but if you have someone playing fairly regularly who's also willing to drop the gloves, I think that absolutely can be a deterrent.  Many times I've seen an agitator throttle back a little bit after the prospect of getting punched in the face becomes a real threat. It shows you won't be pushed around, and no one likes getting punched in the face. 
Some thoughts from Wings players and coach after that Predators game, which I think explains the concept well.


I think staged fights are mostly garbage. A side spectacle by enforcers who usually don't have much else to offer. But players sticking up for themselves and keeping from getting run, or the "keeping the flies off" as Babcock puts it, yes please.

That being said, I don't think Tootoo provides a ton of deterrent. He plays such a limited role on the team, I'm guessing because when he's most effective hitting and agitating is also when he's least effective defensively. And while he's a good fighter given his size, I don't think he puts the fear into many people, other than being afraid he'll suckerpunch you.

Your feelings towards tootoo have not changed since he was on nashville example what was bolded. Did he sucker anyone while playing with the wings so far? so you saying tootoo is pretty much worthless I feel you are not giving him a fair shake and really seeing what he brings and how he could help in games like the chicago series where the wings started to get bullied around because no one wanted to stand up. Tootoo played with a ton of heart every shift out there and if you and others didn't see that I'm not sure what else to say. He went non stop every shift hitting everything trying to score..trying to make plays. I compare him to Helm with his heart of the game. Like a lion. Of course he doesn't have helms skill really but I would take 100 players like that over players like miller,eaves or emmerton. There were a ton of times I didn't even know Miller or Emmerton was even on the ice. When Tootoo is out there everyone on the ice and in the stands knows he is there.

#2433338 Preds Managemant Charging Hawks Fans Double

Posted by DickieDunn on 15 August 2013 - 04:21 AM

How will they know if you're a hawks fan or not? If you buy a preds fan ticket and wear a hawks jersey do they not let you in? Do they check to see if you wear hawks shirt under another shirt? This is just stupidity

Good point.  How do they know what team you're a fan of other than what you're wearing?  

They ask you to name 10 hockey players. If you get it right they know you're not a Preds fsn

#2433261 Preds Managemant Charging Hawks Fans Double

Posted by Euro_Twins on 14 August 2013 - 11:26 AM

Looks like the Wings moved east in the nick of time.  Preds are forcing Hawks fans to buy a ticket to a non-Hawks game if they want to see the Hawks play in Nashville.  Seems to me this is going to backfire on them.  Looks like revenue sharing and Wings and Hawks fans being the only reason that team has lasted this long isn't enough for them.  It also seems to me that this is going to have a very negative effect on the local businesses as well.  
Is it me or is this a "What the hell are they thinking" move?

How will they know if you're a hawks fan or not? If you buy a preds fan ticket and wear a hawks jersey do they not let you in? Do they check to see if you wear hawks shirt under another shirt? This is just stupidity

#2432583 So the consensus on Shanny's #14 is a no?

Posted by Wings_Dynasty on 06 August 2013 - 06:02 AM




Name one that Delvechhio won.

Ok, here's his Wikipedia page summarized down to the reasons he is up there and Shanny won't be. Bolded areas are of particular distinction. 


He would go on to excel both at centre and left wing for twenty-two full seasons and parts of two others, and was notable for his spot on the Production line. No player except Nicklas Lidström in NHL history played more games with just the one team. One of the true gentlemen in the game of hockey, he was a three-time winner of the Lady Byng Trophy for combining good sportsmanship with excellence on the ice. 

Following his retirement as a player in 1973—having, at the time, played the second most games and with the second highest assist and point totals in league history

At the time of his retirement, he ranked second in nearly every significant offensive category in Red Wings history behind only Howe. He has since been passed in most of those categories by Steve Yzerman, but only Howe and Lidström have played more games as a Red Wing.


So besides the 3 Lady Byngs and being basically the second greatest non-goaltending Red Wing (behind his linemate Gordie Freakin' Howe) until Yzerman and Lidstrom finished their careers he has no other reason to be up there. 

#2431630 Wings Attempting to Re-sign Cleary

Posted by amato on 27 July 2013 - 09:22 AM

1. wait for new post in cleary thread

2. click in hopes of seeing he was signed to another team

3. disappointment

4. repeat 



#2431106 Each NHL Team's Mount Rushmore

Posted by DickieDunn on 22 July 2013 - 04:03 AM

Nah.  It's an interesting topic no matter which sport one is discussing.   

No point in making a Mt. Rushmore for football.  They're all stoned already.

Ditto for NBA

#2431104 Each NHL Team's Mount Rushmore

Posted by 55fan on 22 July 2013 - 02:58 AM


Nah.  It's an interesting topic no matter which sport one is discussing.   

No point in making a Mt. Rushmore for football.  They're all stoned already.

#2430947 Schedule Release?

Posted by WingsAlways on 20 July 2013 - 09:41 AM

Metropolitan division....


It was originally planned to be called the Metrosexual division due to a certain Pittsburgh Penguin...

#2430929 Fedorov: ‘We had the chance’ to bring Datsyuk to KHL

Posted by Nev on 20 July 2013 - 02:05 AM

Like it wasn't enough when they took my boy Bykov from us in 2003.


I'll never forgive Russia for that.  


Word.  No way Lids three-peats as Norris winner without Dmitri.

#2430894 Each NHL Team's Mount Rushmore

Posted by T.Low on 19 July 2013 - 07:15 PM

You know a lot more about NHL history than I do.

The only thing I would change would be to add Garth Butcher on to Vancouver's. Mainly because he is an acquaintance of mine. Ha ha

#2430730 Stars for Cup Wins

Posted by TheXym on 18 July 2013 - 11:13 PM

Even though I don't like Soccer, there's not much of an argument to be made about it's worldwide popularity. It is hands down the number one sport on the planet, nothing even comes close to comparison. 
I don't like the idea of any logo alteration but maybe "ticks" on the jersey sleeve or something would be cool. In the military you get a small stripe on the lower left sleeve for every 3 years of service, so maybe something along those lines for each cup won in franchise history. It doesn't have to be all that noticeable or large but something to permanently represent that team's history integrated on the jersey would be interesting.

I think the Islanders had 4 small stripes on their jerseys at one point in the late 90's-early 2000's to represent their four championships.

#2430392 Alfredsson and the #11

Posted by Hey man nice shot! on 16 July 2013 - 04:57 PM

Or if Cleary is signed after the season starts alfie will already have the number

Or if he never comes back at all....we won't have a problem:)

#2429984 Henrik and Pavel

Posted by Opie on 14 July 2013 - 08:38 AM

I think Hank and Dats are great players, not on par with Feds skill wise.

I think Hank and Dats are greater Red Wings than Feds, if that makes sense.


I think none of them belong in the rafters at the Joe.


Look at the last two names put up there, all world players and leaders, and two of the greatest Wings ever.


People forget not only was Yzerman the heart and soul of this organization, he has over 1700 points.


This is not Colorado or Buffalo, simpy being a great player and leader does not get you in the rafters, you need to be one of the best Wings of all time.


Unfortunately for Hank and Dats, they are in that class one step below that!



#2429549 Ilya Kovalchuk announces retirement

Posted by Opie on 11 July 2013 - 03:07 PM


Yep, The Turk is dead, and so is the guy who killed him.




It's a Sicilian message. It means Luca Brasi sleeps with the fishes.

#2429546 Ilya Kovalchuk announces retirement

Posted by Guest on 11 July 2013 - 03:00 PM

Lou wishes him the best, and then calls Luca.


Sadly for the Devils, it appears that he was murdered by Sollozzo some time ago.