You can say they've gotten old a year ago but the FACT IS it's still who he is. Just last year who did he sign/resign? Alfie and cleary.
So who knows MAYBE it changes this year? But when he has a track record of doing something I'd like to see it to believe it. It needs to change if we're going to be successful.
1. Alfie was a great pickup. If he plays another year here, it will make this team better.
2. The coach and team leadership all wanted Cleary back. Can't solely put that on Holland. He came of being a huge factor in the playoffs the year before. It didn't work out. These things happen. It did not hinder the team in any way in the end. People need to get over this.
Let's not forget holland is our GM. So we will sign a couple guys aged 38+ To a couple year deals and NTC.
I get that you're trying to be funny, but these "kicking the tires" and "signing old guys" jokes have gotten old a year ago. He has already said it is now time to see what they got in the system. If players are added, it won't be washed up has beens that eat up the cap.
Like hell....Franzen's lazy as all hell pass in Game 5 directly cost them that game.
Every player makes mistakes. Obviously some more noticeable than others. Datsyuk turned the puck over a few times in the series as well. Do we hate him now to? Face it. Hating on Mule is the hip thing to do right now. Cleary and Sammy haven't been playing, so there had to be someone else to blame for all the teams problems. Franzen worked hard in that series. But because he didn't score, he will be seen as lazy. There has been times in his career he has no doubt not worked hard. These playoffs were NOT one of them.
I guess I'm being kind of a wet, contrarion blanket. I can't say we need a solid top-four defenseman and then shoot down a seemingly perfect fit who'd only cost money. And it's not like epic overpayment isn't the norm these days. I'd just feel better if he were a surer thing. Like, Yandle is a similar player who's rumored to be maybe kinda sorta available for a top-six forward and a prospect, and while Niskanen is right-handed and would only cost money, I'd probably rather trade a key piece or two or three for Yandle's services based on Yandle's body of work. Any acquisition is a risk, a gamble, but we could be 90% sure Yandle would be a beast for us. Niskanen? Less certain.
I do understand the concern. I agree no signing is a sure thing. But it is less of a risk when no assets are given up. Even if he didn't pan out, there are always teams like Florida who can't lure a UFA to save their lives who would likely take a gamble on a contract dump. It's not like they ever have to worry about cap space lol.
But based on Niskanen's body of work, the risk is very small. The reward is also potentially great. If he were to turn out to be a great Red Wing, that also allows Holland a little freedom in using a defensive prospect in part of a trade to fix future holes in the lineup.
Or you could sign Niskanen, take the risk, and use those assets on a forward with size, speed, skill, and grit who has already identified your team as being one he'd wave his NTC to come to. Just sayin'.
Yeah, wouldn't want to marginally overpay for a good young talent (Erhoff, Wisniewski, Niskanen) when there are bargains everywhere you look (Commodore, White, Colaiacovo).
We've been down this road before. Just overpay for Niskanen by a million dollars if necessary (5.5 for 5 years) and let him grow into it. Either that or we can A) do nothing to our defense (which seems to be working great so far, ugh) or B) sign some marginal journeyman or aging vet and hope they produce over their heads (which I'm sure will totally work this time too, double ugh).
The planets have aligned for Holland to upgrade the blueline through UFA. In the past, there were cap worries. Now, there is not. No more excuses. Holland needs to make it so unless Niskanen flat out does not want to play in Detroit, that he will come here. He needs to be willing to match any contract for him within reason.
Edit: I'm not gonna quote you cause im too lazy. I agree Ouellet and Marchenko would likely be an improvement over kindl and lashoff (but who wouldn't?), it is a MUCH bigger risk going into the season with a rookie 3rd pairing than it would be to sign Niskanen. We need to vastly improve the D, not potentially marginally improve it.
We already did that for a player who had little impact and I don't expect to return
Can't compare niskanen to Rafalski geez ... Wait a few more years and see how niskanen does first , it's just one year basically
Jim carey also won the Vezina
I'm not comparing the 2 as players. I'm saying like Rafalski did at the time, he would fill a huge need if signed. He has also shown he is good for more than 1 year. This has just been his break out year. AND he can get it done in the playoffs. It would be insane to not sign him if given the chance. He is also good defensively. He will continue to get better, and would pretty much become the 2nd best dman on this team right off the bat.
Niskanen also got a lot more ice time because letang had a stroke And paul martin played like half a season and orpik isn't an offensive dman , only other d to play the full season is Maata and he's a rookie
Think that definetly helped niskanen get more pts dont see it happening again if letang plays all year and so do the other d's
They are all back now, and Niskanen is still getting more than 20 minutes per game. Because he has earned it and is producing. He can play on the PP and the PK. He's good, he's young, and he's what the Wings need. a HUGE upgrade over Q. Get rid of Kindl and Lashoff, and then have 2 of the kids be the 6th and 7th dman. If/when the time comes the kids are better than any of the 5 dmen ahead of them, moves can be made to accommodate that. Signing Niskanen doesn't jeopardize the future, it gives this team more assets to deal with. Kronwall, Dekeyser, Ericsson, Smith, and Niskanen. Those are 5 dmen that many other teams would love to have if any of the kids were to steal their job. It's not like we'd have a bunch of untradable contracts on the back end handcuffing the team.
There's nobody out there like Shea Weber. Shea Weber's don't come around too often either. And 5 million is a big difference from 8 million. I think if the Wings could get Niskanen for around 5 million a year, they should do it. No matter how you look at it, he's going to get a raise and he's sort of what we need RIGHT NOW. I honestly don't watch too many Pens games so I couldn't tell you if he's overrated or not but he just seems like what we need. I could be wrong though.
He is the real deal. Look at the talent the Pens have on the back end, then look at his ice time. He has earned it. At his age, he is also only coming into his prime. Adding him would be as perfect a fit as adding Rafalski was back in 2007.
No way San Jose gives him up. Marleau and Thornton are 34. I think he's someone they're going to look to be the leader once those two are gone. The trade would have to be heavily in their favor for them to actually do it.
Crazier things have happened when GM's get desperate to keep their job.
Am I the only one who thinks trading Helm, Smith and a 1st for Kesler is insane? With his style of play, i'll be shocked if he can play at the level he has (when healthy) for 4 or 5 years. If we're gonna be trading young NHL level players, Kesler is not the idea candidate. Trade for someone entering their prime, or stick with what they have and reassess at the deadline. We're finally rid of Cleary. We don't need another player whose body will start to break down on him in the next few years. Especially at that price.
Edit: Also, with the improvement Smith showed over the course of just one full season, I think it would be crazy to give him up now. Also unlike Kesler, most of Helm's injuries have been freak injuries. We can't give up on him when he is finally healthy and is only now gonna get a healthy summer of training in.