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#2174240 WCSF Game 7 GDT: Red Wings 2 at Sharks 3

Posted by IllinoisRedWingsFan on 12 May 2011 - 10:46 PM

If Hudler comes back next season, Holland should be fired.

No kidding! Isn't he stuck with us for one more year unless we can trade him?


#2174244 WCSF Game 7 GDT: Red Wings 2 at Sharks 3

Posted by MGreenberg on 12 May 2011 - 10:46 PM

If Hudler comes back next season, Holland should be fired.


Yeah, he is awful. Just as bad as that late game power play. Well guess it is time to watch the Sharks get swept by the Canucks.


#2173155 Bring back the minus rating!

Posted by hillbillywingsfan on 12 May 2011 - 02:44 PM

Hell no. There's too many adolescent, pre-pubescent little snots here who love to do nothing more than spam peoples' posts, regardless of the content therein, and it's basically harassment. It happened when the function existed originally, and you damn well know it will happen again if it's brought back. It doesn't foster discussion, community, or even respect. It's pointless and useless. Not to mention, cowardly. If someone posts "You know, I think Jimmy Howard really isn't that great of a goalie" and gets 20 -1's......how is that a constructive discussion? Why didn't those 20 people quote the post and say "You know, I disagree......."?

If you don't like someone's post, you just ignore it. If you like someone's post, you give them a +1.

I totally agree. There were a lot of people just doing it because of the poster who posted. Had nothing to do with the post it self.

Try posting in the Political Discussion and see how many - you get.
you get a - or +....what does it really change anything how you feel about the poster or what they posted? I think it's useless and doesn't need to be there.

for example


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a classic Jersey
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A negative 2 in the Chinese jersey thread for saying "a classic jersey"??? come on :thumbdown:


#2169753 WCSF Game 5 GDT: Red Wings 4 at Sharks 3

Posted by syntax on 08 May 2011 - 09:42 PM

Who would have thunk it. A Red Wings fan forum full of bandwagon fans. When the chips are down, some of these so called fans bail on the team. When the Wings turn it around, they act like they were fans the whole time.


Welcome back to Mr. Holier-than-thou.

Talk hockey or STFU.


#2169360 WCSF Game 5 GDT: Red Wings 4 at Sharks 3

Posted by BuckeyeWingsfan80 on 08 May 2011 - 09:01 PM

told you this s*** was over


#2168979 WCSF Game 5 GDT: Red Wings 4 at Sharks 3

Posted by Bring Back The Bruise Bros on 08 May 2011 - 07:50 PM

Joe Thornton is af****** piece of s***. I hope he neverf****** gets his name on the Cup.


#2168374 Wings in Seven

Posted by Detroit # 1 Fan on 07 May 2011 - 12:43 PM

Where do you think you are? The hfboards? This is letsgowings.com. The majority of "fans" here don't support the team unless they are winning in dominating fashion.

:lol: Your hysterical, the Wings go down 0-3 and people are pissed off the night of, and all of a sudden they arent fans. Get it a rest.


#2166958 Lines for Game 4

Posted by Bring Back The Bruise Bros on 05 May 2011 - 01:41 PM

McGrattan-Parros-Orr
Gillies-Boogaard-Kocur
Domi-Konopka-McCarty
Worrell-Grimson-MacIntyre

Scott-McSorley
Belak-Manson
Carkner-Richardson


#2166949 Remember When 3rd Period Leads Were Safe?

Posted by LeonardSankar on 05 May 2011 - 01:30 PM

Can we stop bitching about the loses of this year and last years team? Do Red Wing fans understand you can't win the Stanley Cup every frickin year? Come on boys, I think this fan base is more knowledgeable than this. We act like we AREN'T spoiled year in and out by actually making the playoffs. I could ONLY imagine what would happen if the Wings were to not make the playoffs, oh my.. god...


I didn't expect a Cup this year as I posted many times that this team couldn't beat San Jose or Vancouver if they drew them and lone behold they drew the hated Sharks e.g. our daddies! I would not be this angry with the team if they had won in 2009 when I was at the Joe for game 7 as then I would have just retired into the sunset after watching them hoist the cup but it didn't go that way as all I have are 4 Cups that I saw them win on TV and not live so that is why I am bitching about!

Remember when fans used to support their team during the good, the bad, and the ugly? Those were the good old days that appear to be long gone and done now


What do you want us to say thanks guys for another early exit? Or how about thanks for the 2 blown 3rd period leads that cost this team a 2-1 series lead? Fans have a right to be mad at the team b/c we demand results and when you lose games that you should of won it makes it more difficult to swallow!


#2164547 Some possible NEEDED changes in the Offseason

Posted by Probie on 03 May 2011 - 04:37 AM

Ok folks, I'm not one to panic and say the sky is falling, nor am I one to be negative when things get bumpy. So don't flame me. I have some honest suggestions on ways to improve the team after watching them win 3 years ago and see what they need three years later. I have been watching them for about 21 years.

-The team that won the cup in 2008, worked harder then the one today, had more passion and was willing to sacrifice more to get to the next level. FACT.

-The team that won the cup in 2008 has the same main core today, however that core collectively is 3 years OLDER. FACT. Lidstrom, Rafalski, Holmstrom, the elder statesmen of that core have declined in terms of speed and overall ability, while other core players have gotten older but have not only not improved or improved enough to pick up the slack caused by the older core players sliding.

-Management has the idea that they can entice players to sign better deal like contracts if they offer the players the ability to stay longer, offer ntcs etc etc. That reduces the competitiveness of the players as they are not motivated by fear of losing their jobs or getting traded. This weakens the team. FACT. If you look at the benefits of using this approach vs the negatives (better contracts=deeper team vs less motivated and competiveness), I don't think this strategy has really helped them as a team at all. Watching this team last year and especially this year, they are seriously unmotivated. This lack of motivation has to/had to change, but has not. Blame management for not fixing this problem. As well, I feel the team lacks the rah rah, take charge motivating vocal leader needed to whip the players into the right playing form.

-This team is one of the smallest teams in the nhl. FACT. We lose too many battles for the puck. This is the one thing we are hurting for in the SJ series right now.

-3 of 4 of our top prospects that are in line to make the team in the next 2 years are all quite small. We are already too small now, if we inject these players into our lineup in the next 2 years we are going to be even smaller and will be basically manhandled by most teams. FACT. We need an influx of size if these players are to come into the lineup.

-Our team the last few years has been injury prone, and I think of all the liberties taken by other teams because we have no enforcer or even formidable fighter, is mostly or fairly, directly related to this. FACT. A guy like Shawn Thornton or Matt Carkner that could play 40-60 games in a limited fashion would not hurt the team much on the ice in terms of performance but would limit injuries and make our team play more physical much like downey did due to the fact the players feel braver. Less injuries would occur due to proper protection of players.

-Even the rest of our (outside of Lids, Rafs, Homer) core is getting older, and soon will be on the downside with no players close enough in skill to fill those gaps. Lidstrom and rafs are near the end, although they can play quite well still. But they will be gone soon. All of our other good players belonging to that core, Dats, Z, Mule, Cleary, Kronwall, Stuart are all 30 or older. None of these players will improve and in all likelihood have already reached their peak. You need young players coming up to fill these holes, and they don't have anyone good enough skill wise to do so, except Tatar and Smith, and they may not have the potential to match those leaving in skill. You also need a mix of skilled vets and youngsters as the youngsters produce at lesser contracts, enabling more depth. We have all our older top guys locked in at higher contracts, we have no serious deals. Remember having Z at less then 3 mill, mule, hudler etc at bargain basement contracts yet still produced large?! For those reasons, they need to trade an older vet or two for some skilled youth so you have a balance.

-Stop signing older players on the decline to multi year contracts with ntc’s. Limit the 35yr+ signings as well. Holland is suppose to be a genius. Act like one.

-After watching our teams play the sharks the last two years(and a few other teams), its apparent that Detroit lacks proper size, and a bit of speed to deal with SJ in particular. They lose too many puck battles and races to the puck. If you could subtract a few slow guys, and inject a few bigger faster guys, it could make all the difference in the world. Our back end could use some more size and nastiness as well. Lets look at some potential moves. Please don't flame its hard to get trades and values to satisfy everyone's opinions of worth, but I will try.

Adding SOME players I like on Forward(not all): Chris stewart(trade), Jason Chimera(trade), laich(UFA), Erik Cole(UFA), Simon Gagne(UFA), Upshall(UFA), Defensemen like Pitkanin(UFA), Bieksa(UFA), L.Smid(trade), Bogosian(trade), Matt Carkner(trade). These are just some potential moves off the top of my head. I'm not saying we get all of these guys, or these are the only guys we should go for. Guys we should lose, trade or not resign to make spots for players we need to fill certain roles are: Flip, Hudler, Homer(wont happen thought NTC), you could move Bert (but has partial ntc and is still a decent player), miller, ABS. Not sign Erricson, eaves, Draper. Yes i like eaves a bit too(We need to fill needs though). Of course a prospect or two and a few picks could be included in these trades mentioned below to make their values accurate, as its hard for me to judge accurate trade value, people are always ready to pounce and start flaming so hold off. Everyone sees player values differently. Also we might want to move one of our core players that are a little older. Our prospect pool is deep enough to warrant the loss of a prospect and the odd pick to make some of the trades work and would be replenished somewhat if we did move one of the older players.

Player movement during offseason:

*Hudler + Kindl + ~2nd(2011)=Bogosian (might have to add a pick or prospect to make it work)
*Nyquist + flip + pick(if needed)=Chris Stewart (perhaps minor tweaking to make the trade work). yes i like Nyquist too but you have to give to get.
*prospect + ~2nd(2012)=L. Smid (guessing it gets done with minor tweaking)
*Prospect or pick= Chimera(or a Chimera like player, fast and strong, good in the corners, doesn't have to score lots, good on the pk)
*Bertuzzi = prospect or pick. Sorry bert, I would rather move Homer, but he has a ntc, you only have a partial. Probably wont happen, nmc could make this difficult.
*Kronwall=prospects and or picks. I love kronwall, hes a deal at 3mill, and is skilled. It harder to trade the other core players that have ntc or are too old to trade. Pitkanen would be a good replacement or close to.
-> Sign Pitkanin, Laich, Cole, Upshall as UFA's. For a decent back up Josh Harding would be nice as a ufa as well. lets focus on D and forward first though. This is probably a stretch, but all forwards and d mentioned have size, and Cole has speed and size and is physical and capable of winning puck battles. Laich is a big body who can score and win battles. Upshall is also a battler, and great along the boards and can skate decently too and can put some points on the board.



You could have lines like (not set, they can move around):

Cole - Z - Cleary
Mule - Dats - C. Stewart
Upshall - Helm - laich
Chimera - Homer - Mursac
-Role Player and/or Partial Enforcer and/or tough Physical forward.

1st Line is: Cole is 6'2 205 skates well, and can score, Z is Z, Cleary is 6,0 205 and can skate and score. The line can win puck battles and score. Has grit too.
2nd line: Mule is 6'3 220, can skate and score, Dats is Dats, Stewart is 6'2 225 and can score, win battles for the puck. The line has good size, bit of grit, very good skill and overall above average speed.
3rd Line: Upshall is 6' 197 and is fierce in the corners, skates well and can score a bit. Helm is Helm. laich is 6'2 200 and can score a bit and win battles for the puck. The line has two good players with speed with a big body that is not slow and can score. Laich is a UFA.
4th Line: Chimera 6'2 220 is real fast, a physical puck battler, who can pk well. 6' 200 homer is homer who doesn't fit on any line anymore almost, Mursac has blinding speed and some scoring upside, and wont be only a perimeter player but is kinda small. This line has great speed minus homer, and has SOME physicality. A solid fourth line.
13th forward: Somebody that has some decent size and or can fight. Konopka anyone? If we opt to not go for this type of player, perhaps a guy like HTD could make the team and see somewhat limited action, and he at least would bring size to the table (and of course some skill).

Defense:
Lids-Stuart.
rafs-Pitkanen
Bogosian-Smid
Matt Carkner



1st pairing stays the same, Lids and Stuart. No kronwall on the second paring. I mentioned above, that someone from the core gets traded for youth, and or picks, its him, although he isn't perhaps the best one to be moved, but someone from that core while they have decent trade value needs to be moved, I picked him. I like him, but someone has to go, and he has no ntc. Flip has to go, he lacks too much offense we need a better scoring 2nd line center plus he has return value. Pitkanen is a possible free agent pick up. I might be unrealistically getting too many UFA's, but it's possible to get him. Pits is a good defensemen and is 6'3 210 and can help clear the crease, play good d, and generate some offense as well. Bogosian is young and has good potential but is still a little raw, is 6'3 205 and will fill out to 215 or so as he gets older, and has good mobility and ability. It was rumoured during this season he might go to detroit, and the rumoured players were kindl and hudler and a pick. Hes big and strong and loves to hit. Hes not asked to have a top 4 role yet, hes on the bottom pairing for a year till rafs and lids retire. We need bigger players on D to handle bigger forwards that play on teams like the sharks for instance. Smid is 6'3 225 pounds and can hit and shut guys down as well as clear the crease. I don't think he would cost an arm and a leg. Carkner is the physical enforcer/depth Defensemen that can play 30 games a year or something like that. He is the 7th D man. He will help to keep our guys not injured and help clear the crease and handle bigger forwards when he does play without being a total liability on the ice. Our 3rd defensive pairing looks quite good.

Josh Harding might be a decent backup for Howard next year and hes a UFA as well.


Again, we have increased team size(more then any other category), speed, ability to win puck battles, and toughness. I don't think we have hurt our ability to score either. We are still a team of skill. I think we would match up much better with the Sharks if we play them again next year. Bigger forwards would be handled better by our bigger d. Our D might not generate as much offense as this years, but it would still be good, but it would be better suited to handle bigger forwards. Our team would of course be better suited to wear teams down in the playoffs. Also the fresh faces and movement of players would end the comfort zone that has been brought on by prior Redwings management decisions, and would act as a wake up call to all on the team and would certainly help motivate the players to compete better which obviously helps the team. The new players would be motivated to win the cup and this would help rub off on the others.


Again, i don't want to get flamed for trying to be unrealistic in possible trades, I mentioned those trades would most likely need tweaking for them to work. These are not the only players that would help our club in the areas I mentioned we needed help in. There are lots of other options. I don't want to get flamed either for unrealistically picking up too many free agents although I may have, to an extent, listed one too many UFAs for us to realistically pickup. I didn't pick all the premier UFAS, nor all the Mid Tier UFAS, but I picked ones that are possible and fill our certain needs. Roster moves and approx salaries of those picked up require a slight decrease in pay for lidstrom of about 1 mill(might not be possible) and the cap moving up about three mill like has been rumored. Bogosian's salary although not understood by many is not close to three mill like many people think unless he reaches the lofty performance incentives that he wont... his salary would be a nice chunk less.

Anyways I thought I would throw some ideas and observations out, and of course you all are welcome to discuss...


#2146138 Congratulations to Zenon Konopka

Posted by Andrew on 11 April 2011 - 12:11 AM

If Trevor Gillies ever plays a full NHL season he will destroy 300 PIM.


#2144158 4/8 GDT: Blackhawks 4 at Red Wings 2

Posted by ben_usmc on 08 April 2011 - 08:05 PM

Franzen was about to hit toews with his purse


#2144016 4/8 GDT: Blackhawks 4 at Red Wings 2

Posted by wings_fanatic on 08 April 2011 - 07:21 PM

81 games into the season and Babcock is still being retarded! I am sick and tired of seeing Stuart be slow with Lidstrom and Ericson be s*** with Rafi... for God's sake put together Lidstrom and Rafalski!!! It is no coincidence that the team's BRUTAL defense we have seen started THIS YEAR (when since the beginning Babs refused to put them together). I don't know what it is, but the team plays together when they are together, and Stuart is just too damn slow to play with Nick.

Also, take Franzen off the line with Datsyuk it is just a waste of freakin time. I think Babcock should try putting Modano with Datsyuk because we need all cylinders going with Hank out and Modano could become very effective with Pavs; something Franzen seems incapable of doing.

Homer- Datsyuk- Modano
Hudler- Filpulla- Franzen
Bertuzzi- Abdelkator- Cleary
Eaves- Helm- Miller/Draper

Homer is just useless unless he is on Pavs' line, so might as well put him there. Franzen is is too slow for Pavs... Modano could be a nice fit and since they are down 3-0, they got nothing else to lose imo


#2143979 4/8 GDT: Blackhawks 4 at Red Wings 2

Posted by edicius on 08 April 2011 - 07:13 PM

22-14-0-6

Yah, such a terrible record. That's prorated to almost a 100 point season. But yah, you're right, we've been terrible since New Years.


Love ya, man...but you're touting a record of 2 games over .500?


#2139954 Kayleigh Lynn Anderson

Posted by RedFX on 01 April 2011 - 01:28 PM

After a 10-3 loss, I'm willing to sign her right now.