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#2518413 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by marcaractac on 30 April 2014 - 04:36 PM

Am I the only one who thinks trading Helm, Smith and a 1st for Kesler is insane? With his style of play, i'll be shocked if he can play at the level he has (when healthy) for 4 or 5 years. If we're gonna be trading young NHL level players, Kesler is not the idea candidate. Trade for someone entering their prime, or stick with what they have and reassess at the deadline. We're finally rid of Cleary. We don't need another player whose body will start to break down on him in the next few years. Especially at that price. 


Edit: Also, with the improvement Smith showed over the course of just one full season, I think it would be crazy to give him up now. Also unlike Kesler, most of Helm's injuries have been freak injuries. We can't give up on him when he is finally healthy and is only now gonna get a healthy summer of training in. 

#2518316 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by marcaractac on 30 April 2014 - 01:00 AM

Barring a trade we have Mantha, Jurco, Pulkkinen as our RWs for top 9 and Zetterberg, Nyquist, Tatar as our LWs for top 9. Franzen's contract goes for quite a while longer. If we buy him out this year or in a few he WILL be bought out at some point it seems. 


Even without adding a Moulson/Vanek I think we can make a trade for a top 4 young defender.




Tatar, Ericsson, 3rd for Bogosian (WPG has a glut of RD and Bogo had an off season)

Tatar, Ericsson, Ouellet, 1st for Subban (obvious clashing with coaches in MTL)

Some megapackage for Weber (NSH might want to cash in on him for some offensive help before he declines - they are also deep at D)

(Sprinkle in Almquist/Franzen/Kindl/Lashoff/Andersson/Picks)


I think with the glut of assets we have it makes no sense to move a few for borderline top pairing potential - we have to go all in for a sure thing. I want to avoid moving one of our D prospects for an Edler/Ehrhoff then have the kid outplay these players in a couple years for the next decade while Edler/Ehrhoff are on the decline (that is my nightmare). I also don't want to sign Niskanen long term and then only have 1 D spot open for our kids in the next while until Kronwall retires. 


Nothing against Tatar, but I think we can afford to trade him. I just don't find him to be the type of player that wins you a playoff series. With Nyquist we already have a young undersized winger and I like the size and physicality that Jurco provides over him. Mantha isn't being moved for obvious reasons. Pulkkinen shouldn't be traded yet because his value is low without NHL time. As for Ericsson, I think he is young enough to have value to other teams and with Kronwall, Smith, and Dekeyser we already have our future at LD taken care of even without Ouellet, Backman, Almquist in the conversation. We should avoid trading Sproul, Marchenko right now as they are the only RD we have in the organization going into next year. 


Unless a guy like Weber is being shopped, I say going after Niskanen or Boyle should be the priority. Boyle only if he can't get Niskanen. At least Boyle can bridge the gap to the kids taking over the blueline.


If any forwards are traded, I'd imagine it would be for bigger, gritty forwards. We have a lot of guys with skill, and some with size. But if the opportunity presents itself a legit power forward type, I figure that's the only way kids should be traded. Luckily Jurco may very well grow into that role, though it never hurts to have a couple guys like that. If that need were filled, at least then Franzen would be a player that would be depended on. he could alternate between the 2nd and 3rd line, depending on whether he is hot or not. I'd be ok with Mule staying if the team had the leisure to put him on the 3rd line to be a responsible defensive forward when he is in one of his scoring funks. It is the fact that he has always had to be in the top 6 that really killed the team's scoring when he went cold.  In the end, I'd like to see him used in the Homer role again. When it comes down to it, that's what cause him to break out as a scoring beast to begin with. It was after that he started playing as more of a skilled forward, which made him very streaky. He is a big body, and showed in the past he is good at deflections. It would be a good role for him when age starts to slow his production. 

Didn't know where to post this, but in this article Weiss says he was battling the hernia even before game 1. This gives credence what many have said - that we haven't seen the real Weiss.


Props to Weiss for never using it as an excuse, even though most of us knew better. The few games he did play, he always worked his ass off. He just never had that jump he has always had in the past. Really hoping summer treats him well. If it does, I am confident he will be an impact player for this team next season. 


Edit: Also awesome to see he is doing the Gary Roberts thing this summer. As long as there is no set backs. he'll be ready to kick some ass in camp.

#2518227 Ken Holland Quotes (Apr 29th

Posted by marcaractac on 29 April 2014 - 04:14 PM




You don't buy out Tootoo because he costs nothing and is potentially tradable....


If he was able to be traded he would have been already. 29 other teams even passed on him for nothing when he had to clear waivers.

#2518159 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by marcaractac on 29 April 2014 - 12:00 PM

Holland and Babs pretty much confirmed their desire to add a RH shot on the back end, and that most changes to the team will be done from within. The right move, IMO. Fingers crossed for Niskanen!


Very glad the whole signing an aging veteran to patch up the team seems to finally be in the past. A lot of the kids have already done some winning together. They just need the time and opportunity to bring that to the next level.

#2518154 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by marcaractac on 29 April 2014 - 11:11 AM


I would be legitimately happy if Holland did nothing else but sign Niskanen and let all the obvious free agents walk.  You can always fill needs at the deadline, but I'd be perfectly happy going into next season with...












Edit:  Obviously the means trading Andersson, Kindl, and Lashoff for whatever you can get (not roster players).


Totally agree. I do hope Alfie plays one more year as I do think he would be a huge impact in the playoffs when healthy. Of course not having to fight for their playoff lives because of god awful goaltending in the first half of the season would go a long way in helping a guy like Alife get rest when needed. 

#2518152 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by marcaractac on 29 April 2014 - 10:59 AM


Dang.  Why so acrimonious man?  Everything alright at home?


And probably right out of Kenny's price range as well.  Not that we couldn't afford it mind you...


I'm not so sure Kenny doesn't throw the bank at him. He threw the bank at Suter as well, he just chose to go to Minny. Holland will pony up the cash for the right player. Niskanen is the right player. He is EXACTLY what this team needs. Responsible in his own end, can move the puck, put up points, is young, and is a much, much needed righty. Holland will go after him hard. If he doesn't end up here, I do not think it will be because Holland was afraid to offer money. 



my d-man off season wishlist right there.


he's had a breakout year, is good size, right handed, reletively young.... geterrdone kenny! 


Agreed. Adding him, Then ridding Kindl and Lashoff makes the Wings D sooooo much better. Niskanen along with a reliable vet to play on the 3rd pairing fixes a lot of problems. 


Most of the problems up front can be fixed just by cutting dead weight and getting more experience. I won't fret if all that is done up front is bringing Alfie back. It would give management time (if healthy) to see what the team is made of, and if they are good enough, missing pieces can be added at the deadline. Of course if the chance to land a guy like Moulson is there, Holland obviously shouldn't pass it up. I just don't think it would be the end of the world.


On top of that, give M-raz his chance to be the backup and I think we see a much improved team next season. 

#2518147 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by marcaractac on 29 April 2014 - 10:43 AM

I like that Niskanen is tearing it up in the playoffs thus far. Pricing himself right out of Pittsburgh. 

#2518016 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by marcaractac on 28 April 2014 - 03:16 PM


The streak is a joke. Over half the teams in the NHL make the playoffs (about 54% of teams), this isn't like the Atlanta Brave's streak of 14 years where one team per division makes the playoffs plus one wild card (26% of teams). I really don't get why people are so up their own asses about it.


Tanking a season for a draft pick is even more of a joke. 

#2517994 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by marcaractac on 28 April 2014 - 01:08 PM

The Blackhawks have all their money tied up in a few guys...Hmm....


And why only 2-3 years? Did I say sign 37+ year olds? No, so not sure where you got that from.


And it's your opinion that there are only 10 defenseman better - in +/- he finished 130. In defenseman only. Pretty good year, right?


I don't even own NHL 14. You're the best at this.


Defense is more important than offense. Also, we need game changers right now or we will just waste the rest of Pav and Z's careers. Give up what you need to for 2 great dman and sign one real power forward. Buyout Franzen.


I love how +/- is your only argument on deciding whether Kronwall is a top pairing or second pairing defenseman. This is just one of many reasons why nobody is taking you serious.


Plans for next season:


Tank, tank hard, tank fast. Get the first overall and draft McDavid. 


2015 team:


Zetterberg-McDavid (ELC)-Mantha (ELC)

Pulkkinen (ELC)-Datsyuk-Nyquist

Tatar-Sheahan (ELC)-Jurco (ELC)

Abdelkader-Helm- Callahan (ELC)


Use the savings on cheap, young, extremely talented forwards on a couple defensemen.



Tell me that isn't sexy as hell?


The idea of tanking a season for a draft pick is sickening

#2517884 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by marcaractac on 28 April 2014 - 01:00 AM

I've played competitive hockey for 20 years. I listened. Did I say ever say Nyquist wasn't soft, anywhere? In fact if you look in the "what happened to Nyquist" thread, I said he should put on some muscle. We were tougher in 08, yes. We were a better team and Kronwall was a 3-4. He was also 28 years old and on a team with the greatest defenseman of a generation and arguably the one of the greatest of all time. Comparing anything about hockey now to hockey in 1997 is asinine. This is a completely different game. As far as Nyquist and Tatar not being as good as Zetterberg and Datsyuk, in their first years in the league, Zetterberg abd Datsyuk weren't as good as Zetterberg and Datsyuk.


I don't think using common sense will work  :lol:

#2517875 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by marcaractac on 28 April 2014 - 12:38 AM


You're right. That's all my post said. You're so tough with your online sarcasm. Man, you're like as tough as Tatar or something.


One, Nyq and Tatar are not as good as Dats and Z. That's a fact. Nyq and Tatar look like potential Hudlers. Dats and Z at least were tough on the puck and back checked. 


Two, to get good players, you have to give up prospects. So give them up. Will Tatar be great? Maybe. He might also be the next Ville L., too. We need two top-4 D. Bad. Kronwall is a 3-4 and so is Big E. That's just the truth. Holland doesn't seem to realize that. And apparently, either do a lot of you.


I now know not to take anything you ever say seriously. Kronwall a 3-4 dman? Please. I guess when a team does so much winning, some fans expectations get absolutely warped. If Kronwall is a 2nd pairing dman, in your world there are 60 dmen in the league better than him. But have fun continuing to tout your opinions as fact. Makes an entertaining read.

#2517871 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by marcaractac on 28 April 2014 - 12:21 AM


No, you're right. Keep barely making the playoffs and losing before the conference finals. Not competing against BOS, SJ (x2), & NASH.

The Wings are fine. We don't need to make any changes.



Who is saying changes don't need to be made? You're talking cleaning house and only keeping a few guys who will no longer be playing by the end of the decade. That is not how a rebuild is done. If a team is to be blown up to start over, it is done the exact opposite as what you suggest. Keeping the youth, getting assets for the older guys. Still not a viable option for this team, as the future isn't near as bad as you seem to think it is.


Do changes need to be made? Yes. But not to the extent you seem to think. Cutting the dead wight and a couple important editions can have this team making noise once again. Players like Goose and Tatar will continue to grow and improve. They will learn how to win. 10 years ago Hank and Dats didn't know how to win either. People were even suggestion Dats should be traded because he was a playoff no show. See how things can change in a few short years? 


If you wanna cheer for a team that blows everything up whenever they don't win, perhaps root for the Flyers? The Wings don't get top draft picks. The players they draft have to be developed over time. I'm glad Wings management has more patience than you do. It is the cap era. You don't build a team through trades and free agency. You build a team through the draft, then use free agency and trades to add pieces to make a run when the time is right. This team will get there. A lot sooner than you think.

#2517850 The Franzen Hate.

Posted by marcaractac on 27 April 2014 - 10:53 PM

There are many points and counter points being brought up. But let's go deeper and more in depth.

1. Franzen is a good deal at a 4 mil cap hit. Is that true? What other players have cap hits between 3.75 and 4.25 million? in no order: Hornqvist, van Reimsdyk, Voracek, Callahan, Dubinsky, Oshie, Stewart, Ladd, pavelski, Simmons, Bickell, Duchene, steen, and many others. Of the names listed, how many would you take straight up for franzen? All of them.

2. he plays good D. LOL Don't even know where to start with that one. he is terrible.

3. he can be a decent 3rd liner. Really? 4 million for a 3rd line guy? If he is on the 3rd, then who do we demote? Sheahan? Jurco? tatar? That's is our 3rd line. We need 1 or 2 top 6 guys with size and grit. If that isn't Franzen, then he has no home on this team.

4. For his career Franzen averages 26 goals per 82 regular season games. But he doesn't play 82 games per year. he averages 66 games per non lockout year. taking his goal per game average times 66 games is only 21 goals per year. yes those are averages, some years are better and some are worse. But that is what we are paying 4 million per season for. That isn't very much production for the money.


Not making an argument for or against Mule here, but most of those contracts are also RFA contracts. Every one of those players next contract will be much bigger. 

#2517435 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by marcaractac on 26 April 2014 - 09:54 PM

The first question is Babcock. he has 1 year left on his current deal. Does he extend or is he going to retire/leave?


I sure hope he gets extended. 

#2517434 What is more important?

Posted by marcaractac on 26 April 2014 - 09:53 PM

I'd go with neither. You need a complete team to go the distance.