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#2532028 Favorite Dan Cleary Moment or Play

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 14 July 2014 - 02:03 PM

I voted for the game 7 winner in 09.

 

That will probably win, but I like to forget anything that happened in those playoffs.  

 

Cleary was awful in the 2008 playoffs, but the Wings won the Cup.  In 2009, he was brilliant and scored a lot, but the Wings lost and he missed that crucial breakaway at the end of game 6 against the Pens.  

 

2007 is a better memory, because the team vindicated itself after choking in the playoffs in 2003, 2004 and 2006.  Losing to Anaheim on a deflection sucked, and I still feel we'd have won the Cup if not for that play, but overall, that playoff feels better.  Also likely because we won the Cup the following year.  2009 still stings because the Wings haven't won anything since then.




#2532023 Red Wings new assistant coaches

Posted by SwedeLundin77 on 14 July 2014 - 01:28 PM

I feel so bad for whichever new assistant coach ends up with the defense. Talk about a near impossible task.

 

It's not the best, but it's not as bad as you make it out to be.




#2531729 Tomas Jurco's Ridiculous New Stick Trick

Posted by number9 on 11 July 2014 - 11:53 PM

The organization has gotta love this kid. Skilled. Hardworking. And a showman on top of that! He's my favorite of the kids at the moment. IMO he has the highest ceiling as well


#2531927 Holland Wiki page edited

Posted by Barrie on 13 July 2014 - 10:25 AM

Yea, but no one says what they'd do as GM. I bet if the average Red Wing fan became GM, he/she would make horrible trades and sign over priced UFA's. We'd be like the Leafs and our team would be build around guys like Kessel, Phaneuf, Lupul, Clarkson, van Reimsdyk and Bozak for the next 4 years plus. No thanks, I'll take Kenny, who's building the team with the draft, isn't signing any over priced UFA's, and actually knows how the cap works.

 

I understand signing Quincey and Cleary isn't "sexy", but they're only 1 and 2 year deals. That Niskanen deal is insane! Smith and Dekeyser are going to be better then him. Unless a team has drafted the player, I don't think any UFA should be signed for over 4 years. Do an online search and see how many horrible long term UFA signings there's been since 2005-06. The Wings don't have any bad ones over 3 years. The only potential bad one could be Weiss, but he's got a few years to still make the deal a good one.




#2531872 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by number9 on 12 July 2014 - 07:38 PM

I don't know. I guess because these are the things I'm upset about....  
 
I mean if I said he got resigned because he and Ken want to bond over their love of pokemon, then sure you would be right that I was just 'making s*** up' to be pissed about.
 
I really don't think I'm reaching nearly as much as you are suggesting I am. Not even close. In fact I didn't think I was reaching at all on most of those points I made.


Now speculating isn't reaching? Gimme a break


#2531782 Rule Changes in the AHL (what the NHL has considered)

Posted by Euro_Twins on 12 July 2014 - 09:37 AM

I think the helmet one is dumb. If you're in your own end on a pk defending and someone checks you, knocks the helmet off, somehow you deserve a penalty because you don't want to leave your team even more shorthanded to go put the helmet back on or go back to the bench?


#2531809 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 12 July 2014 - 11:31 AM

"Of course I can explain what's wrong with this, I just don't want to! I'll just say it's made up cuz i'm a mod" Well done harold, well done.


It came off as maybe more blunt than intended because I didn't elaborate, but my point stands that you are making all this conjecture about things we have no real idea about.
 

Sure it's speculation. But it isn't baseless. It's called extrapolation and its amazing the amount of info you can get by it. You should try it sometime!
Answer me this:
Do you really think he turned down a 3 year deal from Detroit because his heart was in Detroit? Does that make sense to you?
        - doesn't make sense to me

 

I have no idea and neither do you.  He may not have realized how much he liked playing on the Wings until he was confronted with the reality of playing on another team.  Who knows.
 

Did he turn down multi-year offers from multiple teams (or even 1 team) to come back? Or was it a tryout with one team with no guarantees?
        -Indications are it was the latter (I'll admit I'm not positive as its been claimed both ways, still alot of confusion about this)

 

Holland has said (who you're using as a source so let's say he's reliable) that Cleary had multiple offers from other teams.
 

“He had three-year offers from some teams last year,” Holland said. “We said at the time we would talk at the end of the season.”



 http://www.theoaklan...or-another-year
 
 

Do you think this handshake deal has nothing to do with this signing?
        -Quotes from Holland strongly indicate it does

 

I never said it doesn't. As you point out, Holland said it does.
 
 

Do you really think his agent was just going to forget about said deal?
        -Wouldn't be much of an agent if he did. Of course he's going to reach out to the GM about it.

 

Probably. who knows. But you're stating it as fact and it's speculation on your part.
 
 

And please tell me what kind of positive leadership the guy is bringing to the table and (if there is any) how that outweighs his on ice performances.
        -If they need his locker room presence so bad then they could pay him to sit in the locker room. Pay him a million buck for a few years to be 'President of Team Morale'. No need to sign him to a playing contract.

I don't need to tell you any of that. If you read any of my posts in this thread, I'm not in favor of bringing Cleary back.

 

 

I just pointed out that you're hating him for invented reasons. That he only came back because no one else wanted him.  That he thinks he deserves special treatment.  That his agent keeps bringing up this handshake deal.
 
Nothing you've quoted confirms any of that.  It's all just your speculation, which you admit.  Which means it is not factual, it is made up based on your opinion.  




#2531590 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by Playmaker on 11 July 2014 - 02:04 PM

 

Meh. Would prefer a team on the east or at least central so I can watch the games. 

 

Being in Boston, might start following the Bruins closer. Though I hate a ton of players on the team, I think Chiarell is the best GM in the NHL. 

If you're in Boston, how do you purchase a half season ticket package?




#2531445 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by matthewdanna on 11 July 2014 - 01:02 AM

Ok,

 

So let's say we sign Alfie and with Jurco up we have 15 forwards... one too many.

 

If Cleary gets dramatically outplayed in camp, or a month into the season he just plain awful, we send him to GR, he passes through waivers and we eat $1.5M in cap space and we bring Jurco back up.

OR

Someone gets hurt in camp and the point is moot to start the year...

OR

Cleary turns water into wine, raises the dead, and [insert your own favorite cliche].

OR

One or more of our forwards is/are getting traded

 

Maybe we have someone hurt the majority of the year, he's up on the big team, but is a healthy scratch most of the time... then he could be a like another coach/mentor for the young guys that are up.

 

Who knows what was actually said behind closed doors last year. If the DRW are just keeping their word on some deal they promised then they are doing the honorable thing. Now, I wouldn't have signed him last year in the first place, but I kinda look at it as if Holland signed him to a two year dear last year (cough Quincey this year)... The bell was already rung on this deal.

 

I'd still say that we have bigger fish to fry. I DO believe we need a RH D-man and that means trading one of our D-men at some point.




#2531427 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by Wheelchairsuperhero on 10 July 2014 - 10:58 PM

I agree with those saying they don't blame Cleary. Seems obvious to me. I absolutely hate this signing and it frustrates me endlessly but no one should be bashing Cleary about it. He wants to play and contribute and Holland is dumb enough to let him go for it.


#2531425 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 10 July 2014 - 10:53 PM

Dan Cleary after a pillow fight. 

 

Also, here's what he said about the MASSIVE amount of fan/media criticism today, from MLive:

 

"Everybody is entitled to their opinion," Cleary said. "You try not to let any of the negativity – or the positive comments – affect you. We live in the day of social media; anyone can say anything. You can't worry about what people think. You got to do what you do."

 

Good on him. 

 

Like I said, I don't like this signing but I sure don't blame Cleary for wanting to come back and play for the Red Wings. 

 

And he is one of the toughest and most fearless players on the team.   The ice packs are from years of going to the parts of the ice Franzen is scared to. 




#2531312 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by Jesusberg on 10 July 2014 - 07:16 PM

It's like watching someone hang on too long and become a shell of their former self. This is the Dan Cleary I'm going to remember...




#2531298 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by chances14 on 10 July 2014 - 06:49 PM

I think it would lighten the mood in the locker room if they had a team/teammates that they could be proud of and have confidence in.

 

I don't understand telling Alfie (who was actually pretty good last year, and actually has great leadership) he has to wait and see if he's healthy enough to play, but Cleary, who can barely stand up (and even if he could is totally useless anyway) gets a pass.

from what i've read it was alfie that said he wanted to wait to see how his back feels before deciding if he wants to play




#2531272 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 10 July 2014 - 06:01 PM

To be fair, going back the last 4 playoffs, Cleary has more points than Franzen. 

 

 

(I keep repeating that stat because I still can't believe it's true). 

 

 

I was and still am a big Cleary fan.  I can't fault the guy for still wanting to play hockey with the Wings.  But they should not have re-signed him. 




#2531237 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by goredwings on 10 July 2014 - 05:23 PM

You people are all way too serous about this. Take a step back from your keyboard and breath.

 

The positive of this is it a 1 year deal we have a ton of cap space and looks like no way of using it.

 

If he performs like he has prior to the last couple of years you will all be in love with this move come season end.

 

He is a veteran player who can be trusted by the coach and knows the system, you are all very well aware of how fragile this team is so veteran leadership and depth at this price is a no brainer even if he does not play a game.

 

As for the GM I would like to see how some of the posters on this site would be able to pull off the NHL 2014 trades that some of you so desperately want. I can't imagine that it's that easy or you'd be a GM in this league by now.

 

Life long wings fan here who is a realistic person.

 

Chill out relax and enjoy the show!!!!