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#2686207 Dan Cleary Gets Training Camp Tryout

Posted by krsmith17 on 23 September 2016 - 11:45 PM

For those that like to s*** on Cleary and / or Holland for keeping him around for so long, maybe you should read / listen to some of the interviews by Holland, Martin, or Cleary himself over the past week or so. It's very clear that he's doing a great job with the kids in Grand Rapids, in particular, Bertuzzi. I think Cleary may be a big factor in Bert's success thus far. Like him or not, Cleary is a stand up guy, with an unbelievable work ethic, and if that rubs off on any of the prospects, even a little bit, he's well worth yet another contract. The kids love and respect the guy, and rightfully so. Keep up the good work in GR Cleary, even if most of what you do down there is off the ice...

#2686082 Dan Cleary Gets Training Camp Tryout

Posted by krsmith17 on 18 September 2016 - 09:44 PM

Yes, Cleary did spend some time on IR last season and if he does get another deal and again plays in Grand Rapids, I would expect a similar number of games / production again. He's a great mentor for the kids and they all love him down there. I'd personally like to see him spend another season down there helping out the kids on and off the ice. So, no it's not because he was horrible. It's really pissing me off how much disdain some fans are getting over such a great guy, that gave this organization so much over the years. Sure, he stayed a year or two too long, but is that on him? No.

LeftWinger, what's going on with you? I mean you're at least somewhat bearable during the season, but every offseason it's the same old s*** with you. Nothing but doom and gloom, every post is worse than the previous. Relax man, the season starts soon...

#2685105 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by NerveDamage on 26 August 2016 - 12:33 PM

I didn't know Larkin had Amish relatives


#2684848 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 15 August 2016 - 06:23 PM

Its not a question of trading "prospects" for a middle pairing defenseman, its a question of trading "top prospects" for a middle pairing defenseman. And if you'd do that you're crazy.

#2684719 Patrick Roy steps down as Head Coach and VP of Hockey Operations

Posted by F.Michael on 12 August 2016 - 10:59 AM


#2683692 Glendening signs 4-year, $1.8m AAV extension

Posted by joesuffP on 23 July 2016 - 01:44 PM

Again just because he doesn't generate shots doesn't mean he isn't good defensively. Wings defensive zone style is to sit back and allow outside shots and get into lanes. If Glendening had great possession numbers the way he is utilized he'd be Zetterberg in his prime. Giving up a lot of shots doesn't mean you're not doing your job defensively. To say Glendening isn't good defensively is to go against every knowledgeable coach he's ever had

You can really see who on this board goes to Winging it in Mowtown... As soon as you realize those people on that site are nothing but fans you become humbled and realize you're not more knowledgeable than NHL coaches and managers. I'm not going to just cast off all advanced analytics but the data is so skewed on a team to team basis. If we were a Stanley cup contender this data would be alarming. This is a bad hockey team and the data reflects that more so than a single player. What a strange coincidence, every player that isn't used defensively has outstanding numbers and every defensive player has terrible ones. I guess that can only mean those guys are trash and Jurco and smith are elite. If you ran your team based off these stats you wouldn't have a good team

#2683696 Glendening signs 4-year, $1.8m AAV extension

Posted by joesuffP on 23 July 2016 - 02:07 PM

I'm not saying glendening Is the best defensive centre in the league but I know if he played on a good team all these stats would change drastically

This board is putting so much stock in our lower defensive signings. How about having top six forwards that can break 50 points? This team is bad in almost all areas aside from GAA and PK which is decent. But yes our defensive players were our demise. If you're a defensive player on a bad team you'll never ever have good numbers

#2683670 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by joesuffP on 22 July 2016 - 07:11 PM

There wasn't any real reason to turn on Franzen anyways. He was a beast in his prime and even better in the playoffs. After he got older he was still a very good top six player and is pretty much the exact player we are missing right now

The point is people on this forum will turn on anyone regardless of facts just so it follows their own made up narrative

#2683597 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by krsmith17 on 21 July 2016 - 05:06 PM

I refuse to believe Holland is that stupid. However, if this were to happen, I would officially side with the F*** Ken Holland crowd...

#2683582 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Datsyukian-Deke on 21 July 2016 - 01:09 PM

STILL AVAILABLE!!  :devil:  :nhl:  :w00t2:

I have zero problem with Cleary playing in Grand Rapids. The only reason he played as long as he did in the NHL is because he worked harder than those around him. He was never the most talented guy so the younger players can learn from that.

#2683564 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by krsmith17 on 21 July 2016 - 07:48 AM

I get the frustration, but I personally think the Nielsen signing was needed. We couldn't go into the season with Zetterberg / Sheahan / Larkin as our top 3 centers. Zetterberg needs his minutes cut, Larkin isn't ready for number one center duty, and while Sheahan can play 2nd line center in a pinch, I think he's better suited in the bottom 6. I'm one of the few that wanted Helm back, and while it may be half a mil too high and a couple years too long, I think it was a good signing. Vanek is a low risk, high reward signing, but I would have preferred to see a kid get that spot. The Miller and Ott signings are a complete joke... Without the latter three signings we could have had a few more spots open for the kids, who are mostly deserving of spots anyway... Of the players that you mentioned though, I only think Athanasiou and Mantha are ready to be full time NHLers. I'm completely fine with Bertuzzi spending another season in Grand Rapids, and honestly, I don't see Nosek as a high quality NHL player anyway. He might be a decent 3rd line center, but I'd much rather have Helm or Sheahan fill that spot...

#2683297 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by NerveDamage on 16 July 2016 - 11:56 AM

I don't like how the D looks...

#2682885 Datsyuk Announcement to Officially Leave NHL

Posted by VM1138 on 11 July 2016 - 08:06 AM

This has been discussed ad nauseum. It's far easier to visit family within the same country than internationally. Plus, he will actually be nearby frequently because of the teams he will play. It's not that hard to grasp, people.

#2682588 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 07 July 2016 - 09:08 PM

I like the combos, but ott will not be waived. He was brought here to play and play he will. Helm was the useless signing.

I don't think that's necessarily true. I dont think two guys signed to one year contracts for less than a million are necessarily going to be penciled into the lineup. Obviously Helms going to play (and he should), but not the other two. I dont think they're safe. Especially Ott. Holland waived Tootoo, why would he be reluctant to waive Ott?

#2682587 Darren Helm re-signed: 5 years, $3.85m AAV

Posted by krsmith17 on 07 July 2016 - 09:04 PM

I'd prefer Helm on the 3rd line, but I don't see anything wrong with him being down on the 4th either. It's not like he's a one dimentional 4th liner that just eats minutes. He drives possession and is one of the best penalty killers in the entire league. That is where he makes his money, not necessarily 5on5.

Like I said from the beginning, $3.85M is 'slightly' high, but I have no more of a problem with that kind of money on our 4th line than I do with Ericsson and his $4.25M on the 3rd pair...