GMRwings1983

What number is this fool wearing??

69

Nobody in the NHL wears it.

I don't see the point of adding a $2.2 million dollar 5th/6th defensemen. Especially when Wings have Ericsson and Kindl (not to mention Janick showed he can handle the 6th d-man role).

Meech is as good as gone. Not sure why you are bringing his name into the equation. Why do you want to give up on the kids for a an overpaid 6th D-man who is already 35+ years old. If nothing else, Holland might be able to re-sign Lilja to a two-way contract down on the real-cheap. Why pay $2+ million for a guy that won't get much ice time?

With Modano, Wings will have one of the best 3rd lines ( bottom 6, and the most depth) in the league. You want to throw all that away for a guy to play minimal ice time on the 3rd defense pairing? Hell, why not at least trade Stuart and give him Stuart's minutes why you're at it? It just makes no sense to have a $2.2 mil player on the 5th/6th role. Have you gone mad?

Ericsson holds his own physically when it matters. He's shown spurts of nastiness... And he's over a million cheaper. I say keep Ericsson and Kindl so they can further develop their game, and get a cheap depth guy like Lilja or Janick. Red Wings doesn't have the ice time available (or cap space) to offer a 2nd pairing guy. Unless you are suggesting Holland should get rid of Kronwall or Stuart?!?!

A third pair defenseman is more important than a 3rd line forward.  They usually get more icetime than 3rd line forwards, especially since teams dress half as many D-men than forwards.

Your post greatly diminished the importance of a 3rd pair defenseman and overrated the role someone like Modano will play, when we have plenty of other guys who have shown they can play on the 3rd line, like say Helm who'll be demoted to the 4th line now.

And my post wasn't just specific to Sutton.  I was talking more about a physical defenseman who's big and can move bodies from the crease.  Doesn't have to be Sutton necessarily, or someone who makes $2 million a year.  It's just an blank that needs to be filled.

Were you drunk when you posted this?



Yeah, sure, because we could have afforded to spend $2m on a third-pairing defenseman, one who happens to be unable to skate. You complain about the most nonsensical s***, GMR. You moan and complain and then you give up in the tough times and scream about how there's no hope. Get your head checked.



Modano isn't a winger, and he wouldn't be playing on the checking line. Maltby was offered a two-way contract; quit being a dumbass. I swear, you'll always find things to complain about; you'll create them out of nowhere if necessary.

Are you ever gonna stop hating around here?

At least my complaints deal with the Wings, and not attacking other posters all the time like you do.  You really need to take care of your anger management issues instead of telling me what I should post.

Sutton isn't someone we need to skate well.  He'd be here for different reasons, which you obviously can't fathom with your limited knowledge of hockey.  You're the biggest whiner on LGW by consistently calling out posters who want to sign tougher players for reasons we think would benefit the team.  Your post was just a bad attempt to attack me instead of saying anything bad about Sutton's game that actually makes sense.  

As for his salary, the money we'll pay to Modano or Maltby or whatever other lower line players (not Helm) that we've signed or will sign, could have been better served by paying a player like Sutton.

I'm glad we didn't sign him.

We don't need a big, physical defenseman that can clear the crease.  We're already awesome at that, as we showed in the playoffs last year.    

What we really need is a 40 year old winger to play on our "Grind Line"   and an almost 40 year old winger who should have retired several years ago when he stopped becoming useful to us.

I probably hate him more than all these other posters combined.

Since I can't put it in words, I won't even try.

Williams was a potential 20-goal scorer. He had done it more than once before. He was also somewhat of an emergency signing, as the time spent waiting for Hudler had seen a big thinning in the UFA pool.

In other news, I don't remember the last time you had a good idea. Further, you're one always predicting doom and gloom.

Way to stay on topic there ace.  At least you're not biased against me or anything.



Didn't realize I was supposed to make great ideas.  I thought that's what all those idiots in Washington were for.

As I've said before, a US vs. Canada annual game should replace the Winter Classic.

2002

That was a fun run and a special roster of players.

http://www.freep.com/article/20100720/SPORTS05/7200369/1053/Sports05/Mike-Modano-Ill-decide-on-future-next-month


That article enforces the thought process I was trying to convey before all the clones derailed the thread. Those who think Helm and Abby are excited about Modano on this team are just being silly. Mike Modano will cost them money in their pockets, that's a fact. Being removed from a scoring line to get scrap minutes on the 4th plus PK. Those guys don't strike me as stupid, and neither are their agents. They have no leverage now being RFA's except to take a short term deal if Modano signs, and that's exactly what they're doing. We'd be much better off telling Modano to piss off and signing both those young guys to longer deals.


"You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink"

Well said, Ken.  

Wow, that was the first time I've ever seen Hudler drop the gloves.

I wonder if this thread could hit 100 pages before he makes his mind up?

At grinding in the corners, digging in front of the net, and playing defense?

Kariya barely even does any of those things. The Wings already have a bunch of scoring forwards.

Kariya's purpose is offense. Last season he scored 43 points playing on the Blues' top line with Oshie and Backes. What line will he play on in Detroit, and what line will he play on? Will it be Kariya/Filppula/Franzen on the second line? Or perhaps it will be Kariya/Datsyuk/Holmstrom? I guess I'm finding difficulty seeing where adding Kariya in those situations makes an improvement to the roster all-around.

I agree completely

People may as well say, "Kariya has softer hands than Draper"

He's not the droid that we're looking for.

Dude, it's July. Chill.

I wasn't getting angry.  

Besides, it's too hot outside to chill.

I'm just making what I think is a good point.  Just like Modano, he's not a star player anymore and doesn't really address our needs.  People are overreacting over this idea because Kariya was once a top star.

Too many people on LGW don't understand the concept of having a complete team.

Probably because in their video games, they stack all 4 lines with stars, and win the Cup every year.  Doesn't work that way in the NHL.

Kariya has never played on the lower two lines and that's totally not his game.  Also, he's not good enough to be on our top 6 unless there's injuries.  When we're healthy, he'll look out of place playing with Abby or Eaves.

He's injured too often and I've had it with him diving all over the ice like a pansy.  He's not much better than Crosby and Floppa in that department.

Same thing as the Modano situation.  What does he give us that we don't already have?  

Can you envision Paul Kariya (a guy that doesn't check) on a checking line?  I don't.  We're pretty set as far as scoring goes.  That won't be what defeats us.  We just need a stay at home defenseman who hits, and a grinder to a make us a more well rounded team.  

Besides, as someone already said, he'll command too much money.