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#2488644 Edler-Kesler Vs. Ehrhoff-Stewart

Posted by marcaractac on 02 March 2014 - 07:11 PM

If you signed a guy to a $40 mil contract that paid him $18 mil in the first 2 seasons, would you be in a hurry to let your GM trade him if you were an NHL owner?


I don't see Ehrhoff being moved.


If they can get assets that help them with their rebuild, he'll be moved. 

#2488628 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by marcaractac on 02 March 2014 - 05:50 PM


Exactly, they traded Schneider and dangled playing time in front of Luongo; now they are screwing with him again. If he were a dog PETA would be all over the Canucks for abuse. I wouldn't blame him if he just held out playing and demanded a trade. He was one of the best goalies in the world and he could be again on another team. 


For sure. I've gained so much respect for him with how he handled it all really

#2488626 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by marcaractac on 02 March 2014 - 05:48 PM


If they're taking back bad expiring contracts they're going to want even better prospects in return, who do we part with, Sproul, Ouellet, Backman, Mantha, Mrazek? Not to mention our 1st rounder.


What happens if Datsyuk decides he can't play on his injured knee any further and gets shut down for the year. is our team even with Ehrhoff good enough to make the playoffs missing both the eurotwins? Then we'd be in a situation where we'd have a lottery pick for the first time since its been in existence and it would be Buffalo's.


Unfortunately we're caught in limbo between being a buyer and a seller and generally its smarter to do nothing in that situation. 


Ehrhoff is signed beyond this year though. Getting him makes this team better going forward regardless of how you look it at. Whether we are in limbo right now or not, it would be a great pick up. They can't revolve decisions like these based around what ifs. If we have someone hurt, than we need to get better. Not stand pat and be all "better luck next year". 


Mantha and Mrazek you'd have to think are untouchable. Especially Mantha. But for Sproul or Oulette to be a part of a package for Ehrhoff? No brainer really. We have plenty of kids in the system. 


What you are saying makes sense as far as trading for a rental goes. But that wouldn't be the case here. Ehrhoff is a proven player who can improve this team. Sproul and Oulette are 2 guys who MIGHT improve the team a few years from now. 

#2488621 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by marcaractac on 02 March 2014 - 05:39 PM

This is not a Red Wing thing, but how long are the Canucks go to keep torturing Luongo? They should just trade him and get it over with, in fact they should have traded him last year and kept Schneider. 


I feel awful for him. I always have been, and still am convinced that Lou's struggles at times during the playoffs were the fault of his surroundings. Can you imagine what goes on in that guys head at this point? I bet if he ever were to get away from Vancouver, he'd be back to his old form in no time. That entire organization is a mess. All I can say is good luck to them ever luring a big name UFA.

#2488615 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by marcaractac on 02 March 2014 - 05:05 PM

I think the best move for the team is to do next to nothing. If you can offload some unnecessary players for late round picks, great, otherwise just stand pat with what you have.


The cost of guys like Kesler and Edler will be our youth that has resurrected our season (Nyquist, Tatar, Sheahan, Jurco, Dekeyser), and neither would make us a significantly better team when you subtract the guys it would cost to get them here.


Trades are good when you're looking to add that final piece to a cup contender, or if you're looking to blow things up and start over. The Wings aren't in either situation. They could possibly become a cup contender should a bunch of things work out in our favor but realistically we should be happy if we are able to make the playoffs considering the injuries we've had to deal with. 


This is why we make a deal with Buffalo and not Vancouver. It would only take picks and prospects, not roster players. sure they'd probably have to take 1 or 2 of our bad expiring contracts as well (as they'd probably need to to stay above the cap floor anyway if they sell off everyone).

#2488601 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by marcaractac on 02 March 2014 - 04:22 PM

I think it would be silly to wait until we are a clear cut favorite to make any moves. I'm not saying we should sell the farm for one or two players. But if the price is right and it can make this team better now and for the next few seasons, I say go for it. We have a lot of prospects. There won't be room for all of them on this team. This team can compete this season. Especially if we get Hank back on time for the playoff run. 

#2488597 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by marcaractac on 02 March 2014 - 04:02 PM

One of the very first questions every GM has to answer is: What are we as a team? SC contender? PO bound team? rebuilding/building? So what are the RW's? We are not a SC contender. The answer is some combination of PO bound/rebuilding. IMHO we need to add 2-3 top level talents to become a SC caliber team again. Finding 2-3 top level talents isn't that many and could be done over the next 12 months. 1 now at this years trade deadline, 1 via UFA this summer, and 1 before next years trade deadline.

The question then becomes the how do we get these 2-3 more top level talents. We have some young guys that COULD develop into top level talents, but that does take time. Over the next 3 years, some of the Nyquist, tatar, Jurco, mantha, Pulk, group will develop. It could be 1 or all 5, or somewhere in between. There are several others that could be secondary guys/checkers. Helm, Abby, Sheahan, Callahan, nastisauk, and Andersson.

So, do we stand pat and wait for the youth? That is what I expect. Not the path I would take, but it does seem to be the way Holland wants to go.


I'm not sure I agree. Every team in the east has holes. It isn't like the west where there are 3-4 solid all around teams that are capable of winning it all. Any team in the east can be beaten if all goes well. This current team with 1 or 2 of the right additions and a healthy roster have as good a shot of anyone at coming out of the eastern conference. I say make moves now that makes sense. Go for ti while we have Alfie. Go for it before age starts to really catch up to Dats and Hank. This team isn't far from being able to compete in the east. 

#2488480 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by marcaractac on 02 March 2014 - 01:19 AM

RH physical, world class Defense, elite top 6 player. Naw I don't want him


Truth. Sure we can also use a puck moving dman. as far as defense goes, adding Kesler would improve the teams overall ability to defend. I by no means expect the Wings to land Kesler, but I sure as hell wouldn't complain if it ended up happening. Especially if we were to land someone like Edler or Ehrhoff as well.

#2488477 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by marcaractac on 02 March 2014 - 01:02 AM

Can we stop with the Kesler talk? I really don't want him and it doesn't look like the Wings want him for the price. We need a defensman now more than anything else.


This is a trade discussion thread. There is nothing wrong with talking about Kesler. If you don't want him here, fine. Doesn't mean the rest of us can't discuss 'what if' scenarios. 

#2488470 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by marcaractac on 02 March 2014 - 12:00 AM

Is Shero insane? Icing a dangerous top 6 is worthless when all you can afford for your bottom 6 is AHL plugs. Most overrated GM in hockey.

#2488469 Edler-Kesler Vs. Ehrhoff-Stewart

Posted by marcaractac on 01 March 2014 - 11:52 PM

I don't get why people think Ehrhoff's contract is so bad. IT's just 4 million a year, and the cap is gonna keep going up. in 2-3 years a dman of his ability for that price is gonna be a steal. Who cares if it is a long contract. If he retires before it is out, the Sabres are on the hook for the cap penalty. Ehrhoff is literally the safest bet out there for this team on defense.

#2488216 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by marcaractac on 01 March 2014 - 02:16 AM

If we wanna win now it's what would need to be done. Otherwise we won't be wining for a couple years. Those are the two options really...me personally I'd rather wait.

Let's not forget only nyquist is the only who has shown they can play in the nhl so far and even him it hasn't been for long yet. I like to see it for a couple of years before someone is proven.

But like I said whether we want to win now or win in the future idk what the plan is but if we choose to win now it WILL cost is our big name prospects who yet have to prove themselves long term in the nhl.


IMO if we are gonna make moves to make a run for it, it should be when we have healthy eurotwins. I think the best bet would be to land a top 4 dman now, then hope for the best. Get a top 6 forward as well if it makes sense (as in not give up a bunch of kids in our lineup right now). I know we;ll have to give up prospects to get something in return. But there has to be untouchables as well.


Nyquist and Jurco IMO are too important. Nyquist is playing great, and we need him. A player with Jurco's size and skill doesn't come around every day. Tatar, as much as I'd hate to see him go, can be packaged in a deal for the right player in return IMO. He is great, but I think management needs to try and focus on holding on to the bigger guys.


Sheahan I can see packaged for a more established guy like Kesler or Stewart. Sheahan would be nice to hold on to, but i think we'll be fine down the middle in the bottom 6 with the likes of Helm and Glendening. Of course with what I just said I think Andersson is expendable as well. Nothing against him, I just find him slow, and see more use in a guy like Glendening centering the 4th line. 


As for kids not on the roster right now, I could see any of them outside of Mantha and Mrazek being tradable for the right return. Call me crazy, but like I said, you gotta give something up to get something back. And if we can get a non rental in return that can make this team a lot better going forward, I say giver.

Come on, upgrading the team and selling the farm are completely different things. Sometimes a small move would work especially at the deadline. But Kenny never seems to find that "hockey trade" that he likes so much. Those don't exist anymore, teams want the moon for their players and rarely are there win win trades. Someone always ends up being screwed. The Hockey trade is Hollands White Whale.

f*** it must be late, I've started quoting Moby ****.


I don't blame him for not making trades every year for the price teams ask for rentals. He has been patient, and it is showing it has started to pay off. When this team is getting close to being able to make a run, we'll have plenty of prospects/picks to make a run for it. It's all a matter of timing, and in the cap era that time doesn't come around every year.

#2488132 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by marcaractac on 01 March 2014 - 12:31 AM

People complained about J-Bo's cap hit when he was being shopped, yet some are ok with Myers. I don't get it.

Jesus, The Fourth Period has the Wings in on Edler AND Kesler.  Says the asking price is a young proven roster player, top prospect, and high draft pick for each.  I don't know who they'd want or who Holland considers untouchable, but could you imagine?


Would be nice to land both. Just hate to see what it would cost us. I think Ehrhoff and Stewart can be had for cheaper. I think we can take comfort in the fact that Holland will not sell the farm for these guys.

#2488126 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by marcaractac on 01 March 2014 - 12:16 AM

In  the end, Myers would be a HUGE risk. That isn't Holland's style, and I'm thankful for that. All these kids in the lineup we all love? We wouldn't have half of them if Holland made all the trades a lot of people here keep wanting. 


Sure the potential reward for landing Myers would be big. Far too big a risk to take. Ehrhoff is the safe option. He is the kind of player who would fit in with this team well. The guy can put up 50 points a season, and when paired with the right person, hold his own in the defensive side of things. 4 million per year is very reasonable for what he would bring to the table. Especially when pretty well half of the salary for his contract has already been paid to him. He'd be a steal for this team, and make our back end a lot better going forward.

#2488111 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by marcaractac on 28 February 2014 - 11:59 PM

For those saying Erhoff isn't very good: Nobody would expect him to come here and be the teams savior. He isn't a guy who is gonna carry a team on his back, but he is a guy that can be an important piece if there are other good pieces in place. 


Rafalski is a good example. You're not gonna depends on him to be a shut down guy. But you put him with the right partner, and they make a deadly unit. I could see DeKeyser and Erhoff complement each other very well as a 2nd pairing.