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#2491134 Legwand to Detroit for Eaves, Jarnkrok + cond 3rd/2nd

Posted by Z Winged Dangler on 05 March 2014 - 06:01 PM

Just to put this trade in perspective as to why some of us don't like it, here's some examples of trades where it makes it seem like the Wings got fleeced:


Moulson and McCormick for Torrey Mitchell and 2 2nd round picks.

Vanek and a 5th for Colberg and a 2nd

Meszaros for a 3rd

Gaborik for Frattin a 2nd and a 3rd

Hemsky for a 3rd and 5th

Rundblad and Brisebois for a 2nd

Luongo and Anthony for Markstrom and Matthias

Robidas for a 4th

Penner for a 4th


So to be fair, I'd say Legwand (contract expires this summer = currently a rental) for Eaves a 3rd and instead of Jarnkrok a 5th sounds like a deal ANY OTHER TEAM GOT TODAY!


Am I happy we got Legwand? Yes.  Am I ok with what we gave up? No cause of Jarnkrok.  


Only saving grace apparently after venting to my dad, apparently Jarnkrok was threatening to go to Sweden to play again per Malik, and getting fleeced in a trade by the Preds, we may have a future trade partner in them and he seems to think something big may be coming in the near future, possibly draft and that we're getting some centre from Russia.

#2490046 Nicklas Lidstrom:Greatest Red Wing Ever

Posted by Z Winged Dangler on 05 March 2014 - 12:13 PM

I like to think we have a Legendary top 3 in Yzerman, Howe and Lidstrom.  All 3 different players, I don't give 2 s***s who's the best, I'm just glad they were all long time Red Wings that enrich the organization with a beautiful history.  When you look at the rafters at the Joe, it's got some pretty amazing names up there.

#2489594 3/4 GDT: Red Wings at Devils

Posted by Z Winged Dangler on 04 March 2014 - 08:34 PM

Not sure how they saw that one but not Alfredsson. Brutal.

#2489561 3/4 GDT: Red Wings at Devils

Posted by Z Winged Dangler on 04 March 2014 - 08:16 PM

Not always smart zwinged he gets caught up ice too often but a PP is different from even strength

That's why he and Lashoff make a nice pair.

#2489554 3/4 GDT: Red Wings at Devils

Posted by Z Winged Dangler on 04 March 2014 - 08:12 PM

That right there is why Smith should be on the PP.  He makes smart pinches like that constantly.

#2489532 3/4 GDT: Red Wings at Devils

Posted by Z Winged Dangler on 04 March 2014 - 08:04 PM

Very well played.

Always loved the kid since his Jr days.  I've more than once traded for him in GM Mode to play with Helm.  ;)

#2489515 3/4 GDT: Red Wings at Devils

Posted by Z Winged Dangler on 04 March 2014 - 07:48 PM

Huge save by Howard after Kronwall put it right on Henrique's tape.

Like the rest of us, clearly Kronwall wishes Henrique were a Wing.

Brendan Smith just wants to ride the Mule  :lol: .  Easy apples!

#2489494 3/4 GDT: Red Wings at Devils

Posted by Z Winged Dangler on 04 March 2014 - 07:32 PM

Wow Mule..... That was filthy.

#2488963 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by Z Winged Dangler on 03 March 2014 - 09:49 PM

Discussion between Vancouvers Team 1040 and a Penguins beat reporter said Sheros offer is Sutter, a prospect, and both a 1 and a 3 rd pick. He said to sweeten the deal, they'd give up Poulliot.

He say Shero has always loved Kesler, and says Shero wants to be kept abreast of all negotiations with other teams so he can best all offers.

Writer also said Kesler really liked his Olympic experience with Bylsma and Granato .

I would definetly go Weiss, one of Sproul, Oullet, or Jensen , and next years 1 and 3.

After watching the Griffins again this weekend, I'd really rather not move Almquist.

If he says no to Sutter, Pouliot a 1st and 3rd for Kesler, than he's as dumb as we know he is.  There's your gritty 3rd line commander and one hell of an offensive Dman.

#2488926 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by Z Winged Dangler on 03 March 2014 - 07:49 PM

Per St.James






Hell no to trade for Kesler

I'll 2nd that!  That would be WAY overpaying.  Power forward  :lol: and he never should have won the Selke.  Stupid shortened season put the trophy committe on the short bus.  Kesler got Selke and Subban wins the Norris  :lol:  :lol: those each get a laugh.

I don't view Jurco in the same category as the mentioned ones so if he is part of a package for Ehrhoff I would be okay with that. What do the Sabres need? They suck at every position so maybe Mrazek Jurco and second rounder are enough

Mrazek, no.  Paterson, sure.  

#2488924 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by Z Winged Dangler on 03 March 2014 - 07:45 PM

It seems every year we have a new young player who looks good in limited action and is deemed "untouchable" by fans. 


Then the next year comes, he plays more minutes and gets exposed a bit more or injured and doesn't explode into the "future" player he was predicted as and everyone moves onto the next flavour of the week.


It has recently happened with Helm, then Smith, then Nyquist, then Tatar, and now Jurco and Sheahan and I'm sure it will continue on with Pulkkinen, Jankrok and Mantha.  It's like clockwork every year...


Bottom-line everyone's available for the right price and maybe we all(myself included) have a bad habit of over-valuing our young guys.

But I like our prospects.  :D I'd rather trade a kid that's still good, but out of options on our end like Ferraro or Almqvist.

#2488898 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by Z Winged Dangler on 03 March 2014 - 06:31 PM

Quincey is actually only 3rd on the teams D in giveaways (Smith 39, Kronwall 33, Quincey 32, Kindl 31, Ericsson 30). He's also played more games than any other D-man on our team... suggesting that his giveaway's per-game is lower than most of our other D (I don't wanna compute the numbers, but I believe that math makes sense). More, Quincey is also leading our D in take-aways (Quincey 27, Kronwall 20, Smith 14, Lashoff 13, Ericsson 12, Kindl 12). More, Quincey is also 1st among our D in even strength ice time, 2nd among our D in shorthanded ice time, and only has 23 minutes on the PP... suggesting that his giveaways and takeaway numbers are better per minute than our other d-men.

Is Quincey good? No. But he's not a horrible ball and chain like everyone suggests. We brought him in for a first at the deadline and he wasn't the savior everyone hoped for, and he gets crucified for it. He's just another Eaves. Good? No. Bad? No. Just blahhhhhhhhh

Datsyuk is arguably the best 1st line center when HEALTHY. Trade him too?

I do like Ehrhoff's contract

Smith leads the list cause of the HORRIBLE passes Q gives him.  I must throw that out there.  I say trade him to the B's cause apparently they were interested in him and bring up Ouellet, whom I think is our most ready D prospect from what I've seen.

#2488893 Trade Deadline Prediction Time

Posted by Z Winged Dangler on 03 March 2014 - 06:21 PM

I haven't made my prediction yet... I say screw it, I believe we land Ehrhoff.

My actual predictions:


Erhoff to the Wings for what I said above.

Kesler goes to the Penguins and we get to hate him as much as always.

Luongo doesn't get traded again, is the backup next year and then the Cansucks trade Eddie Lack for a 1st round pick at the draft table.  Deja vu anyone?

Kings get Moulson and meet the Blues in the West final.

Brodeur goes to Minnesota.

And I'll go with Jersey Wing, the Flyers will give us the best laugh of the deadline.  Something like Hartnell to Edmonton for Ryan Smyth and Craig McTavish's old whistle.

#2488885 Trade Deadline Prediction Time

Posted by Z Winged Dangler on 03 March 2014 - 06:14 PM

:blink: That was constructive...


So, what do you suggest. Stand pat, do nothing, do not try to improve? Kesler is MUCH better than Andersson, Weiss and Glenny.  And whether you like to believe it, way better than Helm.


No, I do not WANT Kesler at the deadline, but I do WANT to improve our team and if it takes trading Helm in order to do so, then trade him. As a matter of fact I do not even like Kesler and his Avs-loving, Ohio State arse...heard he was a prick in High School as well. But I do like making our team good enough to win.


Maybe I should say those players are REPLACEABLE. Is that better?

I'll bite on Erhoff and say that the Sabres could benefit from Almqvist, Ferraro/Andersson and then a piece like Jensen with a 3rd round pick, but I wouldn't pay more than that for him.  As far as Kesler goes, if the Wings get him, I will likely cancel my Gamecenter account.  That's how much that diving piece of trash is worth to me, not worth trading my favourite player behind Z and Dats for either, aka the best 3rd line centre in the NHL.  Z will be back in time for the last week or 2 of the season, quote me on that.  Weiss will return very soon.  Also, you can have Helm centre the 2nd line for now with Franzen, whom is playing lights out his past 20+ games centre the top line, keeping the whole kid line intact.  Then you have Glendening on the 4th line. Say you make the move I stated and Weiss comes back Thursday after the trade deadline, you have this: (with Dats out for a week just for arguments sake)



Alfredsson-Helm-Weiss(ease back in on the wing with Helm doing the grunt work)






Smith-Quincey (though I hate this pairing and wish we'd trade Q to the B's and bring up Ouellet)


Add Z and Dats to that team and you're in good shape.  Nyquist has been on another level lately, Tatar is justf****** awesome and exciting and that whole line is great and Helm seems to score like a 2nd line C when he plays 2nd line C, kinda weird, but we'll take it.  He's due for an outburst.  Glendening can't buy a goal, but he plays like a young annoying Maltby and skates like an animal, so he gets my nod for 4th C pretty much for good, maybe on the wing should Helm move down.


Our team is good, but there's no sense in mortgaging the farm for Kesler or any rentals.  We still have to find out what Pulks, Jarnkrok and Mantha can do up here as well, along with Ouellet, Sproul, Marchenko and even Backman on D.  I'm going with the thought that we don't need any more veteran presence than Z, Dats, Alfie, Kronner, Ericsson, Erhoff, and Mule and we need to keep the young legs in there to keep the team moving and to learn from the useful vets we have.

#2488873 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by Z Winged Dangler on 03 March 2014 - 05:52 PM

So Pav is out Tuesday and Weiss had a setback. Without our three top centers. Man, I hate thinking about selling the farm for someone but I feel like we might be more in on Kesler now.


I'd do Helm, Tatar, 1st for Kesler.

Kindl, one of Oullet/Sproul/Jensen, pick for Erhoff.


IF we could make it to the playoffs and have Pav and Z back we could go...








Big E/Dekeyser


WORST thing I've ever seen.  Helm and Tatar with a 1st should land you Shea Weber for the blueline, let alone a diving sissy in Kesler.  And Ouellet and Sproul are the very definition of "top prospect".  They alone will both likely be better than Erhoff, who is injury prone to boot.