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#2531809 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 12 July 2014 - 11:31 AM

"Of course I can explain what's wrong with this, I just don't want to! I'll just say it's made up cuz i'm a mod" Well done harold, well done.


It came off as maybe more blunt than intended because I didn't elaborate, but my point stands that you are making all this conjecture about things we have no real idea about.
 

Sure it's speculation. But it isn't baseless. It's called extrapolation and its amazing the amount of info you can get by it. You should try it sometime!
Answer me this:
Do you really think he turned down a 3 year deal from Detroit because his heart was in Detroit? Does that make sense to you?
        - doesn't make sense to me

 

I have no idea and neither do you.  He may not have realized how much he liked playing on the Wings until he was confronted with the reality of playing on another team.  Who knows.
 

Did he turn down multi-year offers from multiple teams (or even 1 team) to come back? Or was it a tryout with one team with no guarantees?
        -Indications are it was the latter (I'll admit I'm not positive as its been claimed both ways, still alot of confusion about this)

 

Holland has said (who you're using as a source so let's say he's reliable) that Cleary had multiple offers from other teams.
 

“He had three-year offers from some teams last year,” Holland said. “We said at the time we would talk at the end of the season.”



 http://www.theoaklan...or-another-year
 
 

Do you think this handshake deal has nothing to do with this signing?
        -Quotes from Holland strongly indicate it does

 

I never said it doesn't. As you point out, Holland said it does.
 
 

Do you really think his agent was just going to forget about said deal?
        -Wouldn't be much of an agent if he did. Of course he's going to reach out to the GM about it.

 

Probably. who knows. But you're stating it as fact and it's speculation on your part.
 
 

And please tell me what kind of positive leadership the guy is bringing to the table and (if there is any) how that outweighs his on ice performances.
        -If they need his locker room presence so bad then they could pay him to sit in the locker room. Pay him a million buck for a few years to be 'President of Team Morale'. No need to sign him to a playing contract.

I don't need to tell you any of that. If you read any of my posts in this thread, I'm not in favor of bringing Cleary back.

 

 

I just pointed out that you're hating him for invented reasons. That he only came back because no one else wanted him.  That he thinks he deserves special treatment.  That his agent keeps bringing up this handshake deal.
 
Nothing you've quoted confirms any of that.  It's all just your speculation, which you admit.  Which means it is not factual, it is made up based on your opinion.  




#2531590 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by Playmaker on 11 July 2014 - 02:04 PM

 

Meh. Would prefer a team on the east or at least central so I can watch the games. 

 

Being in Boston, might start following the Bruins closer. Though I hate a ton of players on the team, I think Chiarell is the best GM in the NHL. 

If you're in Boston, how do you purchase a half season ticket package?




#2531445 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by matthewdanna on 11 July 2014 - 01:02 AM

Ok,

 

So let's say we sign Alfie and with Jurco up we have 15 forwards... one too many.

 

If Cleary gets dramatically outplayed in camp, or a month into the season he just plain awful, we send him to GR, he passes through waivers and we eat $1.5M in cap space and we bring Jurco back up.

OR

Someone gets hurt in camp and the point is moot to start the year...

OR

Cleary turns water into wine, raises the dead, and [insert your own favorite cliche].

OR

One or more of our forwards is/are getting traded

 

Maybe we have someone hurt the majority of the year, he's up on the big team, but is a healthy scratch most of the time... then he could be a like another coach/mentor for the young guys that are up.

 

Who knows what was actually said behind closed doors last year. If the DRW are just keeping their word on some deal they promised then they are doing the honorable thing. Now, I wouldn't have signed him last year in the first place, but I kinda look at it as if Holland signed him to a two year dear last year (cough Quincey this year)... The bell was already rung on this deal.

 

I'd still say that we have bigger fish to fry. I DO believe we need a RH D-man and that means trading one of our D-men at some point.




#2531427 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by Wheelchairsuperhero on 10 July 2014 - 10:58 PM

I agree with those saying they don't blame Cleary. Seems obvious to me. I absolutely hate this signing and it frustrates me endlessly but no one should be bashing Cleary about it. He wants to play and contribute and Holland is dumb enough to let him go for it.


#2531425 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 10 July 2014 - 10:53 PM

Dan Cleary after a pillow fight. 

 

Also, here's what he said about the MASSIVE amount of fan/media criticism today, from MLive:

 

"Everybody is entitled to their opinion," Cleary said. "You try not to let any of the negativity – or the positive comments – affect you. We live in the day of social media; anyone can say anything. You can't worry about what people think. You got to do what you do."

 

Good on him. 

 

Like I said, I don't like this signing but I sure don't blame Cleary for wanting to come back and play for the Red Wings. 

 

And he is one of the toughest and most fearless players on the team.   The ice packs are from years of going to the parts of the ice Franzen is scared to. 




#2531312 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by Jesusberg on 10 July 2014 - 07:16 PM

It's like watching someone hang on too long and become a shell of their former self. This is the Dan Cleary I'm going to remember...




#2531298 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by chances14 on 10 July 2014 - 06:49 PM

I think it would lighten the mood in the locker room if they had a team/teammates that they could be proud of and have confidence in.

 

I don't understand telling Alfie (who was actually pretty good last year, and actually has great leadership) he has to wait and see if he's healthy enough to play, but Cleary, who can barely stand up (and even if he could is totally useless anyway) gets a pass.

from what i've read it was alfie that said he wanted to wait to see how his back feels before deciding if he wants to play




#2531272 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 10 July 2014 - 06:01 PM

To be fair, going back the last 4 playoffs, Cleary has more points than Franzen. 

 

 

(I keep repeating that stat because I still can't believe it's true). 

 

 

I was and still am a big Cleary fan.  I can't fault the guy for still wanting to play hockey with the Wings.  But they should not have re-signed him. 




#2531237 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by goredwings on 10 July 2014 - 05:23 PM

You people are all way too serous about this. Take a step back from your keyboard and breath.

 

The positive of this is it a 1 year deal we have a ton of cap space and looks like no way of using it.

 

If he performs like he has prior to the last couple of years you will all be in love with this move come season end.

 

He is a veteran player who can be trusted by the coach and knows the system, you are all very well aware of how fragile this team is so veteran leadership and depth at this price is a no brainer even if he does not play a game.

 

As for the GM I would like to see how some of the posters on this site would be able to pull off the NHL 2014 trades that some of you so desperately want. I can't imagine that it's that easy or you'd be a GM in this league by now.

 

Life long wings fan here who is a realistic person.

 

Chill out relax and enjoy the show!!!!




#2530777 Red Wings Target Mike Green

Posted by krsmith17 on 09 July 2014 - 11:16 AM

Yes Dabura, let's mortgage the future. For what? A year of Green? No, thanks!

Jurco, in my mind is much more of a sure thing than either of Nyquist or Tatar. You're right he is 21, 2-3 years younger than either of the other guys, and has accomplished much more than either at the same age. I'm not saying we should trade any of these guys, because I would be crushed if we lost Nyquist or Tatar but if I were to say that only one is untouchable, it would without question be Jurco, hands down...

I'm not worried though, Jurco isn't going anywhere.




#2530765 Red Wings Target Mike Green

Posted by kipwinger on 09 July 2014 - 10:26 AM

It's almost like they're negotiating.  Like, one side asks for something incredibly high.  And then the other side counters with something incredibly low.  And then they eventually work their way toward something palpable for each side.  Hmmm....




#2530536 What's best for Mantha?

Posted by frankgrimes on 08 July 2014 - 12:59 AM

Babcock is far from being the problem, the guy had been given a mediocre roster at best and yet coached them into the plaoffs 2 season in a row. I think the reception around the league is "very hard but fair" and that's exactly what you want from your coach. A coach isn't someone who can/should let his personal feelings disrupt his ability to ice the best roster he can with the given material.

 

Babcock got a bunch of superstars to play a team first game for him and absolutely crushed the olympics. Guy is by far the best coach in hockey and there is a reason why a guy like Super Mario is only offering a one year coaching contract (2 year payment).. Once Babcock is gone, people will start to realize how fortunate he were with him.




#2530505 What's best for Mantha?

Posted by nosyt612 on 07 July 2014 - 09:26 PM

This is a link to the puck daddy article for the 2012 nhlpa player poll, unfortunately it does not appear to be on the cbc's website any longer.  

 

https://ca.sports.ya...-183449176.html

 

Detroit ranks second as the team players would most like to play for and if my memory is correct Babs was in the top 3 for coaches that players wanted to play for.  Everyone is overreacting to us not getting every free agent we want.  As marcaractac laid out there's often good reasons people sign elsewhere. 

 

Edit:  Apparently I don't know how to work the internet sometimes, here's a link to the player poll (Babcock is 4th btw)

 

http://www.playerspoll.ca/




#2530454 Bryan Murray Diagnosed with Cancer

Posted by LeftWinger on 07 July 2014 - 04:00 PM

I didn't see this already being discussed, if there is one already please delete this one...

 

Once again, I am having trouble with my paste commands on here but if you go to detnews.com the article is there.

 

This is sad news, I hope he can beat it! I am having one tonight in honor of the man who help build our Dynasty!

 

 

quick little funny story, when he was coach/gm for us, I was pushing wheel chairs at metro and always was on the look out for NHL players traveling.  I ran into Bryan Murray on his way to GM meetings and they were in the middle of a 10-15 game unbeaten streak at the time. A lot of people were starting to recognize him and I jokingly asked him, "Its kind of hard to remain anonymous now-a-days isn't it?"  He laughed and answered yes. He then started asking about what I do at the airport and just being friendly in general.  During our conversation I mentioned that I was going to the game the next night.  He said make sure his assistants coaches do a good job while he was gone. I said no problem! Well they lost.  Oh well.  Now, fast forward a few days later after the meetings and I am at work in my work station and I happen to see him walking through towards baggage claim. He saw me and approached me and asked me what happened and that he thought I was going to take care of things...lol! I told him I submitted some line changes but they wouldn't listen to me!  He had a laugh!  I thought is was so cool that with all the business of the NHL and the thousands of fans he meets, that he actually remembered our conversation and even was down to earth enough to give me a little egg on my face...

 

Great, great guy and great Hockey mind.  It's just too bad he hasn't been able to win that Cup yet...stay strong Bryan and beat this!




#2530456 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by LeftWinger on 07 July 2014 - 04:05 PM

...although it seems now he isn't too concerned about making moves for an immediate run. But he also is NOT endangering our future. I like our kids and our top 25 prospects.