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#2436453 So....did Cleary just take Tatar's spot?

Posted by Dabura on 13 September 2013 - 08:38 AM

To be fair:


- This isn't exactly the first time Tatar's been, shall we say, snubbed.


- He's been proving himself for how long now? What else is left for him to prove? He was a monster for the Griffins in their Calder run, and he was named the MVP for his efforts. So, what, does he need to be an even more valuabe MVP?


- It's not like he held a press conference. I actually think Sarah is slightly at fault here; she probably shouldn't have said what she did.


- If this were any other organization, any other one, this wouldn't even be an issue.


- What happened to the "youth movement"? Isn't building and promoting from within our bread and butter?


- Ultimately, yeah, like I said, Tatar probably has some *issues*. But, again, he's friggin' 22. You know what other 22-year-old pro hockey player has *issues*?


Coyotes GM 'not happy' with absent Ekman-Larsson


- It's easy for us to wag our fingers at Tatar and tsk tsk him. But if you were in his shoes, I think you'd probably be pissed.

#2436390 So....did Cleary just take Tatar's spot?

Posted by Detroit # 1 Fan on 12 September 2013 - 09:16 PM

I love Dano, and I'm happy he's back for the sheer fact we share a similar bloodline, but Tatar needs to play this season. The guy was the friggin AHL playoff MVP at 22 years old. See, I know I'm no NHL GM or anything, but that screams "NHL READY" to me. Nyquist and Tatar should be playing with Zetterberg and Datsyuk to learn how to be good pros, and maybe even stars. The same way Zetterberg and Datsyuk learned from Hull, Shanahan and Yzerman. It's a transition phase, we're gonna see even more of it when Jurco, Pulkkinen and Frk are ready... Oh ya and f*** you Sammy for still being on the team!!!

#2436379 So....did Cleary just take Tatar's spot?

Posted by fixxxer on 12 September 2013 - 08:37 PM

...I am speechless that Ken Holland is dumb enough to sign Cleary what a waste of a decent off season. I'm embarrassed for Holland complete lack of self control to sign these types of players.

#2436184 So....did Cleary just take Tatar's spot?

Posted by Guest on 12 September 2013 - 12:30 PM

Tatar deserves to be on this team


Cleary does not


end of story

#2435918 Report: Cleary to sign with PHI, 3 yrs, $2.75m/yr, NTC

Posted by gcom007 on 11 September 2013 - 07:52 PM

This is bizarre.


If they do end up losing Tatar over this, my mind is going to be blown, but I don't even know if I'll have the emotional energy to get angry. s*** like this is just not surprising anymore, and that's sad. I've defended and criticized Cleary in the past and in this thread, and while I think he still has value at the right price, I think it'd be nuts to end up losing someone like Tatar so you can get Cleary in his last few years when he's already been on a serious decline. He had a great playoffs, but he's had terrible playoffs in the past too. Again, somewhere in the $1-2 million range is what Cleary should get if he signs with the Wings, and it should only be if it means not losing or further alienating some of your top prospects.


In any event, again, this is just a bizarre situation at this point.

#2434997 Buffalo Sabres unveil new third jerseys

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 04 September 2013 - 04:17 PM

The buffalo in the logo looks like it got drunk and fell over, or like it's falling out of the sky and is going to land on the sabres.

I don't mind the back of the jersey at all, but it seems like whoever was creating it took a s*** and died before making his way to the front thus leaving the rest of the jersey to be finished by his 11 year old niece. No offense to 11 year old girls, most of whom could probably design a better jersey.

#2434932 Franzen: "I am not a goal scorer"

Posted by MidMichSteve on 04 September 2013 - 10:16 AM


How about pics. ;)



#2434887 Franzen: "I am not a goal scorer"

Posted by GoWings1905 on 03 September 2013 - 10:35 PM

Saying someones angle is lame is a lame angle.

The point is: Franzen at $4 > Clarkson at $5.25, regardless of whether u perceive Franzen to float now and then or not.

Again, none of you have any idea how Franzen will play at 38. Some players drop off as early as 32 and some can play top lines till they're 40. Of course he'll slow with age, but none of us know which Franzen will be, so it's kind of pointless to speculate.
It doesn't forgive anything. No player is perfect. Do I wish Franzen were less streaky? Yes. Do I wish Zetterberg would shoot more? Yes. Did I wish Cleary would fall down less? Yes. Do I wish Sammy wouldn't shoot it directly at the logo? Yes. Do I wish Ericsson would throw bigger hits? Yes.

Fact is, lazy or not. They overpaid. We didn't. Franzen is the better deal among those players.

Sure, those guys got overpaid. In the context when Franzen actually signed his deal, the Red Wings opted for him over a better (slightly more expensive) Marian Hossa.

I didn't really care about signing Clarkson or Clowe, but in terms of value comparing players -- I want Hossa over Franzen every time.

#2434793 Franzen: "I am not a goal scorer"

Posted by Opie on 03 September 2013 - 09:27 AM

Zetterberg takes a ton of "days off". When you see how he played the last 10 games and when you see how he played in the middle of the season, why can 't he play like that day in and day out? He also makes 3 million more than Franzen and scores less. It's all perception.


And here is where a lot of Franzen is like Player X comparisons fail, when Z is not scoring, or as you say taking "days off", he is still one of the best defensive forwards in the game.


Franzen when not scoring is one of the biggest wastes of space on the ice.


All you really need to see is him with the puck between the red line and the offensive blue line, if he flips it in the zone and barely skates after it, you are not getting much from him that game.


If he protects the puck and gains the zone, or dumps and chases it, you know he is in the game mentally.


However, when he is not "in it to win it" he is better served in the press box.


I also do not understand the posts about him having size and play maker ability.


When he loafs, he does not create plays, and he almost never uses his size, so how skills he doesn't really use make up for him taking shifts and games off is really confusing to me.


As I have said numerous times on this forum, you take Franzen and give him Tootoo, Abby, Cleary, or Helm's heart and desire and you have an all world talent.


As it is right now, you have a very talented player who often times has little effort and desire.


I can excuse a lack of talent, like Helm's hands of stone, he just doesn't have hands of a Franzen or Bertuzzi even, but I have a very hard time excusing lack of effort!

#2434493 Teemu Selanne to return for a final season

Posted by GoWings1905 on 30 August 2013 - 05:58 PM

One more season of whining on a team that is going to regress big time.

Welcome back, Teemu! Great player, but I think his class act stature is phony.

#2434004 NHL Network 1995 Final VS NJ 12-3pm EST Today

Posted by Nev on 24 August 2013 - 03:15 AM

Lidstrom can live to be 100, win 5 consecutive terms as Swedish Prime Minister, be awarded the Nobel Prizes for Peace, Medicine and Literature, win the Oscar for best actor for his portrayal of Gustavos Alophus in Sean Avery's 9 hour epic "The 30 Years War", be raised to Sainthood by the Roman Catholic Church, all to go with his 4 Stanley Cups, Olympic Gold, World Championship gold, 12 All-Star appearances, 7 Norris Trophies, and 1 Conn Smythe.


And on his deathbed, all he will be able to think about is that last second shot that he fired straight into MAF's chest.

#2433876 Keep Tootoo, Drop Cleary

Posted by hillbillywingsfan on 22 August 2013 - 08:11 PM

Regarding the inevitable fighting discussion, I think there's a distinction to be made between preventing all out cheapshots a la Matt Cooke, and being a deterrent to guys running around and agitating all game without having to answer for it.  One example that comes to mind is when Bertuzzi fought Shane O'Brien twice in the same game against the Predators a couple seasons ago.
They were running the Wings all game.  After that, not so much.  Having a guy that plays 6 minutes a night to fight isn't as much of a deterrent anymore, but if you have someone playing fairly regularly who's also willing to drop the gloves, I think that absolutely can be a deterrent.  Many times I've seen an agitator throttle back a little bit after the prospect of getting punched in the face becomes a real threat. It shows you won't be pushed around, and no one likes getting punched in the face. 
Some thoughts from Wings players and coach after that Predators game, which I think explains the concept well.


I think staged fights are mostly garbage. A side spectacle by enforcers who usually don't have much else to offer. But players sticking up for themselves and keeping from getting run, or the "keeping the flies off" as Babcock puts it, yes please.

That being said, I don't think Tootoo provides a ton of deterrent. He plays such a limited role on the team, I'm guessing because when he's most effective hitting and agitating is also when he's least effective defensively. And while he's a good fighter given his size, I don't think he puts the fear into many people, other than being afraid he'll suckerpunch you.

Your feelings towards tootoo have not changed since he was on nashville example what was bolded. Did he sucker anyone while playing with the wings so far? so you saying tootoo is pretty much worthless I feel you are not giving him a fair shake and really seeing what he brings and how he could help in games like the chicago series where the wings started to get bullied around because no one wanted to stand up. Tootoo played with a ton of heart every shift out there and if you and others didn't see that I'm not sure what else to say. He went non stop every shift hitting everything trying to score..trying to make plays. I compare him to Helm with his heart of the game. Like a lion. Of course he doesn't have helms skill really but I would take 100 players like that over players like miller,eaves or emmerton. There were a ton of times I didn't even know Miller or Emmerton was even on the ice. When Tootoo is out there everyone on the ice and in the stands knows he is there.

#2433338 Preds Managemant Charging Hawks Fans Double

Posted by DickieDunn on 15 August 2013 - 04:21 AM

How will they know if you're a hawks fan or not? If you buy a preds fan ticket and wear a hawks jersey do they not let you in? Do they check to see if you wear hawks shirt under another shirt? This is just stupidity

Good point.  How do they know what team you're a fan of other than what you're wearing?  

They ask you to name 10 hockey players. If you get it right they know you're not a Preds fsn

#2433261 Preds Managemant Charging Hawks Fans Double

Posted by Euro_Twins on 14 August 2013 - 11:26 AM

Looks like the Wings moved east in the nick of time.  Preds are forcing Hawks fans to buy a ticket to a non-Hawks game if they want to see the Hawks play in Nashville.  Seems to me this is going to backfire on them.  Looks like revenue sharing and Wings and Hawks fans being the only reason that team has lasted this long isn't enough for them.  It also seems to me that this is going to have a very negative effect on the local businesses as well.  
Is it me or is this a "What the hell are they thinking" move?

How will they know if you're a hawks fan or not? If you buy a preds fan ticket and wear a hawks jersey do they not let you in? Do they check to see if you wear hawks shirt under another shirt? This is just stupidity

#2432583 So the consensus on Shanny's #14 is a no?

Posted by Wings_Dynasty on 06 August 2013 - 06:02 AM




Name one that Delvechhio won.

Ok, here's his Wikipedia page summarized down to the reasons he is up there and Shanny won't be. Bolded areas are of particular distinction. 


He would go on to excel both at centre and left wing for twenty-two full seasons and parts of two others, and was notable for his spot on the Production line. No player except Nicklas Lidström in NHL history played more games with just the one team. One of the true gentlemen in the game of hockey, he was a three-time winner of the Lady Byng Trophy for combining good sportsmanship with excellence on the ice. 

Following his retirement as a player in 1973—having, at the time, played the second most games and with the second highest assist and point totals in league history

At the time of his retirement, he ranked second in nearly every significant offensive category in Red Wings history behind only Howe. He has since been passed in most of those categories by Steve Yzerman, but only Howe and Lidström have played more games as a Red Wing.


So besides the 3 Lady Byngs and being basically the second greatest non-goaltending Red Wing (behind his linemate Gordie Freakin' Howe) until Yzerman and Lidstrom finished their careers he has no other reason to be up there.