It sure as hell is gonna me holland think twice about dealing a dare I yet say it again ... Top prospect if jarnkrok turns out to be a star in Nashville ... I can guarantee you that
And we got lucky nyquist didn't demand a trade or we could of been kicking ourselves , a lot of players in his shoes would of asked for one and he wouldn't of been wrong .... Wasn't Tatar threatening to leave? Well thankfully for us we wished up on that one and gave him a chance
It isn't gonna teach Holland a thing, as he literally almost never makes these kind of trades. It was a circumstance where he HAD to make a move for a center. You act as if he needs to be taught a lesson to never trade a kid again. Yet he is the most stingy GM in the league when it comes to trading prospects since the cap era. Look it up. You're acting as if trading away prospects is Holland's MO, when it is the complete opposite of that.
Lucky Goose didn't ask for a trade? Please... Nyquist getting all that AHL time is the reason why he is finding so much success at the NHL level right now. It is why this team is able to develop prospects so well. It is why this franchise has been the envy of the league for a long time. Same goes with Tatar. He didn't threaten to leave, he said he wasn't going to play in the AHL anymore, which we all knew considering, you know, he was out of AHL options and had to be with the big club anyway. Goose and Tatar earned their way into the lineup. They weren't just handed their ice time. Jarnkrok didn't want to earn his ice time. He wanted it right away. That is why the kids we do have are thriving, and why Jarnkrok is gone.
Conveniently ignored the post lmao .... If Ferraro Callahan pulkkinen got called up .... There is no way in hell he shouldnt of gotten called up , we had tons of injuries we could of called him up 2-3 games and see what he brought to the team ...as I've stated he played with quite a few guys in Grand Rapids and I'm sure he would of had instant Chemistry with them
Legwand has been good so far but nothing to brag about , he isn't the reason were making a playoff push and I find it hard to believe if he wasn't here the kids wouldn't still be producing
I googled matthias and the only article I could find he was projected to be a good bottom 6 2- way guy type hard worker , and was ranked 11 .... He was nowhere highly touted as jarnkrok was
Look you love the trade and that's good for you and the others honestly that's your opinion ... Mine is I don't like it and I won't change my mind like you and the others won't
If jarnkrok becomes a disaster and sucks ass or retreats to Sweden I'll come here and gladly say I was wrong about jarnkrok and he wasn't the player I thought he was gonna be .... That being said it won't change the fact at the time the trade was made we overpaid for legwand and could of used him in a blockbuster deal
He got his few games in at the NHL level. He has some secondary assists and a couple bad penalties that led to goals against at bad times. Like Washington tying last nights game. Hardly the type of start that would get him the top line minutes he wants on this Red Wings permanently.
When the cap issues prevented Nyquist from being on the roster, he kept his head up, said the right things, and played his heart out in Grand Rapids. Jarnkrok was wanting unearned big NHL minutes. This is the Red Wings. Not Edmonton Oilers. Kids have to earn their way here. Was Nyquist tearing it up right off the bat? Not at all. But he kept working at it and kept getting better. He had the right attitude, Jarnkrok didn't. That's why we have Nyquist tearing it up, and why the latter is gonna be stuck in Nashville where their big name players will leave the first chance they get.
You're getting hung up on this 'top rated prospect' thing while ignoring the fact that he was never gonna get the ice time he wanted here and wanted out as result. This has been confirmed on trade deadline day by a guy who knows what he's talking about. Nobody is saying you can't think it is a bad trade. But at some point, you have to realize it is all said and done. It can't be reversed. Getting pissed at Holland every time he gets an assist isn't going to change it. Getting pissed about it is not gonna prevent Holland from making moves that has to be made going down the road.
When I was watching the trade deadline coverage on TSN, Bob MacKenzie said as clear as day that the Red Wings felt Jarnkrok wouldn't play for the organization. He wanted big time minutes in the big league, that wasn't going to happen with the Wings so he wanted out.
We traded a player who might be good, but who didn't want to play here. It's that simple no need for all the dramatics.
Get ready for all the "Holland should have given him a shot" & "Jarkrok would have gotten us a top 4 dman" responses
...of all the prospects we have traded over the past for positions we NEEDED, please someone, name me ONE in the last 22 seasons that we really REALLY regret trading...please entertain us.
Exactly. Matthias would have been nice to have. But with all the kids we have now there would be either no spot for him or one of the current kids would be bumped out of the lineup. As long as the great drafting and developing of players continues, losing Jarnkrok will not effect this team going forward. It is one prospect. Some in here carry on as if Holland sold the farm.
Before the same couple of people start putting words in my mouth once again, I'm not saying Jarnkrok will never be a good player. I'm simply saying even if he turns out to be a career top 6 forward, the Wings will do just fine and we will have plenty of other young players to fill the void that has been left by him. This isn't an organization whose life depends on one or two kids in the system. This is an organization that has been great at developing players, and will continue to do so.
And for those saying they hope Jarnkrok turns into a star so Holland never does this again. If a situation comes up where this team absolutely needs something and it will cost an asset to get it, Holland will pull the trigger. So please stop acting as if he does this all the time, as he may make a trade like this once every half a dozen years.
The only one I miss is Matthias. But getting Bertuzzi at the time made the trade well worth it. So I don't regret the trade. We have better prospects now anyway, Matthias was expendable. Jarnkrok was expendable as well. Farm is stacked. Some will need to go for immediate needs.
Exactly this. Matthias is only now seeming to start playing the way he was hyped to. After what, 6 or so years? Even then it is too small a sample size to see if it will continue. But as I said, if we had Matthias now, another kid would not be playing. A trade like this once every blue moon does not hurt a team like the Red Wings. Hell, it didn't even hurt precap era much either as we still drafted gems.
Too many of the same kind of player. All these number one picks, keep drafting the highest rated player rather than draft what they need. To this day I don't get why they drafted Yakupov. They should have drafted a Dman.
That is just the problem with the team itself. Their management is an absolute mess. They need to start over right from the top. They have a lot of good players, and can quickly turn it around with the right people in charge. A few of the right trades and they are a much better team. It isn't like they don't have the assets.
Agree with that just worried that he's still so young and should be playing a lot ? How many games ca. Ge get here?25?
Then again I'm sure we can expect howard to get hurt again
Leaving him in the AHL too long won't do him any good either. He won a championship, and spent an additional season down there. He isn't gonna get any better playing in the AHL at this point. He needs to play at the next level. Even if it is 20-25 starts.
Nothing has changed. The Leafs are not out of it, NJ is not out of it. 13% is not 0%. Sorry, seen these scenarios way too many times. What were the Wings chances last year of making the playoffs? When they are mathematically eliminated, you know, like actual math, then it'll be over. Until then, I'm not counting anyone out.
Dude, nobody is saying their chances are over. We're saying it is highly unlikely.