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#2531411 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by marcaractac on 10 July 2014 - 10:27 PM



Good to know his knee seems to be doing much better now. I do hope he proves us wrong, and I'm glad he understands he has to earn a spot in the lineup. Like I said before, he does not hurt the team if he can't keep up and ends up in the press box. Watching all the games doesn't take a roster spot from anybody in GR. 


The signing is frustrating. That's something I agree with. I do think it is crappy for certain fans (mainly twitter) to be bashing Cleary over it. The guy wants to play. Sure I don't think it should be here, but I can't fault the guy for still having the determination to contribute. This is one situation where I am dying to eat some crow.


Prove us all wrong, Dano.

#2531326 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by marcaractac on 10 July 2014 - 07:27 PM

I'd buy into the whole, "the best players will play" thing if last year didn't go down the way it did - with some of this team's best talent in the AHL... *sigh*


But in the end, old guys were benched for the kids. It didn't start well, but in the end the best players did play. If it continues to be that way, this isn't a big deal.

#2531282 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by marcaractac on 10 July 2014 - 06:13 PM


There is no positive to this, unless you are Helene St. James. First off, just because you have cap space doesn't mean blowing it on players that aren't going to help the team is prudent. Even for a year, it is completely not necessary to keep Cleary around. The Wings have an abundance of veteran leadership; all of which are still capable of playing hockey. Cleary doesn't add anything to the locker room, that isn't already there in the likes of Zetterberg, Kronwall, Datsyuk, probably Alfredsson too. 


Second, Dan Cleary is not reverting to previous form. 35 years old with no knees and other injury history is not an ideal reclamation project. I loved Cleary, but he hasn't been remotely useful in years because his style of play eventually broke him down physically. You don't get that back with age and some time at the gym. The simple fact is the Red Wings have superior talent already on the roster that are now at risk of losing their spot because of Cleary. Not to mention, there is a precedent set from not even a year ago that the Wings are willing to demote players to Grand Rapids at the expense of veterans with nothing of value to offer the team. 


Realistic is knowing Ken Holland's history and realizing how this is going to play out. None of which makes the Red Wings a better team come September. I don't quite understand what making a trade has to do with Cleary either. Much like the Quincey signing, Holland's best course of action was to do nothing. Instead, in typical fashion, he made a bad situation worse by clinging to his fascination with players he knows and washed up veterans. I can somewhat deal with striking out on free agents, but making senseless moves for the sake of doing something is far worse than just letting everything be. 


Again, I ask what is the direction of the Red Wings organization under Ken Holland right now? It obviously isn't youth movement, as many times as Holland prefers to lie to us otherwise. Holland is insulting the fan base with claims of letting the kids play when every move he makes indicates the opposite entirely. It isn't win now either or else we aren't all discussing Dan Cleary re-signing. So that leads me to believe extending the playoff streak and lingering in mediocrity is the preferred vision of the front office. 


Yeah, Cleary will look terrific not being able to skate in our five game first round loss. 


To be fair he was one of the more productive forwards in the 2013 playoffs. Say what you want about the guy, but when it comes playoff time, he leaves it all on the table. Also one of the only guys on the roster who can get those much needed garbage goals. Yes, it is a shame his body is broken down. But because of the fact he is here for the season, there is no harm in hoping he can step it up for the playoffs one last time. 


It's a bad signing. I get it. I agree with it. But it is done. So I'm damn well gonna hope for the best.

#2531255 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by marcaractac on 10 July 2014 - 05:39 PM

I don't like the signing, but for the sake of the team, I hope Cleary proves us all wrong. 

#2531244 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by marcaractac on 10 July 2014 - 05:31 PM


Well, that's wonderful for you.


I agree, that generally there's a time and a place for such restraint and perspective.


And then there's the day that Ken Holland signed Dan Cleary again.


If ever there was a day to blow off some steam, it's today...


Too be fair, people have been blowing off steam for the past 10 days  :lol:

#2531203 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by marcaractac on 10 July 2014 - 04:51 PM


Do you really believe that Holland will release or demote Cleary over a youngster that can be sent down even if the youngster completely outplays Cleary?? What message does it send to the young players in the organization? They preach to them to work hard and youll earn your spot but all they end up seeing is those spots theyve earned given to players that should have been put out to pasture years ago.


When did I say that? I clearly said in a previous post that there will have to be a couple guys in the press box, and that Cleary is better suited to that than a guy like Jurco. You want Jurco in that role instead of playing top line minutes in Grand Rapids? Jurco would be in the AHL to start the season without Cleary. Stop acting like this signing is holding him back. It isn't.


Edit: People can get on my case all they want. I'm just trying to discuss the signing itself rather than see this become yet ANOTHER Holland bashing thread. Don't we already have enough of those?

#2531199 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by marcaractac on 10 July 2014 - 04:49 PM


The only way he doesn't play is if he gets hurt and can't play. That's how it worked this past season with him and Samuelsson. There's no "hard line" with him. It's a lie.


Then why did he end up a healthy scratch last season?

#2531192 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by marcaractac on 10 July 2014 - 04:43 PM

Since I dont like to just watch dumpster fires, here's even more fuel:


Per Khan:


This same article also has Holland saying Cleary will have to beat out other players to be in the lineup. But lets ignore that because it isn;t in line with Holland bashing.

#2531093 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by marcaractac on 10 July 2014 - 03:45 PM

I'm just gonna hope he is able to earn his in game bonus. If he plays bad, he'll be scratched. If he gets hurt, he won't play. If he plays well, good for us. 


I'd rather him not be signed at all, but the deal has been made, so I'm not going to get angry about it. It isn;t handicapping the teams future by any means, so it isn't the end of the world. Knee jerk reaction free is the way to be.

#2531081 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by marcaractac on 10 July 2014 - 03:39 PM

Cleary signs with Red Wings. $1.5 plus $1M I'm games bonuses.one year

#2531067 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by marcaractac on 10 July 2014 - 03:34 PM

It's ok, folks. He'll be injured by November and miss the rest of the season anyway.

#2530935 Kane & Toews Sign Identical 8-year, $10.5M AAV Extensions

Posted by marcaractac on 09 July 2014 - 09:44 PM

Unless there is another Lockout around the corner this should handcuff the Hawks pretty badly. If I got my math right thats over 25% (close to a third) of their current capspace tied into these two players.

Cap is gonna keep going up. These contracts won't be bad in 3 years time

#2530645 Red Wings Target Mike Green

Posted by marcaractac on 08 July 2014 - 04:00 PM


To be fair, literally half of our defense can NEITHER play defense NOR score points.  He's at least an improvement in that regard. 


The problem isn't the lack of ability to defend, it is a lack of ability to move the puck out of the zone. Green would make this team MUCH better at that. Pair him with a Kronwall or Ericsson and all will be fine.

I've seen a lot of Tatar or jurco as a trade item. Why not Anderson? Washington needs centers and you could add franzen and or a pick to get the deal done. Anderson is already an extra piece in our lineup


Andersson is definitely expendable, he just doesn't have any trade value. You might get a 4th round draft pick for him if you're lucky. Even that I feel is being generous. He is solid defensively, and can chip in points from time to time, but he is too slow. That will always hold him back.

#2530643 Red Wings Target Mike Green

Posted by marcaractac on 08 July 2014 - 03:56 PM

Keep Tatar over Jurco? Really?? Please tell me you're the only Wings fan that would do that... Jurco has top line winger written all over him. Tatar on the other hand is a middling 2nd, 3rd line winger. I guarantee when GM's are talking to Ken Holland, they are asking for Jurco long before Tatar is mentioned. But no need to worry because Green shouldn't cost anything close to any of those guys...


Ideally you'd like to keep them both, but if I had to choose one to trade, it would be Tatar. Not a knock on him at all, but Jurco is gonna be a special player. He has size and knows how to use it.

#2530577 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by marcaractac on 08 July 2014 - 10:15 AM

That be a foolish bet. Looking at guys like z dat Weiss and Franzen they're trending down injury wise. So why on earth would you expect it to be different? It's fine to hope and dream but you're basically asking for the sun to rise from the west...


The issues Hank have been having have been repaired. Weiss will be fine. He was stubborn and played hurt, and made things worst. He will be healthy and good to go this season. The extra long summer will help  Datsyuk a lot. There are also no olympics to cause him to keep playing hurt so he can represent his country. Franzen being out from time to time won;t be the end of the world with the depth in the system. In the end, it is highly unlikely these guys combined miss anywhere close to what they did last year. Wouldn't be a foolish bet what so ever.