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#2674783 Official - Little Caesars Arena

Posted by chances14 on 01 May 2016 - 04:29 PM

the overreaction to this is quite hilarious


can't imagine what the reaction would be if an actual fraud company like amway got the naming rights. heck, there should be more hatred towards airline companies and banks. these companies have been ripping people off for years


little ceaser's has been associated with hockey in michigan for decades all the way back to the 70's with the start of the little ceaser's amateur league. Little Cesar's has done more to promote and devleop hockey in this area than any other company


it's a shame people are using something so petty such as their dislike of the pizza as the reason why the arena shouldn't be named after little Ceaser's

#2674761 Official - Little Caesars Arena

Posted by Hockeymom1960 on 01 May 2016 - 01:05 PM

Majority of the people in Michigan think Little Caesar pizza is terrible. They also think for $5 dollars sometimes it's worth it. When I need some cheap pizza on the go I stop by Little Caesars. When I need quality pizza I can name 25 other places in Michigan. And that doesn't even include Jets, Pizza Hut, Dominoes. 


Part of the reason people are "upset" with the name is just that ^.  Little Caesar's is terrible Pizza. It's low quality and crap grade. If they named it the Pizza Hut Arena it would probably be better received. 


Just listing some reasons why people have issue with the name. Illitch named it after his pizza business, which I get. But most people also think his pizza tastes bad and shouldn't be named for an original 6 legendary team arena.


The Red Wings are LEGEND-


wait for it.




Joe Louis (with his 66 wins and 52 by Knockout) was LEGEND 


wait for it.




Little Caesar's is not legendary.


Wings fans are spoiled. They want cool stuff. 


- Think about it this way. For years people in Michigan have made fun of Little Caesar's pizza. Just so happens that Pizza place is about to be named after their sports team arena. PAYBACK! 


Bottom line Wings fans are spoiled and think they are entitled.  Sorry but they aren't and that petition is a joke will not change a thing.  I'd be more concerned with the product on the ice rather than where that product is being played or the name of the arena it's played in.

#2674715 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by krsmith17 on 30 April 2016 - 11:52 PM

My offseason wishlist...

- Trade Pulkkinen along with our first to move up in the draft, and take Bean.
- Trade Ericsson (retain $1M) to Edmonton for 2016 3rd.
- Trade Howard to Carolina for low level prospect.
- Trade Tatar, Ouellet and 2017 first to Winnipeg for Trouba.
- Re-sign all RFA's.
- Re-sign Helm 5 years at $3.25M.
- Datsyuk plays out the remaining year of his contract.

Larkin - Datsyuk - Abdelkader
Nyquist - Zetterberg - Mantha
Athanasiou - Sheahan - Jurco
Helm - Glendening - Callahan

DeKeyser - Trouba
Smith - Green
Kronwall - Marchenko


#2674732 Official - Little Caesars Arena

Posted by Hockeymom1960 on 01 May 2016 - 09:57 AM

Again, some of you are taking it to extreme.

#2674729 Official - Little Caesars Arena

Posted by DickieDunn on 01 May 2016 - 09:26 AM

1) the Skankees also charge more than an average mortgage to take your family to a game. They don't need the revenue.

2) Corporate naming rights are the norm, and it could have been worse.

3) It doesn't matter what they call it, if the team is good it will be packed, of the team sucks it will be empty.

#2674594 Official - Little Caesars Arena

Posted by Buppy on 30 April 2016 - 12:32 AM


All big businesses take advantage of tax breaks. It's nothing new. It's easy to say tax payers will never see a cent, but this is an arena that will be there for decades. Money will be generated in the economy. It's the reason why tax payer money is used in these projects to begin with. If owners had to foot 100% of the bill for these arenas, 90% of the new buildings in the league wouldn't exist. No teams would make any money, where as the economy would still benefit from all the money spent at events all year round. The arena is great for the city, and that's why tax payer dollars go towards it. 


For the record, I think corporations getting tax breaks is garbage, but that is a completely different topic fit for somewhere else. But we'd take them as well if we were given the chance. Such is life. 

Well, there's data that says these arena deals are not good at all for the cities that make them, and I'd say that tax payer dollars go to them because politicians are dips***s who do dips*** things with other people's money. But I don't want to get too political. I'll just say that the DDA (the specific agency that will pay off the bonds) was a thing before the arena deal, and would still exist without it. It's an agency specifically created to do more or less exactly what it is doing with the arena. So if it wasn't the Illitch getting the money, it would be some other billion dollar development company. Given a choice between corporate welfare for a fancy new arena for a team I love, that I'll be able to enjoy for many, many years and corporate welfare for a new upscale condo development or office building or whatever thing I'd likely never know about because it wouldn't be newsworthy...well, I'll take the arena, even with a dumb name and an ugly, terrible-pizza-advertising, boring-non-LED roof.

#2674585 Official - Little Caesars Arena

Posted by Buppy on 30 April 2016 - 12:10 AM

I honestly think he will gain something. I thought my post made that clear, but apparently not. What he's getting is advertising. What he's not getting is the additionally 125 million dollars from selling naming rights to a company that he doesn't own.

Little Caesars/Olympia Development/Illitch Holdings are massive corporations. It's not like he can walk into LC headquarters and grab $6M whenever he wants. The money is almost certainly to come out of funds already earmarked for marketing. The Illitch's and other higher-ups in the corporation have already taken their cut of the LC revenue, and now they'll get a piece of the naming rights revenue as well. I highly doubt there is any difference in "monetary gain" between selling it to his own company or an outside company.

#2674491 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by amato on 29 April 2016 - 03:05 PM

There's zero % chance trouba will ever be made available for an expansion draft ... They'd rather put Myers and enstrom before putting trouba up

Agreed. I read today that the NHL and NHLPA agreed on an expansion draft format and what to do about NTC/NMC but they didn't state what the agreement was..

But I remember something about the nhlpa wanting one or both of the clauses protected and in which case the jets may have too many to protect Trouba or something along those lines

Regardless, they're likely to trade someone this summer so they can get picks/prospects in return that they don't have to protect. 
If I'm a GM of a team that won't be a cup contender next year, I'm deciding now who to protect in the expansion draft and trading anyone outside of that of any value on draft day to stock the farm and land more picks. I would definitely not leave good players exposed and to lose for nothing. 

Yeah a looming expansion draft should do wonders for trades and speculation. I'm pretty excited to see how free agency/the draft unfolds across the league this year and next

#2674401 New arena construction updates

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 29 April 2016 - 12:24 AM

It's almost comical all those new arenas are over the top built, expensive as hell but lack soul, history and of course atmosphere

soo disappointed right now what in the name of is happening to this franchise? whatever the case it's not good

What's next free smartphones and WiFi in the arena? we are talking about the Red Wings here an original 6 team celebrate and embrace it instead of selling out like all the other teams

Though I've loved going to the Joe, the concourse had all the soul and atmosphere of a parking garage. I think the Joe was objectively a pretty crappy arena: inconvenient parking, trough bathrooms, UGLY from the outside, the inconvenient staircase entrance on one side, those shady portal walkways to get to the rink (went there with my Grandpa and he had trouble with the all the walking it took to get there), in a desolate part of town (maybe too harsh, but little is around it and it isn't a warm feeling part of town).


People learn to love those dingy aspects and call them character, but it was time for a change. History comes with time passing. I'm sure The Joe was criticized for it's modern design at some point. 

#2674139 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by krsmith17 on 28 April 2016 - 08:17 AM

"One thing that we want to do, we want to help our guys get better," Blashill said. "That doesn't always mean production wise you're going to improve from year to year. Sometimes it has to do with minutes, and there are only so many minutes to go around, and that can affect a lot of things including production. But part of what we want to do here is make sure we help our guys get better and make sure that we get better as a team."

I'm hoping this is Blashill's way of saying that he will be relying more heavily on the kids next season to "help them get better". I'd rather lose some games with the kids at the beginning of the season than lean heavily on the vets again. The only way they'll learn is to learn from their mistakes in game situations.

I'm hoping Zetterberg is 2nd line winger or 3rd line center, and Kronwall is 3rd pair defenseman, both getting around 12-15 minutes a game...

#2674120 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Son of a Wing on 27 April 2016 - 10:54 PM

1. Abby is a power forward.


2. Losing Abby would make us even smaller and easier to play against.


3. The contract really isn't that bad at all. In fact the AAV is pretty good. 


Get over it and find something legitimate to complain about.  He's the last thing we need to change/fix.

#2673983 Making a move with AUTHORITY!

Posted by krsmith17 on 27 April 2016 - 07:55 AM

I agree that we'd be much better off using those assets to trade for a player like Trouba rather than to trade up in the draft. A guy that just turned 22 that can help us immediately and would be a huge part of our future core moving forward in the "rebuild".


I will say though, that I think Chychrun is going to be a stud, probably not quite as good as Ekblad, but would likely be a top 2 pick in most draft years. This year is a very deep draft that is forward heavy at the top. I also think he could possibly be ready the year after drafting him, the same way as Larkin. But for all those reasons, I say there's little to no chance we're able to move up high enough to land him.


I do agree that you should be looking at the best player available in the first, but if you have two players in mind (a forward and a defenseman) that you have ranked around the same, I think you draft based on need then. My ideal scenario to bolster this defense going forward would be to trade for Trouba, and draft two high end defensemen in the first two rounds...

#2674027 Mantha

Posted by Richdg on 27 April 2016 - 02:09 PM

Just to compare.

Nyquist first trip up was in 11/12. He played 18 games and scored 1 goal.

Tatar first trip up was 10/11. He played 9 games and scored 1 goal.

Datsyuk's first year was 01/02. He played 70 games and had 11 goals.

Abby played 54 games over three seasons: 07-10. He scored 3 goals over that stretch.


Mantha's 2 goals in 10 games is 16 per 80 games. Those are decent numbers for a rookie that wasn't a top 5 pick.

#2674024 Mantha

Posted by Richdg on 27 April 2016 - 02:00 PM

My point being, AHL dominence doesn't always mean a player is a good NHL player. Mantha was not good.

pure craziness. he was good. he wasn't great.

#2673765 Free Press: Pavel Datsyuk to return to Russia following Playoffs

Posted by WingsallTheway on 26 April 2016 - 07:01 AM

hopefully out of our lineup 


If you don't like Helm I dont know what to say.


Sure, he shouldnt be in the top 6 but anywhere in the bottom 6 and hes one of the best in the league. Its not his fault that our coaches think he should be playing on scoring lines