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#2416286 Franzen Buyout?

Posted by Richdg on 30 May 2013 - 04:47 PM

Guys, use capgeek and read. If franzen was to retire in the Summer of 2017, 4 seasons from now we would have a cap it of 2,772,727 for 3 more seasons. If he was to retire in the summer of 2016, our cap hit would be just under 2.1 million for 4 seasons. I he retires in the summer of 2018 the cap hit is 4.16 million for 2 seasons. If he retires in the summer of 2019 the hit is 8.32 million for 1 season.

In any of these events he costs us money on our cap, when he is not even playing. The hit is worse as he gets closer to the end of his contract. Now if we buy him out, he gives us a $0 cap hit. he is going to get paid his 22.5 million no matter what we/he does.

#2416280 Wow... Danny Cleary

Posted by ben_usmc on 30 May 2013 - 04:31 PM

Go fricking figure.  
Will this shut the Cleary cretins up?   Will this get them off his back?  
Nawww....Hell, he shoulda been scoring goals even with a broken back.
And don't tell me that was only for the last two games.  Did any of you see him let up?  To all of you Cleary haters out there, move on and get.a.life.  Pick on someone your own size because you'd never ever fit in his skates.  

Not unless it was separated in game 1.  Cleary was terrible all year, and needs to no longer be on the roster

props to him for playing through so much pain though.

#2415682 WCSF Game 7 GDT: Red Wings 1 at Blackhawks 2 OT (CHI wins series, 4-3)

Posted by Crymson on 29 May 2013 - 10:17 PM

Wasn't Cleary the leader in points this series?


I don't know, but almost all of his points were on extremely secondary assists.

#2415250 WCSF Game 7 GDT: Red Wings 1 at Blackhawks 2 OT (CHI wins series, 4-3)

Posted by LeftWinger on 29 May 2013 - 09:00 PM

No matter the outcome, Johan Franzen has no business being on this team....he is so horrible.

#2415081 WCSF Game 7 GDT: Red Wings 1 at Blackhawks 2 OT (CHI wins series, 4-3)

Posted by Crymson on 29 May 2013 - 08:23 PM

Cleary and miller came to play idk about anyone else


Cleary is too broken to complete a simple pass on the PP.

#2411716 WCSF Game 5 GDT : Red Wings 1 at Blackhawks 4, (DET leads series 3-2)

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 25 May 2013 - 08:33 PM

Dan Cleary has an outside chance of winning the Conn Smythe this year.  

#2408719 Brunner's Best

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 21 May 2013 - 12:41 AM


oh i bet you would ;)



#2408683 WCSF Game 3 GDT - Blackhawks 1 @ Red Wings 3 - (DET leads series 2-1)

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 20 May 2013 - 11:03 PM

We went toe to toe with them and came up big.


I guess you could say...





We went Toews to Toews with them.



#2407244 Broadcasters referencing Michigan schools/Michigan in general

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 19 May 2013 - 02:54 PM

Because it is always important to point out when a player has attended the best university in the history of the world (Hagelin), and equally as important to point out when players come from other, subpar universities within the state of Michigan.  It helps us judge people's worth as human beings.




True story.  :cool: :boxing:

#2407156 WCSF Game 2 GDT : Red Wings 4 at Blackhawks 1 - (Series Tied at 1)

Posted by Playmaker on 19 May 2013 - 07:12 AM

[quote name="Playmaker" post="2406686" timestamp="1368902201"]Smith is a rookie who is going to make mistakes.  Pucks will get past you at the point.  If Cleary does his job, it's a good scoring chance, and nothing more.  He's a seasoned playoff veteran and shouldn't be making plays like this.  Cleary isn't the scapegoat.  He's getting well deserved criticism for his extremely poor play.[/quote

What you call "well-deserved criticism" is what I'd call obsessive overkill. He is not playing well. But Cleary commentary has gone from well-chosen, logical and timely remarks to a kind of pubescent, smart-ass, sarcastic let's-all-dump-on-him-because-it's-the-current-thing-to-do thing. Kind of like mindless, absentee bullying. What I find interesting about my own reaction is that whether it's my business or not; and even though I don't have any control over it, I feel embarrassed and sad for those of you who are persisting, even when he plays ok. It's just a guess here. A stab in the dark? But I'm thinking the point has been made that Daniel Cleary is not playing well.

Sorry, but I think the both of you are being a bit overly sensitive.  Like I said, I don't have a history of bashing or doing the "TRADE HIM" bit if someone has a bad game and I can't control what anyone else does or says.  But the bottom line is, for two full seasons, Cleary has been a shell of his former self.  He struggles with many basic things like clearing the zone or taking the right guy defensively (which wouldn't be so bad if his "defensive prowess" wasn't constantly given as his reason for being in the line up every day) His skating is painfully slow. He rarely hits any more has litte playmaking ability left and doesn't seem capable of standing in front of the net to make a play.  That doesn't take away what he did in the past and it doesn't mean he doesn't occasionally make a decent play, nor does it mean other players aren't struggling as well.


This is almost like a Brandon Inge reinicarnation.  The guy was hitting a buck fifty and trotted out as the starting 3B every day and was actually given a shot at 2B when Cabrera moved to third and yet if you said anything, you were a "hater" and a "bully".  Then once in a blue moon he'd get like an infield squibber or field a basic ground ball, and it was like "See!!! Look at how good he is!  He made that play!"

Oh, AND he's good in the community!  Well, so was Mother Theresa, but I don't want her playing on my team.


He's been a completely ineffective player, yet every game this season, there he is with Datsyuk and Zetterberg, on the PP, on the ice in the final minute of a game while guys like Eaves, Miller and others are sitting in the press box on any given night and while guys like Tatar are wasting away in Grand Rapids. Most of his goals are the result of him being the last guy it hit on the way to the net and a great many of his assists are him just getting the puck to 13 or 40 and having them do their magic.  When Brunner was having a bad stretch he was pulled from the lineup, made to sit a few games and then was reinsterted on the 3rd line.  When Ian White and Carlo Colaiocovo struggled, they were benched in favor of young players.  Same with Tootoo, Berrtuzzi and Samuelsson.  Not Cleary.


I was willing to give Cleary the benefit of the doubt last season because it was supposedly his bad knees and once he had surgery over the summer, he'd be back to his old self.  That didn't happen.  His decline has continued.  But there he is, in the lineup, in the top 6 game after game.  I suppose that's on Babcock.  I have a great deal of respect for him, but I don't agree with him on how he's handled Cleary.  His blind devotion is baffling.


I'm not here as often as many others are, but I haven't seen nearly as much Cleary bashing as I have for Franzen, Filppula, Smith, and Quincey.  No one has called him "Danielle" and I haven't seen any personal attacks, mostly just pointing out his poor play during a game day thread. 

#2406903 WCSF Game 2 GDT : Red Wings 4 at Blackhawks 1 - (Series Tied at 1)

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 18 May 2013 - 02:38 PM

Mission accomplished steal a win in Chicago


We didn't steal s***.  We outplayed them the entire game.  

#2406585 WCSF Game 2 GDT : Red Wings 4 at Blackhawks 1 - (Series Tied at 1)

Posted by gowings00 on 18 May 2013 - 01:13 PM

Cleary must have some career ending blackmail for Babcock. There is no other explanation for his ice time.

#2405805 WCSF Game 1 GDT : Red Wings 1 at Blackhawks 4, (CHI leads series 1-0)

Posted by ben_usmc on 16 May 2013 - 10:08 AM

Yep. It's all on Danny. Forget the fact that there were consistent and incessant f***-ups all over the ice last night by every one of our guys except Howard. This Cleary crap has become weirdly obsessive and way over-simplistic. And NO. I do not agree that he is consistently the worst player on the ice.

That's fine, I think a majority disagree with you though.  He was responsible for a 2 goal swing alone (Not shooting/not covering his man).   Anytime he touches the puck he turns it over, he will try to skate into the zone, dump it to them, or trap himself against the boards and have it taken. 

#2405727 Official Franzen VS Hossa

Posted by gcom007 on 15 May 2013 - 10:04 PM

Anyone who ever thought it was a good idea to keep Franzen over Hossa was and always will be out of their minds. Even at his best, Franzen is a one-dimensional player. Hossa brought you all the offensive upside and more that Franzen at his best brings (let's hope "brings" is still the proper word, but "brought" is probably more appropriate at this point...), and on top of that he's great in the defensive zone and one of the hardest workers on the ice every night, which is a great example for the younger players. It was absolutely insane that Holland prioritized Franzen over Hossa.


Holland should've done all that was necessary to keep both Franzen and Hossa, and don't give me the "not enough cap room" crap, he absolutely could've done more to clear space. But he was afraid to for the same reasons that lead to him prioritizing Franzen in the first place; he's too sentimental (or something...) on guys that have been with the team longer. Sure, it would've hurt our depth a bit, but we ended up losing some of the guys we prioritized over Hossa anyways, and the new depth guys we signed would've been able to be signed even after signing Hossa.


Now more than ever, when you have a chance to lock up a guy like Hossa, a guy who could be a legitimate franchise player on most teams in this league, you do it. And to think, we were trying to sign Parise at what, $9 million last summer when we could've had Hossa for around $5 million. It still just makes me sick and is one of the many reasons I still question Holland's ability to manage this team well in the cap era. 

#2405492 WCSF Game 1 GDT : Red Wings 1 at Blackhawks 4, (CHI leads series 1-0)

Posted by RedWingsRox on 15 May 2013 - 09:11 PM

We're using the trust Howie and hang with them till 3 mins left in the 3rd period, then score and steal the win strategy