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#2423283 Dreger: Filppula looking for $5.5m/season over at least 7 years

Posted by Nev on 29 June 2013 - 03:02 AM

Let flip go. Bring in the youth.


Remember when Flip was the youth?  Remember when he put put up 70 points in GR and everyone was all over Babcock and Holland for not playing him enough?  Now he's greedy and one-dimensional and useless


Remember when Hudler was the youth?  Remember when he put up 96 points in GR?  Remember how everyone was all over Babcock and Holland for not playing him enough?  Now he's greedy and one-dimensional and useless and lazy.


Remember when Kopecky was the youth?  Remember when he put up 72 points in GR?  Remember how everyone was all over Babcock and Holland for not playing him enough? (well, OK, its was just Eva ;) )  Now he's just useless.


Remember when Kronwall was the youth?  Remember when he put up 53 points in GR?  Remember when he was Nick Jr?  Now he's useless and can't defend, and a turnover machine and not a #1 defenceman.


Remember when Smith was the youth?  Remember how 12 months ago he was LOCK for the Calder on here?  Now he's the most useless defenceman in history, a Frankenstein combination of all the worst parts of Anders Ericsson, Max Kuznetzov, Matthieu Dandenault and Brett Lebda.


Are you spotting the pattern here?  When they're in the minors all our prospects are the next coming of Steve Yzerman and Nick Lidstrom on here.  Then they get here, and they turn into what the scouts projected (3rd line checker, 2nd line 2-way winger) and not what the LGWers predicted (Pavel Zetterberg), and LGW treats them like they're something they scraped off their shoe.


So good luck Nyquist.  Good luck Tatar.  Good luck Sheahan, Ferraro and Jurco.  You'd better turn into HOFers, otherwise you'll just plain SUCK!

#2422474 Should we trade our 2013 1st round pick?

Posted by Drake_Marcus on 26 June 2013 - 03:21 PM

The organizational depth is such that the Wings can likely afford to actually trade up right now.  They could really use a home run scoring forward right now.

#2421203 Dreger: Filppula looking for $5.5m/season over at least 7 years

Posted by Aznknight on 21 June 2013 - 12:02 PM

Fil scored 197 pts during his 5 yr/15 million contract. That's $76,000/point.
Dats scored 342 @ 5yr/33.5 mil. That's $98,000/pt.
Franzen scored 222 @ 5yr/21.650 mil. That's $97,000/pt
Cleary is $83,000/pt.
Horton is $100,000/pt
Crosby was $117,000/pt
Gomez was $204,000/pt (see how important this stat is)
Hudler was $57,000/pt

We pay them to score and fil has more than filled his duty if money is the question. He was our cheapest scorer. We let go of huds when he was the best bang for the buck.
Fil plays D and is fast and can create matchup problems. His demand of $5mil is fair to the standards. If we paid him 5mil/yr at 197 pts he would be $126,000/pt. To get a fairl contract with him it'll have to be $3.8@5 yrs which would make him a $98,000/pt player. However, we can't afford it with the influx of new, cheaper talent so sadly we'll be letting go another better bang for the buck player again.

No matter how anyone spins it that he's small, passess to cleary on a break away, doesn't give good enough massages, does not fight etc etc, one thing is certain. Fil has the qualities of a top player. He passess well, backchecks, and scores enough to be effective to the money he is paid.

#2421143 Dreger: Filppula looking for $5.5m/season over at least 7 years

Posted by TheOwl on 21 June 2013 - 12:20 AM

Hell no....wouldn't take him for half the money and 6 years...let him go....send Cleary with him


The guy is one of the best players on the team. Very underrated, drafted and developed in house. If he won't take 3.5-4 million, then gonna have to let him go. Letting Hudler go was a HUGE mistake, and it will be a HUGE mistake to let Flipulla go too. The Red Wings waste so much cap space on people who don't even play, they can afford to overpay a player by a million here or there.

#2416286 Franzen Buyout?

Posted by Richdg on 30 May 2013 - 04:47 PM

Guys, use capgeek and read. If franzen was to retire in the Summer of 2017, 4 seasons from now we would have a cap it of 2,772,727 for 3 more seasons. If he was to retire in the summer of 2016, our cap hit would be just under 2.1 million for 4 seasons. I he retires in the summer of 2018 the cap hit is 4.16 million for 2 seasons. If he retires in the summer of 2019 the hit is 8.32 million for 1 season.

In any of these events he costs us money on our cap, when he is not even playing. The hit is worse as he gets closer to the end of his contract. Now if we buy him out, he gives us a $0 cap hit. he is going to get paid his 22.5 million no matter what we/he does.

#2416280 Wow... Danny Cleary

Posted by ben_usmc on 30 May 2013 - 04:31 PM

Go fricking figure.  
Will this shut the Cleary cretins up?   Will this get them off his back?  
Nawww....Hell, he shoulda been scoring goals even with a broken back.
And don't tell me that was only for the last two games.  Did any of you see him let up?  To all of you Cleary haters out there, move on and get.a.life.  Pick on someone your own size because you'd never ever fit in his skates.  

Not unless it was separated in game 1.  Cleary was terrible all year, and needs to no longer be on the roster

props to him for playing through so much pain though.

#2415682 WCSF Game 7 GDT: Red Wings 1 at Blackhawks 2 OT (CHI wins series, 4-3)

Posted by Guest on 29 May 2013 - 10:17 PM

Wasn't Cleary the leader in points this series?


I don't know, but almost all of his points were on extremely secondary assists.

#2415250 WCSF Game 7 GDT: Red Wings 1 at Blackhawks 2 OT (CHI wins series, 4-3)

Posted by LeftWinger on 29 May 2013 - 09:00 PM

No matter the outcome, Johan Franzen has no business being on this team....he is so horrible.

#2415081 WCSF Game 7 GDT: Red Wings 1 at Blackhawks 2 OT (CHI wins series, 4-3)

Posted by Guest on 29 May 2013 - 08:23 PM

Cleary and miller came to play idk about anyone else


Cleary is too broken to complete a simple pass on the PP.

#2411716 WCSF Game 5 GDT : Red Wings 1 at Blackhawks 4, (DET leads series 3-2)

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 25 May 2013 - 08:33 PM

Dan Cleary has an outside chance of winning the Conn Smythe this year.  

#2408719 Brunner's Best

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 21 May 2013 - 12:41 AM


oh i bet you would ;)



#2408683 WCSF Game 3 GDT - Blackhawks 1 @ Red Wings 3 - (DET leads series 2-1)

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 20 May 2013 - 11:03 PM

We went toe to toe with them and came up big.


I guess you could say...





We went Toews to Toews with them.



#2407244 Broadcasters referencing Michigan schools/Michigan in general

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 19 May 2013 - 02:54 PM

Because it is always important to point out when a player has attended the best university in the history of the world (Hagelin), and equally as important to point out when players come from other, subpar universities within the state of Michigan.  It helps us judge people's worth as human beings.




True story.  :cool: :boxing:

#2407156 WCSF Game 2 GDT : Red Wings 4 at Blackhawks 1 - (Series Tied at 1)

Posted by Guest on 19 May 2013 - 07:12 AM

[quote name="Playmaker" post="2406686" timestamp="1368902201"]Smith is a rookie who is going to make mistakes.  Pucks will get past you at the point.  If Cleary does his job, it's a good scoring chance, and nothing more.  He's a seasoned playoff veteran and shouldn't be making plays like this.  Cleary isn't the scapegoat.  He's getting well deserved criticism for his extremely poor play.[/quote

What you call "well-deserved criticism" is what I'd call obsessive overkill. He is not playing well. But Cleary commentary has gone from well-chosen, logical and timely remarks to a kind of pubescent, smart-ass, sarcastic let's-all-dump-on-him-because-it's-the-current-thing-to-do thing. Kind of like mindless, absentee bullying. What I find interesting about my own reaction is that whether it's my business or not; and even though I don't have any control over it, I feel embarrassed and sad for those of you who are persisting, even when he plays ok. It's just a guess here. A stab in the dark? But I'm thinking the point has been made that Daniel Cleary is not playing well.

Sorry, but I think the both of you are being a bit overly sensitive.  Like I said, I don't have a history of bashing or doing the "TRADE HIM" bit if someone has a bad game and I can't control what anyone else does or says.  But the bottom line is, for two full seasons, Cleary has been a shell of his former self.  He struggles with many basic things like clearing the zone or taking the right guy defensively (which wouldn't be so bad if his "defensive prowess" wasn't constantly given as his reason for being in the line up every day) His skating is painfully slow. He rarely hits any more has litte playmaking ability left and doesn't seem capable of standing in front of the net to make a play.  That doesn't take away what he did in the past and it doesn't mean he doesn't occasionally make a decent play, nor does it mean other players aren't struggling as well.


This is almost like a Brandon Inge reinicarnation.  The guy was hitting a buck fifty and trotted out as the starting 3B every day and was actually given a shot at 2B when Cabrera moved to third and yet if you said anything, you were a "hater" and a "bully".  Then once in a blue moon he'd get like an infield squibber or field a basic ground ball, and it was like "See!!! Look at how good he is!  He made that play!"

Oh, AND he's good in the community!  Well, so was Mother Theresa, but I don't want her playing on my team.


He's been a completely ineffective player, yet every game this season, there he is with Datsyuk and Zetterberg, on the PP, on the ice in the final minute of a game while guys like Eaves, Miller and others are sitting in the press box on any given night and while guys like Tatar are wasting away in Grand Rapids. Most of his goals are the result of him being the last guy it hit on the way to the net and a great many of his assists are him just getting the puck to 13 or 40 and having them do their magic.  When Brunner was having a bad stretch he was pulled from the lineup, made to sit a few games and then was reinsterted on the 3rd line.  When Ian White and Carlo Colaiocovo struggled, they were benched in favor of young players.  Same with Tootoo, Berrtuzzi and Samuelsson.  Not Cleary.


I was willing to give Cleary the benefit of the doubt last season because it was supposedly his bad knees and once he had surgery over the summer, he'd be back to his old self.  That didn't happen.  His decline has continued.  But there he is, in the lineup, in the top 6 game after game.  I suppose that's on Babcock.  I have a great deal of respect for him, but I don't agree with him on how he's handled Cleary.  His blind devotion is baffling.


I'm not here as often as many others are, but I haven't seen nearly as much Cleary bashing as I have for Franzen, Filppula, Smith, and Quincey.  No one has called him "Danielle" and I haven't seen any personal attacks, mostly just pointing out his poor play during a game day thread. 

#2406903 WCSF Game 2 GDT : Red Wings 4 at Blackhawks 1 - (Series Tied at 1)

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 18 May 2013 - 02:38 PM

Mission accomplished steal a win in Chicago


We didn't steal s***.  We outplayed them the entire game.