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#2668771 Mantha

Posted by marcaractac on 15 April 2016 - 04:32 PM


Have you ever coached a team?


There are plenty of positives you can take from a loss.


Rotating in rookies or substituting in a defenceman who hasn't played in almost a month - are desperate moves we don't need to make after a very close game 1. We aren't the 2008 versions of ourselves. We came in 8th place. We aren't supposed to win. Does Brendan Smith change all of that? The guy had 2 assists in the last 17 games he played.


When we win tonight with the exact same lineup - I can't wait to hear what Blashill should have done different to win by a higher margin.



There, you said it yourself. The coach is relying heavily on older players who have nothing left in the tank. Fact. He is playing a player they didn't even want any more during the regular season in favour of maybe the one guy in our system who can possibly screen Bishop effectively on the PP. Holland decides to refer to him as a spare part. Hate to know what that makes Andersson after being passed on by literally every team in the league. Hell, nobody else even wanted him for their AHL club.


So if we're supposed to lose anyway, why not give young players a chance to get experience and grow? Because we sure as hell aren't gonna win on the backs of guys who are 35+ who have been playing 20 minutes a night all season long. They had nothing left in the tank 2 months ago, let alone now. But like I said previously. Blash won't make any moves until it is already too late. If ever. Until he shows the guts to to hold vets accountable for bad play, I'll continue to hope for a coaching change.  

Sooo many times agreed to this. The all so important streak is alive let's play the kids.

yes, they don't have experience but guess what you don't get playoff experience by not playing! The vets are close to the end of their careers, the transition had to start now sink or swim with them!

I don't know why this staff is so reluctant to let the kids play it just doesn't make sense, guess the Wings would have send down McJesus or Ekblad too


Blash would scratch McDavid because he can't defend, and limit Ekblad to 6 minutes of ice time per game because of his age. 


In all honesty I'm surprised they haven't called up Cleary yet. Maybe he will be their answer if they lose tonight. 

#2668610 Mantha

Posted by marcaractac on 15 April 2016 - 10:33 AM

Blash won't make the changes that need to happen until it's too late.

#2668580 Mantha

Posted by marcaractac on 15 April 2016 - 04:54 AM

If posts counted, Mantha would hardly be the only guy with more goals.


But that isn't the point. The point is he should be playing overf****** Andersson. 

#2668464 ECQF Game 1 Post-GDT: at Tampa Bay 3, Red Wings 2

Posted by marcaractac on 14 April 2016 - 11:14 AM

I'm just straight up sick of vets being allowed to be bad night in and night out, whereas if one of the kids make one single mistake they are either scratched or barely played.

There is zero accountability on the vets, and the kids aren't given any room to grow what so ever.

#2668309 ECQF Game 1 Post-GDT: at Tampa Bay 3, Red Wings 2

Posted by marcaractac on 13 April 2016 - 08:58 PM

We won't win this with Howard. Only shot is midseason-form Mrazek.

#2667402 Mantha

Posted by marcaractac on 13 April 2016 - 04:47 AM

People also forget that Mantha was a couple posts away from scoring 4 goals in 10 games instead of 2. The scoreboard doesn't show everything. The kid made things happen while he was on the ice. It is insane to think playing him with a couple vets in protected minutes and on the powerplay isn't of more value to the team than the 5 minutes Andersson will get to play on the fourth line. 


Hell, I could stomach Mantha being sent down if it was Jurco getting the fourth line minutes instead. 

#2667314 Mantha

Posted by marcaractac on 12 April 2016 - 03:04 PM


One small argument:


Mantha recorded 66% of his points on the PP and doesn't kill penalties.


Helm recorded 0% of his points on the PP and does kill penalties.


Point being - The PPG/60 Minutes stats are skewed if you are trying to find out who is better offensively - when one player (Helm) spends a certain % of his minutes killing penalties, and the other (Mantha) spends a certain % of his minutes on the PP,  but neither play both.


Using 5on5 metrics is more helpful in determining this:


Helm - 0.34 5vs5 PPG

Mantha - 0.10 5vs5 PPG


Not such a slam dunk.


Our powerplay has been awful (minus the 8 straight games scoring a pp goal while Mantha was in the lineup), while our pk has been totally fine. But yes, continue to preach to us all how Andersson has more value in the lineup right now than Mantha.


It'll be fun losing 1-0 and 2-1 all series because the team can't score goals. 

#2667262 Mantha

Posted by marcaractac on 12 April 2016 - 10:35 AM

Do the Math - there are 60 Minutes in a game - how many minutes do 4th line players typically play? 7-10 Minutes is about the average.
This season, neither Helm or Sheahan have seen extended time on the 4th line - hence their MPG averages. Glendenning is our best penalty killer, and averaged a more reasonable amount of ice time because of it.
To put 3/4 of our most physical forwards (who all play Center) on the "4th line" is ridiculous, and a waste of time to discuss because it never has and never will happen lol.
To say that Mantha is better than Andersson is debatable, but those who have played hockey understand Anderson's superior defensive + faceoff ability (in relation to Mantha) make him a more valuable 4th line player. If Mantha failed to outscore Helm on Datsyuk's wing - which is statistically true - Helm is obviously the more valuable 2nd line player because of all of the other things he brings (Speed, Physicality, 2-way Ability, Creates space for Pav, Faceoff Ability etc.) 
In terms of Anthanasiou - what makes you think he has the ability to play at the level we expect for more than his average of 9 MPG?  He's an unproven commodity who has done well on a PPG basis considering his MPG, but it also isn't uncommon for players to lose their productivity when the minutes increase. Happens all the time.

Andersson is just SO VALUABLE that Holland waived him during the season.

#2667200 Mantha

Posted by marcaractac on 12 April 2016 - 05:04 AM

PK ability, wins faceoffs, isn't a defensive liability. In other words, hrs a fourth line player.


Helm, Abby, Glenny, AA, Sheahan. These guys have been the backbone of a perfectly fine pk. These guys are all better at it than Andersson is. Andersson brings nothing to the table we don't already have far superior versions of. Meanwhile, Mantha gave our powerplay life while he played.


How much success do you think we'll have by icing all defensive players who can't score? Let me tell you: the answer is none. 


This series is gonna be all about speed and talent. Andersson can't even skate. 

#2667153 Free Press: Pavel Datsyuk to return to Russia following Playoffs

Posted by marcaractac on 11 April 2016 - 07:13 PM

I agree....hey when Steve Yzerman was 35, he was 2nd, 3rd line all the time, he finished that year with 52 points and played four more years all with still being an effective leader.  Hank had 50 points this year (he is 35 as well) he could easily move down to that 3rd line center and still get 30-40 points a year and be the effective leader he needs to be for the next 4 years or so.  Hank played in all 82 games this year, Steve only played in 54 games that year, but given the fact that the game has changed so much since then, its no wonder Hank scored less per game.


I am not saying Hank is Steve, but I am saying that Steve was "demoted" to a lessor role on the ice in scoring and prolonged his career and was still a very effective Captain and actually lead his team better from that position...Hank could do the same.  We have two very good, very high end prospects that could become 1st and 2nd line centers in Larkin and AA and allow Z to ease it out now, if we were to acquire Stamkos, it would take even more pressure off Z to score and he could lead better.


This. Let Hank step back and become more of a role guy, have the kids start playing bigger minutes. 

#2667126 Free Press: Pavel Datsyuk to return to Russia following Playoffs

Posted by marcaractac on 11 April 2016 - 04:48 PM

wondering if Z hangs them up after this season too.. hes got to know hes not what he used to be


kenny will have to make a  big splash if Z and dats go


Hank would be fine if he played reduced minutes and not forced into trying to carry the team like Blash had him doing this season. Cut his minutes back and reduce his role and suddenly he can contribute for a full season instead of the first 2/3rds only. I'd say even have him play wing starting next season. Reduce the wear and tear on the guy. 

#2666995 Mantha

Posted by marcaractac on 11 April 2016 - 04:20 AM

Some people say he only scored two goals in his ten games. True, but he also hit a couple posts in that time frame as well. The fact our pp improved alone is reason to play him.

#2666958 Mantha

Posted by marcaractac on 10 April 2016 - 09:06 PM

What has Mantha done to earn a roster spot in the playoffs?  Not a thing.

What has Andersson done to deserve one?

#2666957 Playoff Lines + Mantha Back to GR

Posted by marcaractac on 10 April 2016 - 09:03 PM

Andersson is so good at faceoffs, that he played 2 minutes in the most important game of the season.
Blashill is full of s***.  He dressed Andersson and didn't even play him.

Playing Mantha just on the pp >>>>>>>>>>> Andersson playing for face-offs.

#2666837 Mantha

Posted by marcaractac on 10 April 2016 - 01:48 PM

Having a line of Richards helm datsyuk won't cut it for a long playoff run though

I thought the kids would be better when Blashill came here but they are mostly being benched , Tatar and nyquist who should be good for 25-30 goals have under performed and were over using the vets

I don't know , hope we win but if that's gonna happen it's going to have to be with mrazek as I don't see howard capable of stealing series , so I'd expect us to go with mrazek game 2 or 3'

And athanasiou needs a significant amount more than 5 minutes of ice time , he needs to be with pavel

I didn't mean they should keep Richards. Dats and helm together, however lol. Put Mantha or AA with dats and Richards. If the worry is inexperience and mistakes, put the kids with two reliable vets. Mantha on line two, AA on the fourth with Glenn and helm. Tell me that fourth line wouldn't give Tampa fits.

But no, we are gonna go with slower than molasses Andersson. Unbelievable. For a team being built on speed, they sure seem to be doing all they can to neuter it.