That's what I'm afraid of. Many of us are expecting Holland to at least do ONE thing this off-season to shake things up, but the more I think about it, the less likely it is I think he'll get anything done. We'll get stuck with Datsyuk's contract, stuck with Howard, fail to acquire a top D-man or impact forward, the sky will fall, etc. Hopefully I'm wrong....
Sad to say it, but until the playoff streak ends, nothing will change. Until that streak is over, we will see nothing but safe moves.
Even if we are well out of the playoffs come trade deadline, I still can't see Holland having it in him to move players for picks and prospects.
Saw it on twitter ... Think it was from the Detroit free press , didn't mention a specific team it just mentioned those are the players teams are asking for
It's called negotiation. Other teams ask for a lot, Holland offers low, they meet somewhere in the middle. In the end they'll lose a Jurco/Pulk level prospect. Someone who can jump in and play for their new team right away.
I'm well aware of tampa's situation ... It's called making moves ... Get rid of bishop and Callahan , maybe they see stamkos more important than Johnson who's struggled last while and trade him for assets
I'm not a fan of giving 10 million to stamkos and his bloodclot issues and his demands to play center ....anyways Again we'll see who's right soon enough ... Like 10 days left
1. His blood clot issues have been taken care of. It's a non issue.
2. He is a center. If you haven't noticed, we kind of need a #1 center right now.
NerveDamage, yes I do believe it's possible to sign Stamkos without trading Datsyuk's contract. There are always other options, but of course ridding ourselves of that dead cap space would be the easiest route. If we can't trade the contract though, it is very possible to trade Ericsson and Howard and still be able to go after the biggest UFA fish.
As I've said before, Howard to a team like Calgary for a mid round pick and Ericsson to a team like Edmonton ($1M retained) for a mid to late round pick... Those two moves alone would give us $8.5M in cap space, along with the few million we'll have after we sign our remaining RFA's.
As for Helm, he's the only UFA's that I'd personally like back, and if we can sign him for under $3M, that would be great. I'd have one of Helm or Sheahan as our 3rd line center, depending on what our overall roster looks like come October...
This. It would take some creativity on Holland's part, but the team would only be in cap hell for just one season. They'd manage. Hopefully Holland has it in him to be willing to go over the cap if need be to try and lure him here. He'd have all summer to trim salary.
1.) You're right, I don't know s***, except that Helm is one of the best bottom 6 forwards in the league, and Nyquist and Tatar are very good secondary scorers. And also that Holland does NOT "need" to move Datsyuk's contract, and won't unless it's a fair deal.
2.) Nope, you didn't say it once. You said it at least twice in the past few hours in this very thread... "We need the cap for free agency and teams like NJ or Arizona know that". "Listen, they're gonna want a lot knowing that the time ticks against us. We need the cap for Free Agency"...
Blocking Poel helps. I've done it ages ago.
In the end, people keep comparing pav's contract to others that have been moved. Difference is, these other contracts involve cash that is owed. Pavel's does not.
Pretty sure it was the agent who asked for 5 yrs (if this ever happened)
I think pavel just wanted his signing bonus and wanted to leave pretty much soon after , it's holland's fault for giving him 3 years
People are gonna get so pissed when zetterberg f***s off In a year or 2 .. No way he's playing for a million a season
That one would be hard to blame on anyone, because the penalty for that was implemented after the contract was signed. It was a great contract at the time, and the league decided to punish teams who signed players to perfectly legal contracts after the fact.
In the end, Holland is gonna have to be willing to trade something upwards of a 3rd rounder or a Pulk-level prospect. I can understand saying no if teams are only willing to get more than that, but he has to be willing to give up something to fix this.
Chicago had to give up a good player to dump a contract. The difference is that contract has to be paid. This is a money-free cap hit, and under no circumstances should a team be looking to get that kind of a return out of Holland.
I feel like Holland is full of s*** to be honest. Why would Datsyuk have been asking for a 5 year extension, only to want to return to Russia pretty well as soon as he inked a 3 year deal? None of it adds up. Sounds more like a GM trying to cover his own ass after trying to convince Pavel to stick around longer than he wanted to.
So... anyone looking forward to an eventful offseason, well we may be s*** out of luck. Don't know how to quote tweets, but I'll just write them out. John Shannon of Sportsnet just said this:
"Told that Datsyuk's contract will be terminated for anticipatory breach and he will be free to sign a new contract in Russia."
"Because of Datsyuk's age, there will be a cap hit associated with his contract -- full cap hit because it's a 35 plus contract."
If that is correct, we can no longer trade the contract because there won't be a contract. Tomorrow just got a whole lot more interesting, if we can't shed Pav's contract, we won't be able to make any moves at all.
If this is true it's bulls*** that the Wings would be punished with the cap hit while not being allowed to trade it. Either waive the cap hit or let the team trade it. The Wings are not in the wrong here if Dats wants to go play in Russia.