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#2518717 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by marcaractac on 01 May 2014 - 03:58 PM

I guess I'm being kind of a wet, contrarion blanket. I can't say we need a solid top-four defenseman and then shoot down a seemingly perfect fit who'd only cost money. And it's not like epic overpayment isn't the norm these days. I'd just feel better if he were a surer thing. Like, Yandle is a similar player who's rumored to be maybe kinda sorta available for a top-six forward and a prospect, and while Niskanen is right-handed and would only cost money, I'd probably rather trade a key piece or two or three for Yandle's services based on Yandle's body of work. Any acquisition is a risk, a gamble, but we could be 90% sure Yandle would be a beast for us. Niskanen? Less certain.


I do understand the concern. I agree no signing is a sure thing. But it is less of a risk when no assets are given up. Even if he didn't pan out, there are always teams like Florida who can't lure a UFA to save their lives who would likely take a gamble on a contract dump. It's not like they ever have to worry about cap space lol.


But based on Niskanen's body of work, the risk is very small. The reward is also potentially great. If he were to turn out to be a great Red Wing, that also allows Holland a little freedom in using a defensive prospect in part of a trade to fix future holes in the lineup.


Or you could sign Niskanen, take the risk, and use those assets on a forward with size, speed, skill, and grit who has already identified your team as being one he'd wave his NTC to come to.  Just sayin'. 


Just don't give up Smith is all  :lol:

#2518705 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by marcaractac on 01 May 2014 - 03:03 PM


Yeah, wouldn't want to marginally overpay for a good young talent (Erhoff, Wisniewski, Niskanen) when there are bargains everywhere you look (Commodore, White, Colaiacovo). 


We've been down this road before.  Just overpay for Niskanen by a million dollars if necessary (5.5 for 5 years) and let him grow into it. Either that or we can A) do nothing to our defense (which seems to be working great so far, ugh) or B) sign some marginal journeyman or aging vet and hope they produce over their heads (which I'm sure will totally work this time too, double ugh).


The planets have aligned for Holland to upgrade the blueline through UFA. In the past, there were cap worries. Now, there is not. No more excuses. Holland needs to make it so unless Niskanen flat out does not want to play in Detroit, that he will come here. He needs to be willing to match any contract for him within reason. 


Edit: I'm not gonna quote you cause im too lazy. I agree Ouellet and Marchenko would likely be an improvement over kindl and lashoff (but who wouldn't?), it is a MUCH bigger risk going into the season with a rookie 3rd pairing than it would be to sign Niskanen. We need to vastly improve the D, not potentially marginally improve it. 

#2518674 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by marcaractac on 01 May 2014 - 12:28 PM

We already did that for a player who had little impact and I don't expect to return
Can't compare niskanen to Rafalski geez ... Wait a few more years and see how niskanen does first , it's just one year basically

Jim carey also won the Vezina


I'm not comparing the 2 as players. I'm saying like Rafalski did at the time, he would fill a huge need if signed. He has also shown he is good for more than 1 year. This has just been his break out year. AND he can get it done in the playoffs. It would be insane to not sign him if given the chance. He is also good defensively. He will continue to get better, and would pretty much become the 2nd best dman on this team right off the bat. 

Niskanen also got a lot more ice time because letang had a stroke And paul martin played like half a season and orpik isn't an offensive dman , only other d to play the full season is Maata and he's a rookie

Think that definetly helped niskanen get more pts dont see it happening again if letang plays all year and so do the other d's


They are all back now, and Niskanen is still getting more than 20 minutes per game. Because he has earned it and is producing. He can play on the PP and the PK. He's good, he's young, and he's what the Wings need. a HUGE upgrade over Q. Get rid of Kindl and Lashoff, and then have 2 of the kids be the 6th and 7th dman. If/when the time comes the kids are better than any of the 5 dmen ahead of them, moves can be made to accommodate that. Signing Niskanen doesn't jeopardize the future, it gives this team more assets to deal with. Kronwall, Dekeyser, Ericsson, Smith, and Niskanen. Those are 5 dmen that many other teams would love to have if any of the kids were to steal their job. It's not like we'd have a bunch of untradable contracts on the back end handcuffing the team. 

#2518669 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by marcaractac on 01 May 2014 - 12:11 PM

There's nobody out there like Shea Weber. Shea Weber's don't come around too often either. And 5 million is a big difference from 8 million. I think if the Wings could get Niskanen for around 5 million a year, they should do it. No matter how you look at it, he's going to get a raise and he's sort of what we need RIGHT NOW. I honestly don't watch too many Pens games so I couldn't tell you if he's overrated or not but he just seems like what we need. I could be wrong though.


He is the real deal. Look at the talent the Pens have on the back end, then look at his ice time. He has earned it. At his age, he is also only coming into his prime. Adding him would be as perfect a fit as adding Rafalski was back in 2007.


No way San Jose gives him up. Marleau and Thornton are 34. I think he's someone they're going to look to be the leader once those two are gone. The trade would have to be heavily in their favor for them to actually do it.


Crazier things have happened when GM's get desperate to keep their job.

#2518528 WCQF - Series H - San Jose versus Los Angeles

Posted by marcaractac on 30 April 2014 - 11:47 PM

Yeah I think McLellan is gone Too many failures in the playoffs including this epic one.


Sad but true. Even though it has been proven it is the the core of this team that can't get it done, and not the coaches. The Thornton curse continues

#2518517 WCQF - Series E - Colorado vs. Minnesota

Posted by marcaractac on 30 April 2014 - 11:37 PM

Bryz with a 1 save game 7 overtime win lol

#2518505 Tortorella To Be Fired

Posted by marcaractac on 30 April 2014 - 11:22 PM

In other news, the sky is blue.

#2518483 Wings will buy out Tootoo, not Franzen.

Posted by marcaractac on 30 April 2014 - 10:48 PM

No buying him out means WERE STUCK WITH FRANZEN.


Franzen isn't getting bought out regardless. When are people going to realize that buying out Tootoo has nothing to do with Mule?


Also, Franzen is not this teams problem! He isn't out there costing the Wings games.

#2518445 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by marcaractac on 30 April 2014 - 07:49 PM

Waah! Quit ridiculing me.


Kidding. :)


Nahhh No ridicule from me. I always try to see things from the positive side :)

#2518413 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by marcaractac on 30 April 2014 - 04:36 PM

Am I the only one who thinks trading Helm, Smith and a 1st for Kesler is insane? With his style of play, i'll be shocked if he can play at the level he has (when healthy) for 4 or 5 years. If we're gonna be trading young NHL level players, Kesler is not the idea candidate. Trade for someone entering their prime, or stick with what they have and reassess at the deadline. We're finally rid of Cleary. We don't need another player whose body will start to break down on him in the next few years. Especially at that price. 


Edit: Also, with the improvement Smith showed over the course of just one full season, I think it would be crazy to give him up now. Also unlike Kesler, most of Helm's injuries have been freak injuries. We can't give up on him when he is finally healthy and is only now gonna get a healthy summer of training in. 

#2518316 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by marcaractac on 30 April 2014 - 01:00 AM

Barring a trade we have Mantha, Jurco, Pulkkinen as our RWs for top 9 and Zetterberg, Nyquist, Tatar as our LWs for top 9. Franzen's contract goes for quite a while longer. If we buy him out this year or in a few he WILL be bought out at some point it seems. 


Even without adding a Moulson/Vanek I think we can make a trade for a top 4 young defender.




Tatar, Ericsson, 3rd for Bogosian (WPG has a glut of RD and Bogo had an off season)

Tatar, Ericsson, Ouellet, 1st for Subban (obvious clashing with coaches in MTL)

Some megapackage for Weber (NSH might want to cash in on him for some offensive help before he declines - they are also deep at D)

(Sprinkle in Almquist/Franzen/Kindl/Lashoff/Andersson/Picks)


I think with the glut of assets we have it makes no sense to move a few for borderline top pairing potential - we have to go all in for a sure thing. I want to avoid moving one of our D prospects for an Edler/Ehrhoff then have the kid outplay these players in a couple years for the next decade while Edler/Ehrhoff are on the decline (that is my nightmare). I also don't want to sign Niskanen long term and then only have 1 D spot open for our kids in the next while until Kronwall retires. 


Nothing against Tatar, but I think we can afford to trade him. I just don't find him to be the type of player that wins you a playoff series. With Nyquist we already have a young undersized winger and I like the size and physicality that Jurco provides over him. Mantha isn't being moved for obvious reasons. Pulkkinen shouldn't be traded yet because his value is low without NHL time. As for Ericsson, I think he is young enough to have value to other teams and with Kronwall, Smith, and Dekeyser we already have our future at LD taken care of even without Ouellet, Backman, Almquist in the conversation. We should avoid trading Sproul, Marchenko right now as they are the only RD we have in the organization going into next year. 


Unless a guy like Weber is being shopped, I say going after Niskanen or Boyle should be the priority. Boyle only if he can't get Niskanen. At least Boyle can bridge the gap to the kids taking over the blueline.


If any forwards are traded, I'd imagine it would be for bigger, gritty forwards. We have a lot of guys with skill, and some with size. But if the opportunity presents itself a legit power forward type, I figure that's the only way kids should be traded. Luckily Jurco may very well grow into that role, though it never hurts to have a couple guys like that. If that need were filled, at least then Franzen would be a player that would be depended on. he could alternate between the 2nd and 3rd line, depending on whether he is hot or not. I'd be ok with Mule staying if the team had the leisure to put him on the 3rd line to be a responsible defensive forward when he is in one of his scoring funks. It is the fact that he has always had to be in the top 6 that really killed the team's scoring when he went cold.  In the end, I'd like to see him used in the Homer role again. When it comes down to it, that's what cause him to break out as a scoring beast to begin with. It was after that he started playing as more of a skilled forward, which made him very streaky. He is a big body, and showed in the past he is good at deflections. It would be a good role for him when age starts to slow his production. 

Didn't know where to post this, but in this article Weiss says he was battling the hernia even before game 1. This gives credence what many have said - that we haven't seen the real Weiss.


Props to Weiss for never using it as an excuse, even though most of us knew better. The few games he did play, he always worked his ass off. He just never had that jump he has always had in the past. Really hoping summer treats him well. If it does, I am confident he will be an impact player for this team next season. 


Edit: Also awesome to see he is doing the Gary Roberts thing this summer. As long as there is no set backs. he'll be ready to kick some ass in camp.

#2518227 Ken Holland Quotes (Apr 29th

Posted by marcaractac on 29 April 2014 - 04:14 PM




You don't buy out Tootoo because he costs nothing and is potentially tradable....


If he was able to be traded he would have been already. 29 other teams even passed on him for nothing when he had to clear waivers.

#2518159 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by marcaractac on 29 April 2014 - 12:00 PM

Holland and Babs pretty much confirmed their desire to add a RH shot on the back end, and that most changes to the team will be done from within. The right move, IMO. Fingers crossed for Niskanen!


Very glad the whole signing an aging veteran to patch up the team seems to finally be in the past. A lot of the kids have already done some winning together. They just need the time and opportunity to bring that to the next level.

#2518154 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by marcaractac on 29 April 2014 - 11:11 AM


I would be legitimately happy if Holland did nothing else but sign Niskanen and let all the obvious free agents walk.  You can always fill needs at the deadline, but I'd be perfectly happy going into next season with...












Edit:  Obviously the means trading Andersson, Kindl, and Lashoff for whatever you can get (not roster players).


Totally agree. I do hope Alfie plays one more year as I do think he would be a huge impact in the playoffs when healthy. Of course not having to fight for their playoff lives because of god awful goaltending in the first half of the season would go a long way in helping a guy like Alife get rest when needed. 

#2518152 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by marcaractac on 29 April 2014 - 10:59 AM


Dang.  Why so acrimonious man?  Everything alright at home?


And probably right out of Kenny's price range as well.  Not that we couldn't afford it mind you...


I'm not so sure Kenny doesn't throw the bank at him. He threw the bank at Suter as well, he just chose to go to Minny. Holland will pony up the cash for the right player. Niskanen is the right player. He is EXACTLY what this team needs. Responsible in his own end, can move the puck, put up points, is young, and is a much, much needed righty. Holland will go after him hard. If he doesn't end up here, I do not think it will be because Holland was afraid to offer money. 



my d-man off season wishlist right there.


he's had a breakout year, is good size, right handed, reletively young.... geterrdone kenny! 


Agreed. Adding him, Then ridding Kindl and Lashoff makes the Wings D sooooo much better. Niskanen along with a reliable vet to play on the 3rd pairing fixes a lot of problems. 


Most of the problems up front can be fixed just by cutting dead weight and getting more experience. I won't fret if all that is done up front is bringing Alfie back. It would give management time (if healthy) to see what the team is made of, and if they are good enough, missing pieces can be added at the deadline. Of course if the chance to land a guy like Moulson is there, Holland obviously shouldn't pass it up. I just don't think it would be the end of the world.


On top of that, give M-raz his chance to be the backup and I think we see a much improved team next season.