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#2439746 Are teams going to "bait" us into fighting?

Posted by RyanBarnes! on 29 September 2013 - 09:51 AM

That's less a function of being "intimidated", more a function of our post-Lidstrom/Rafalski defence being unable to handle the puck under pressure.  Quincey, Lashoff and especially Smith were forechecked relentlessly in the playoffs because they kept making mistakes when pressured.

Red Wings have always been vulnerable to physically strong teams like The Ducks in 2003 and the Flames in 2004. They wouldnt allow the Red Wings to enter the slot but limited our forwards to perimeter shots. So did the Preds in 2012. I think that even during the Lidstrom era teams tried to forecheck high, only it was obviously more difficult then.

#2439307 HBO 24/7

Posted by 55fan on 27 September 2013 - 12:32 PM

I wonder if they'll show Cleary smoking weed on the show?  I know his eyes don't look like that from too much swimming.   :1eye: 

I think the one eye got goofy from his fight with Pronger.  I also recall that Cleary is allergic to shaving cream. 


Too bad we don't have an enforcer who is also a part time barber. 

#2439092 Wings to Keep Tootoo?

Posted by hillbillywingsfan on 26 September 2013 - 07:51 AM



Like when? Kronwall is one of the hardest hitters in the league, but I can't remember the last time this had an appreciable effect upon anything but the crowd and the guy who got hit.

I hope you really don't think that a big hit or a big fight doesn't spark a team or really have an effect. Besides if you are correct and all it does is get the crowd fired up...do you not agree that even having a crowd behind you all fired up helps a team? Or is it all these years when they rank hardest barns to play at just fluff and it means nothing?

#2436643 Cleary re-signs with Detroit, 1 year, $1.75m deal

Posted by kylee on 14 September 2013 - 05:48 PM

Cleary to wear #71. He's our Evgeni Malkin.

#2436623 Cleary re-signs with Detroit, 1 year, $1.75m deal

Posted by GoWings1905 on 14 September 2013 - 03:23 PM

Going to be weird seeing Cleary in 71. Fitting conclusion to this entire saga.

Did he choose 71 because his knees are that old?

#2436453 So....did Cleary just take Tatar's spot?

Posted by Dabura on 13 September 2013 - 08:38 AM

To be fair:


- This isn't exactly the first time Tatar's been, shall we say, snubbed.


- He's been proving himself for how long now? What else is left for him to prove? He was a monster for the Griffins in their Calder run, and he was named the MVP for his efforts. So, what, does he need to be an even more valuabe MVP?


- It's not like he held a press conference. I actually think Sarah is slightly at fault here; she probably shouldn't have said what she did.


- If this were any other organization, any other one, this wouldn't even be an issue.


- What happened to the "youth movement"? Isn't building and promoting from within our bread and butter?


- Ultimately, yeah, like I said, Tatar probably has some *issues*. But, again, he's friggin' 22. You know what other 22-year-old pro hockey player has *issues*?


Coyotes GM 'not happy' with absent Ekman-Larsson


- It's easy for us to wag our fingers at Tatar and tsk tsk him. But if you were in his shoes, I think you'd probably be pissed.

#2436390 So....did Cleary just take Tatar's spot?

Posted by Detroit # 1 Fan on 12 September 2013 - 09:16 PM

I love Dano, and I'm happy he's back for the sheer fact we share a similar bloodline, but Tatar needs to play this season. The guy was the friggin AHL playoff MVP at 22 years old. See, I know I'm no NHL GM or anything, but that screams "NHL READY" to me. Nyquist and Tatar should be playing with Zetterberg and Datsyuk to learn how to be good pros, and maybe even stars. The same way Zetterberg and Datsyuk learned from Hull, Shanahan and Yzerman. It's a transition phase, we're gonna see even more of it when Jurco, Pulkkinen and Frk are ready... Oh ya and f*** you Sammy for still being on the team!!!

#2436379 So....did Cleary just take Tatar's spot?

Posted by fixxxer on 12 September 2013 - 08:37 PM

...I am speechless that Ken Holland is dumb enough to sign Cleary what a waste of a decent off season. I'm embarrassed for Holland complete lack of self control to sign these types of players.

#2436184 So....did Cleary just take Tatar's spot?

Posted by Guest on 12 September 2013 - 12:30 PM

Tatar deserves to be on this team


Cleary does not


end of story

#2435918 Report: Cleary to sign with PHI, 3 yrs, $2.75m/yr, NTC

Posted by gcom007 on 11 September 2013 - 07:52 PM

This is bizarre.


If they do end up losing Tatar over this, my mind is going to be blown, but I don't even know if I'll have the emotional energy to get angry. s*** like this is just not surprising anymore, and that's sad. I've defended and criticized Cleary in the past and in this thread, and while I think he still has value at the right price, I think it'd be nuts to end up losing someone like Tatar so you can get Cleary in his last few years when he's already been on a serious decline. He had a great playoffs, but he's had terrible playoffs in the past too. Again, somewhere in the $1-2 million range is what Cleary should get if he signs with the Wings, and it should only be if it means not losing or further alienating some of your top prospects.


In any event, again, this is just a bizarre situation at this point.

#2434997 Buffalo Sabres unveil new third jerseys

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 04 September 2013 - 04:17 PM

The buffalo in the logo looks like it got drunk and fell over, or like it's falling out of the sky and is going to land on the sabres.

I don't mind the back of the jersey at all, but it seems like whoever was creating it took a s*** and died before making his way to the front thus leaving the rest of the jersey to be finished by his 11 year old niece. No offense to 11 year old girls, most of whom could probably design a better jersey.

#2434932 Franzen: "I am not a goal scorer"

Posted by MidMichSteve on 04 September 2013 - 10:16 AM


How about pics. ;)



#2434887 Franzen: "I am not a goal scorer"

Posted by GoWings1905 on 03 September 2013 - 10:35 PM

Saying someones angle is lame is a lame angle.

The point is: Franzen at $4 > Clarkson at $5.25, regardless of whether u perceive Franzen to float now and then or not.

Again, none of you have any idea how Franzen will play at 38. Some players drop off as early as 32 and some can play top lines till they're 40. Of course he'll slow with age, but none of us know which Franzen will be, so it's kind of pointless to speculate.
It doesn't forgive anything. No player is perfect. Do I wish Franzen were less streaky? Yes. Do I wish Zetterberg would shoot more? Yes. Did I wish Cleary would fall down less? Yes. Do I wish Sammy wouldn't shoot it directly at the logo? Yes. Do I wish Ericsson would throw bigger hits? Yes.

Fact is, lazy or not. They overpaid. We didn't. Franzen is the better deal among those players.

Sure, those guys got overpaid. In the context when Franzen actually signed his deal, the Red Wings opted for him over a better (slightly more expensive) Marian Hossa.

I didn't really care about signing Clarkson or Clowe, but in terms of value comparing players -- I want Hossa over Franzen every time.

#2434793 Franzen: "I am not a goal scorer"

Posted by Opie on 03 September 2013 - 09:27 AM

Zetterberg takes a ton of "days off". When you see how he played the last 10 games and when you see how he played in the middle of the season, why can 't he play like that day in and day out? He also makes 3 million more than Franzen and scores less. It's all perception.


And here is where a lot of Franzen is like Player X comparisons fail, when Z is not scoring, or as you say taking "days off", he is still one of the best defensive forwards in the game.


Franzen when not scoring is one of the biggest wastes of space on the ice.


All you really need to see is him with the puck between the red line and the offensive blue line, if he flips it in the zone and barely skates after it, you are not getting much from him that game.


If he protects the puck and gains the zone, or dumps and chases it, you know he is in the game mentally.


However, when he is not "in it to win it" he is better served in the press box.


I also do not understand the posts about him having size and play maker ability.


When he loafs, he does not create plays, and he almost never uses his size, so how skills he doesn't really use make up for him taking shifts and games off is really confusing to me.


As I have said numerous times on this forum, you take Franzen and give him Tootoo, Abby, Cleary, or Helm's heart and desire and you have an all world talent.


As it is right now, you have a very talented player who often times has little effort and desire.


I can excuse a lack of talent, like Helm's hands of stone, he just doesn't have hands of a Franzen or Bertuzzi even, but I have a very hard time excusing lack of effort!

#2434493 Teemu Selanne to return for a final season

Posted by GoWings1905 on 30 August 2013 - 05:58 PM

One more season of whining on a team that is going to regress big time.

Welcome back, Teemu! Great player, but I think his class act stature is phony.