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#2555052 Honest question for everyone.

Posted by kipwinger on 09 December 2014 - 09:44 AM

How long do you have to see a player or team doing something before you put a label on them?

Like for example I've seen people call Franzen a 30 goal a year scorer even though he has done it once.

I'm just curious what peoples timelines are for putting a label on someone.

For me it's 2-3 years.


That's why I've personally given Weiss the injury prone tag cause that's how his last few years have been. But if he stays healthy for the rest of this year and next then I'll remove that injury prone label and pencil him in as a reliable second line player(hopefully center).

I only ask because people call me negative by using this method. But I feel that usin a 2-3 year rule is the best way to form an educated guess.

The last two years the wings finished 8th. So my educated guess was they'll finish in the 6th-10th range just because that's been the trend.

If Tatar scores 30 goals this year some people will consider that enough to label him a 30 goal a year guy? I want to see it for two years back to back or two out of three.

Some people jumped on the helm bandwagon last year when he scored at a higher rate than he ever did. I was called negative for saying that won't continue because of several years of stats showing that.


Would people consider nyquist and Tatar proven NHLers yet?

 

Weiss was injured for about as long as Brendan Smith was making boneheaded mistakes in the defensive zone (the lockout season and last season) and I didn't see you "labeling" Smith a turnover machine or f*** up.  Why?  Because you don't want to think that about Smith.  Just like you do want to think that about Weiss.  Because you'd rather be right than be accurate.  You can say "I've always said I want to be wrong about Weiss" but your entire body of work here on LGW suggests otherwise. 

 

Which, I suspect, is why people respond to you the way that they do.  I said the same thing you did about Helm's shooting percentage and wasn't called negative.  Again, why?  I'll tell you why.  Packaging.  If you don't want to be perceived as negative, then stop presenting your thoughts in a negative way.  If you don't care, then why make this thread?




#2555001 It's gotta be asked....What's up with Hank?

Posted by Detroit # 1 Fan on 08 December 2014 - 11:52 PM

It's been so long since he's been healthy in an 82 game schedule, people forget he always has his lulls offensively during the year. Like you said, still an ace defensively. He'll come around soon, and Franzen seems to make every line he plays on worse lately. Hurry back Abby. 




#2554932 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by kipwinger on 08 December 2014 - 04:50 PM

I know he is really good. I was kidding lol.

 

Aha.  There I go taking life too seriously again. 




#2554885 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by kipwinger on 08 December 2014 - 02:09 PM

 

Maybe he'll know how to play defense by then  :ninja:

 

He's perfectly fine defensively.  He's no worse than any other puck moving d-man.  It's just a tag he got stuck with because he broke into the league when he was like 20, and wasn't great.  Since then he's played 20+ minutes a night, on a defense first team, with a defense first coach. 

 

It's just like how Franzen can have an almost identical ppg average year to year and be inconsistent, or how "Osgood lets in the occasional floater" 15 years after he let in the occasional floater.  It's just something people say because that's what other people say, and they said it because somebody else once said it too. 

 

If Yandle played here every single person on this forum would absolutely cream themselves.  He's REALLY good. 




#2554904 Are the Wings a Contender?

Posted by matthewdanna on 08 December 2014 - 03:02 PM

Tank it


http://espn.go.com/nhl/powerrankings




#2554899 Are the Wings a Contender?

Posted by Dabura on 08 December 2014 - 02:48 PM

We is a contender.




#2554900 Jonathan Bernier - Nelson Mandela Comments

Posted by rick zombo on 08 December 2014 - 02:53 PM

This just proves they teach kids nothing in Canada besides hockey and pro wrestling.   :lol:

 

Which would mean that our kids learn two more things than the average American :lol:




#2554884 Jonathan Bernier - Nelson Mandela Comments

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 08 December 2014 - 02:06 PM

 

Slap shots and elbow drops. weeooooooooooooooooooooo


 

If you look at the standings, they are basically the opposite of where the Pistons are  :ninja:

 

And no one knows about it.  




#2554826 Jonathan Bernier - Nelson Mandela Comments

Posted by The Greek on 08 December 2014 - 12:23 PM

 
Besides Mandela was a communist and a criminal to the state.  He was arrested numorous times for sedious activities and tried for treason.
 


What's your opinion on guys like George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, or John Adams?


#2554806 Jonathan Bernier - Nelson Mandela Comments

Posted by Son of a Wing on 08 December 2014 - 11:27 AM

If you don't know who Nelson Mandela is then your education system failed you...




#2554835 Datsyuk NHL 1st star last week

Posted by rick zombo on 08 December 2014 - 12:31 PM

Tank it




#2554761 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by gcom007 on 08 December 2014 - 12:51 AM

Why bother right now? We're tied for 2nd in the league. The team for the most part looks great. Sure, it may be reasonable to say we're operating on a best case scenario trajectory, but right now, it's working. If it keeps up, we'll be a destination at the deadline and the fact that we don't really need to make any major moves will give us a bit of leverage. Maybe then we find a halfway-decent 3/4 defenseman to tighten up the pairings. That's about all we really need at this point. Sure, some of the kids could dry up, it wouldn't be the first time, but we've got more of them who could come up and perhaps play well.

 

But all in all, I just don't think offense is or is going to be our problem, and I think we should wait and see what opportunities arise closer to the deadline now that we might actually make it on to a few guy's lists. Otherwise, there's just no compelling reason to shake things up right now.




#2554734 Tomas Tatar Appreciation Thread

Posted by greenrebellion on 07 December 2014 - 09:52 PM

When it comes to evaluating his own players I think everyone can agree he excels there. He struggled in the trade and free agency department.


He has admitted to having a conservative trading approach because you need youth to survive in the cap world. So I think his approach is proving to be quite successful in the trading department as well.


#2554733 Tomas Tatar Appreciation Thread

Posted by number9 on 07 December 2014 - 09:52 PM

When it comes to evaluating his own players I think everyone can agree he excels there. He struggled in the trade and free agency department.

 

IDK, that Weiss guy is doing pretty good now.




#2554729 Tomas Tatar Appreciation Thread

Posted by greenrebellion on 07 December 2014 - 09:32 PM

Maybe Holland knows what he's doing after all!