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#2667402 Mantha

Posted by marcaractac on 13 April 2016 - 04:47 AM

People also forget that Mantha was a couple posts away from scoring 4 goals in 10 games instead of 2. The scoreboard doesn't show everything. The kid made things happen while he was on the ice. It is insane to think playing him with a couple vets in protected minutes and on the powerplay isn't of more value to the team than the 5 minutes Andersson will get to play on the fourth line. 


Hell, I could stomach Mantha being sent down if it was Jurco getting the fourth line minutes instead. 

#2667314 Mantha

Posted by marcaractac on 12 April 2016 - 03:04 PM


One small argument:


Mantha recorded 66% of his points on the PP and doesn't kill penalties.


Helm recorded 0% of his points on the PP and does kill penalties.


Point being - The PPG/60 Minutes stats are skewed if you are trying to find out who is better offensively - when one player (Helm) spends a certain % of his minutes killing penalties, and the other (Mantha) spends a certain % of his minutes on the PP,  but neither play both.


Using 5on5 metrics is more helpful in determining this:


Helm - 0.34 5vs5 PPG

Mantha - 0.10 5vs5 PPG


Not such a slam dunk.


Our powerplay has been awful (minus the 8 straight games scoring a pp goal while Mantha was in the lineup), while our pk has been totally fine. But yes, continue to preach to us all how Andersson has more value in the lineup right now than Mantha.


It'll be fun losing 1-0 and 2-1 all series because the team can't score goals. 

#2667262 Mantha

Posted by marcaractac on 12 April 2016 - 10:35 AM

Do the Math - there are 60 Minutes in a game - how many minutes do 4th line players typically play? 7-10 Minutes is about the average.
This season, neither Helm or Sheahan have seen extended time on the 4th line - hence their MPG averages. Glendenning is our best penalty killer, and averaged a more reasonable amount of ice time because of it.
To put 3/4 of our most physical forwards (who all play Center) on the "4th line" is ridiculous, and a waste of time to discuss because it never has and never will happen lol.
To say that Mantha is better than Andersson is debatable, but those who have played hockey understand Anderson's superior defensive + faceoff ability (in relation to Mantha) make him a more valuable 4th line player. If Mantha failed to outscore Helm on Datsyuk's wing - which is statistically true - Helm is obviously the more valuable 2nd line player because of all of the other things he brings (Speed, Physicality, 2-way Ability, Creates space for Pav, Faceoff Ability etc.) 
In terms of Anthanasiou - what makes you think he has the ability to play at the level we expect for more than his average of 9 MPG?  He's an unproven commodity who has done well on a PPG basis considering his MPG, but it also isn't uncommon for players to lose their productivity when the minutes increase. Happens all the time.

Andersson is just SO VALUABLE that Holland waived him during the season.

#2667200 Mantha

Posted by marcaractac on 12 April 2016 - 05:04 AM

PK ability, wins faceoffs, isn't a defensive liability. In other words, hrs a fourth line player.


Helm, Abby, Glenny, AA, Sheahan. These guys have been the backbone of a perfectly fine pk. These guys are all better at it than Andersson is. Andersson brings nothing to the table we don't already have far superior versions of. Meanwhile, Mantha gave our powerplay life while he played.


How much success do you think we'll have by icing all defensive players who can't score? Let me tell you: the answer is none. 


This series is gonna be all about speed and talent. Andersson can't even skate. 

#2667153 Free Press: Pavel Datsyuk to return to Russia following Playoffs

Posted by marcaractac on 11 April 2016 - 07:13 PM

I agree....hey when Steve Yzerman was 35, he was 2nd, 3rd line all the time, he finished that year with 52 points and played four more years all with still being an effective leader.  Hank had 50 points this year (he is 35 as well) he could easily move down to that 3rd line center and still get 30-40 points a year and be the effective leader he needs to be for the next 4 years or so.  Hank played in all 82 games this year, Steve only played in 54 games that year, but given the fact that the game has changed so much since then, its no wonder Hank scored less per game.


I am not saying Hank is Steve, but I am saying that Steve was "demoted" to a lessor role on the ice in scoring and prolonged his career and was still a very effective Captain and actually lead his team better from that position...Hank could do the same.  We have two very good, very high end prospects that could become 1st and 2nd line centers in Larkin and AA and allow Z to ease it out now, if we were to acquire Stamkos, it would take even more pressure off Z to score and he could lead better.


This. Let Hank step back and become more of a role guy, have the kids start playing bigger minutes. 

#2667126 Free Press: Pavel Datsyuk to return to Russia following Playoffs

Posted by marcaractac on 11 April 2016 - 04:48 PM

wondering if Z hangs them up after this season too.. hes got to know hes not what he used to be


kenny will have to make a  big splash if Z and dats go


Hank would be fine if he played reduced minutes and not forced into trying to carry the team like Blash had him doing this season. Cut his minutes back and reduce his role and suddenly he can contribute for a full season instead of the first 2/3rds only. I'd say even have him play wing starting next season. Reduce the wear and tear on the guy. 

#2666995 Mantha

Posted by marcaractac on 11 April 2016 - 04:20 AM

Some people say he only scored two goals in his ten games. True, but he also hit a couple posts in that time frame as well. The fact our pp improved alone is reason to play him.

#2666958 Mantha

Posted by marcaractac on 10 April 2016 - 09:06 PM

What has Mantha done to earn a roster spot in the playoffs?  Not a thing.

What has Andersson done to deserve one?

#2666957 Playoff Lines + Mantha Back to GR

Posted by marcaractac on 10 April 2016 - 09:03 PM

Andersson is so good at faceoffs, that he played 2 minutes in the most important game of the season.
Blashill is full of s***.  He dressed Andersson and didn't even play him.

Playing Mantha just on the pp >>>>>>>>>>> Andersson playing for face-offs.

#2666837 Mantha

Posted by marcaractac on 10 April 2016 - 01:48 PM

Having a line of Richards helm datsyuk won't cut it for a long playoff run though

I thought the kids would be better when Blashill came here but they are mostly being benched , Tatar and nyquist who should be good for 25-30 goals have under performed and were over using the vets

I don't know , hope we win but if that's gonna happen it's going to have to be with mrazek as I don't see howard capable of stealing series , so I'd expect us to go with mrazek game 2 or 3'

And athanasiou needs a significant amount more than 5 minutes of ice time , he needs to be with pavel

I didn't mean they should keep Richards. Dats and helm together, however lol. Put Mantha or AA with dats and Richards. If the worry is inexperience and mistakes, put the kids with two reliable vets. Mantha on line two, AA on the fourth with Glenn and helm. Tell me that fourth line wouldn't give Tampa fits.

But no, we are gonna go with slower than molasses Andersson. Unbelievable. For a team being built on speed, they sure seem to be doing all they can to neuter it.

#2666834 Mantha

Posted by marcaractac on 10 April 2016 - 01:24 PM

Pretty ridiculous blowing the last chance mantha will ever have from being surrounded pavel , Blashill was all about the kids when he came here but athanasiou is playing 5 minutes a game now and all the kids he practically coached in Grand Rapids are being benched

Jeff let's keep playing it safe Blashill could turn out to be a big mistake

Brad Richards and Anderson won't help us win a cup , having athanasiou and a sniper like mantha get more ice time on the powerplay and top 6 will

Whatever , at least we got 25 years now .... That seems like the only goal now

While I agree with most of this, Richards has been an important part of the team. Especially as of late. We will be happy to have him in the playoffs.

#2666799 Post Epic Meltdown - er, Post Game Discussion

Posted by marcaractac on 10 April 2016 - 11:33 AM

:lol: I love this whole "so and so can't play defense, so I'm gonna scratch them" Tatar and Nyquist can't win battles to save their lives. We have a coach that doesn't prioritize goal scoring. That's a problem, guess what? Goals win games. For me, I want guys that can score goals. Patrick Kane can't spell "backcheck" and he's a 3 time Stanley Cup champion. Enough of this garbage from management and coaching, play to win thef****** game.


Exactly. No team has a complete roster of guys who play a 200 foot game. Pure offensive guys are needed as well. 

#2666709 Post Epic Meltdown - er, Post Game Discussion

Posted by marcaractac on 10 April 2016 - 12:53 AM

THere is absolutely no way AA and Mantha will play in the same game in the playoffs unless we are seriously desperate. Neither of them are even close to where they need to be defensively and when line matching gets really greasy in the playoffs they will get exposed. 


Z - D - Abs

Larkin - Sheahan - Gus

Helm - Glen - Tats 

Andy - Richards - Mantha/AA


Sheahan and Glendening have been very good lately.  The only way to get Z going is to play him with Pavel.  The other winger on that line could be anyone but Abby has been there and knows his role.  I just think there is no way AA and Mantha are in the lineup at the same time. 


Put Mantha with Dats and Richards, AA with Glenny and Helm. 2 vets on each line to cover mistakes. 


In the end, Mantha gets called up, our pp scores 8 straight games. He gets benched and the pp died off once again. 


I also don't get why AA isn't trusted defensively. The guy has killed penalties for crying out loud. Not to mention his speed can help offset being out of position. 

#2666708 25 YEARS BABY!

Posted by marcaractac on 10 April 2016 - 12:49 AM

Did we lose our way in or did Boston lose their way out million-dollar question... which loss was more catastrophic today us losing on an empty-net goal or Boston getting blown out?


Worst for Boston by far. That team went into a nosedive a dozen games ago and crashed and burned today. Wings had a bad start, but played well afterwards. Raanta stole the game for them really. That combined with Blash pulling the goalie way to damn early. Last time the Wings had a few days rest was for the Philly game. So hopefully that is the team we see for game 1. 

#2666707 2016 Round 1 Photoshop War: Tampa Bay Lightning

Posted by marcaractac on 10 April 2016 - 12:46 AM

How about those Tampa fans?!



amazing. I do wonder how long before Tampa puts the block on Wings fans buying tickets.