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#1995803 Would a real gritty fighter help or hurt this team?

Posted by magicaldatsyuk on 07 June 2010 - 11:29 AM

we dont need another brad may




#1995673 Bertuzzi states he will either stay with wings or retire

Posted by Guest on 07 June 2010 - 06:37 AM

This was only Filppula's 4th full season. He did show considerable improvement in his 2nd. That improvement, and a nice contract, led a lot of fans to think he was somehow supposed to turn into an all-star while playing on the third line with almost no PP time the next year. So, even though he did improve that year, some people just looked at the lack of goals and thought of it as a disappointment. Failing to meet unrealistic fan expectations doesn't make him a disappointment.

This last year was the first time Flip was really expected to step up. Then he got stuck on the third line again to start the year, and had a significant injury. Despite that his play did improve considerably. He was easily our third best forward in the playoffs.



There's more to the game than scoring. Homer scores a little more, but doesn't do any of the other things as well. Then Homer has to take a discount due to his age. Fair or not, his age is an additional risk factor that has to be considered when valuing a contract. If Homer was 27 or 30, he almost certainly would be paid more than Flip or Cleary.


So you think Cleary and Filppula are both good value for 3M? And Homer should make less because he is older? Well I'll take Homer's 45 points in 68 games to Cleary's 34 in 65 games any day. The Wing's PP without Homer is dismal, what in the Wing's game is missing when Cleary is not playing? Cleary, in my opinion has not been the same since he got hit in the face with the puck.


#1995156 Bertuzzi states he will either stay with wings or retire

Posted by Guest on 06 June 2010 - 08:42 AM

Right. Cleary put up another 40-point season with a solid defensive contribution in '08-'09 while playing on the 3rd line, while putting in his usual defensive performance. Then he scored nine goals and six assists with a whopping plus-17 in the playoffs. The only person who even came close to that +/- was Zetterberg at a +13. This entire season he was playing injured.

This sort of comment makes it clear that you've no compunction against making arguments that are absolutely not backed up with facts. Oh, wait... you joined here two months ago. Typical.

Filppula? Yeah, let's see. He was on the verge of a breakout season before he was injured as was, he put up 35 points in 55 games on a roster that saw a whole lot of other injuries. In the '08-'09 playoffs, he was our 4th-leading scorer, and he put up 9 points in 12 games in this year's playoffs.

Once again....


When is the last time Cleary had 20 goals or a big hit? Both were before his NTC, and Filppula has always "been on the verge".
As for when I joined :tease:


#1995342 Bertuzzi states he will either stay with wings or retire

Posted by Buppy on 06 June 2010 - 04:01 PM

...and Filppula has always "been on the verge".


This was only Filppula's 4th full season. He did show considerable improvement in his 2nd. That improvement, and a nice contract, led a lot of fans to think he was somehow supposed to turn into an all-star while playing on the third line with almost no PP time the next year. So, even though he did improve that year, some people just looked at the lack of goals and thought of it as a disappointment. Failing to meet unrealistic fan expectations doesn't make him a disappointment.

This last year was the first time Flip was really expected to step up. Then he got stuck on the third line again to start the year, and had a significant injury. Despite that his play did improve considerably. He was easily our third best forward in the playoffs.

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Both Filppula and Cleary are overpaid by 40% for what they have brought to the table the past 2 seasons. Hell Homer deserves more than either one of them, and don't give me any s*** about them being injured, Homer takes more of a beating than both of them put together.


There's more to the game than scoring. Homer scores a little more, but doesn't do any of the other things as well. Then Homer has to take a discount due to his age. Fair or not, his age is an additional risk factor that has to be considered when valuing a contract. If Homer was 27 or 30, he almost certainly would be paid more than Flip or Cleary.


#1994926 Bertuzzi states he will either stay with wings or retire

Posted by eva unit zero on 05 June 2010 - 04:28 PM

For those who are trying to figure out Bertuzzi's potential contract...

Holland has signed Lidstrom and Holmstrom, and has stated he will make qualifying offers to all of his RFAs, all before turning his attention to Bertuzzi.

This means our roster could potentially look like this when negotiations with Bertuzzi begin:

FORWARDS
Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)
Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($?.???m)
Johan Franzen ($3.955m) / Jiri Hudler ($2.875m) / Patrick Eaves ($0.550m)
Justin Abdelkader ($0.893m) / Darren Helm ($0.659m) / Drew Miller ($0.578m)
Kris Draper ($1.583m)
Mattias Ritola ($0.517m)

DEFENSEMEN

Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.200m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($0.900m)
Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / Brian Rafalski ($6.000m)
Jakub Kindl ($0.883m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m)
Derek Meech ($0.532m)

GOALTENDERS

Jimmy Howard ($0.717m)
Chris Osgood ($1.417m)

ROSTER: 22; CAP: $56.8m/$58.8m; PAYROLL: $55.467m; CAP ROOM: $1.333m/$3.333m

So Bertuzzi's contract could be anywhere from $1m to $3m depending on the cap and RFA negotiations. Not unrealistic that he could be kept, but what role would he have? In the lines I listed above, I put together three strong scoring lines. However, two minor changes (Hudler and Franzen for Filppula and Bertuzzi) shift Bertuzzi to a role on a checking third line with a clear secondary scoring role, rather than a line that would be relied on for primary scoring.



#1994932 Bertuzzi states he will either stay with wings or retire

Posted by king_malice on 05 June 2010 - 04:47 PM

Id rather have Bertuzzi then Miller, Abdelkader i thought would get a small raise and Helm for sure deserves one.There is nothing Miller does that Ritola cant in my opinion so why not just save the money from Miller.

Franzen-Zetterberg-Holmstrom
Hudler-Datsyuk-Bertuzzi
Cleary-Filppula-Ritola
Eaves/UFA-Abdelkader-Helm
Draper

Stuart-Rafalski
Kronwall-Lidstrom
UFA-Ericcson
Kindl


#1986751 Valtteri Filppula appreciation

Posted by HankthaTank on 18 May 2010 - 03:29 PM

If he doesn't have a "breakout" year then as much as I hate to admit, it might be time to consider him as serious trade bait.


Posted Image Consider him traded then if we are going on a "breakout" year. It would shock me (although pleasantly). Just can't see Val blowing up for 50 or 60+ points. Still have to say his strength on the puck at times and unreal puck placement on shots-sometimes-can be fun to watch. Lets just see what happens


#1994080 Report: Hasek headed to the KHL

Posted by TheOwl on 03 June 2010 - 10:15 PM

Hasek is no doubt the best goalie of the modern era.


#1994017 Holmstrom signs 2 year extension

Posted by LeftWinger on 03 June 2010 - 07:59 PM

$1,875,000 is a bargain for 25 goals. I love it. Although things could get hairy next year if he ends up being like Draper (a spare part in the last year of his contract).

Yes indeed if that is true then awesome! Hopefully if they re-sign Bertuzzi, it will be similar numbers! I see a good July 1 coming soon!


#1993478 With Yzerman in Tampa, would he trade with Detroit?

Posted by Guest on 02 June 2010 - 10:45 PM

i'd say there's about a 99% chance of that happening


#1993075 Record Ratings on NBC

Posted by Hockeytown0001 on 02 June 2010 - 11:52 AM

That's good news.

Funny how espn sporstwriters (idiots) are always blabbing about how no one cares about hockey, especially with Crosby/Ovechkin not in the Finals. Yet they make it sound like everyone cares about their overhyped, overrated NBA playoffs.


It's not like the Lakers and Celtics have ever played in the Finals before.


#1992993 What are the Pros and Cons of next season?

Posted by KDDRWINGS1 on 02 June 2010 - 10:14 AM

:ph34r:


#1992051 Hossa

Posted by gcom007 on 31 May 2010 - 09:27 PM

A few thoughts...

Stan Bowman has said on numerous occasions that Hossa's role on this team is to be the guy who leads the way towards a strong two-way game. He's the guy who out-hustles everyone back to help on D and that's what Bowman wants out of him. He's got tons of scoring depth, but those guys needed to learn from another scorer how to play a complete game and Hossa's greatly helped in that area.

He seems to be raising his scoring game thus far in the Stanley Cup Finals. 2 assists and a generally great performance in game 1 and the first goal in game 2...tough to say the guy isn't answering the call when it counts more than ever this year.

And sure, his scoring's been down, but he's played a different role on this team and no one watching and critiquing these games has been short of praise for Hossa's overall play. It's looking pretty likely that the Hawks are about to go up 2-0 on the Flyers in the Finals, and you've then got to think that there chances of winning are pretty damn likely. It's tough to rip on the guy when he's playing for Stanley Cup right now and we've been done for awhile.

Franzen's outscored him, sure, thanks primarily to a great single game effort. He was non-existent a great deal of the time in the playoffs and unlike Hossa, when Franzen's not scoring, he might as well not be on the ice.

Hossa's going to be great whenever he's on the ice, in every situation you can throw him into. He can score. He can be a playmaker. He's an excellent 2-way player. He never takes a shift off and he out-hustles everyone on the ice. He's a complete player.

I have no doubt that Hossa's head has hindered his offensive performance thus far in the playoffs after 3 years of questions and supposed "curses." It's got to bother him. But he's come into the Finals to win and again, he's answering the call thus far.

If they win it this year, thus silencing Hossa's critics and removing the "curse" and the pressure, watch out. He'll be better and better in the coming years when he's able to just get out there and play his game.

And I still wish he was a Wing...


#1990777 Wings will sign multi-year lease at the Joe

Posted by Hockeytown0001 on 28 May 2010 - 12:24 PM

A couple folks have mentioned they like the Joe due to its old school charm. Unfortunately all I see when I go there is "old".


So historic venues such as Fenway and Wrigley Field should be shut down as well too?


#1990696 Wings will sign multi-year lease at the Joe

Posted by ACallToArms on 28 May 2010 - 08:55 AM

I love the feel of the Joe. It's small enough that practically every seat is a good seat. It has that old school feel to it, and like the above poster said, the moment you start climbing those steps you feel like you're at a hockey game. The biggest problem I have is the bathroom situation. You pretty much have to leave to go 5 minutes before the end of a period or else you'll be waiting 20 minutes in line.

I do wish there were more bars and restaurants right there that you could walk to right after a game. The Death Ride to Greektown on the Old Shillelagh bus is a nice compromise though, and it never gets old :banana: