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#1992051 Hossa

Posted by gcom007 on 31 May 2010 - 09:27 PM

A few thoughts...

Stan Bowman has said on numerous occasions that Hossa's role on this team is to be the guy who leads the way towards a strong two-way game. He's the guy who out-hustles everyone back to help on D and that's what Bowman wants out of him. He's got tons of scoring depth, but those guys needed to learn from another scorer how to play a complete game and Hossa's greatly helped in that area.

He seems to be raising his scoring game thus far in the Stanley Cup Finals. 2 assists and a generally great performance in game 1 and the first goal in game 2...tough to say the guy isn't answering the call when it counts more than ever this year.

And sure, his scoring's been down, but he's played a different role on this team and no one watching and critiquing these games has been short of praise for Hossa's overall play. It's looking pretty likely that the Hawks are about to go up 2-0 on the Flyers in the Finals, and you've then got to think that there chances of winning are pretty damn likely. It's tough to rip on the guy when he's playing for Stanley Cup right now and we've been done for awhile.

Franzen's outscored him, sure, thanks primarily to a great single game effort. He was non-existent a great deal of the time in the playoffs and unlike Hossa, when Franzen's not scoring, he might as well not be on the ice.

Hossa's going to be great whenever he's on the ice, in every situation you can throw him into. He can score. He can be a playmaker. He's an excellent 2-way player. He never takes a shift off and he out-hustles everyone on the ice. He's a complete player.

I have no doubt that Hossa's head has hindered his offensive performance thus far in the playoffs after 3 years of questions and supposed "curses." It's got to bother him. But he's come into the Finals to win and again, he's answering the call thus far.

If they win it this year, thus silencing Hossa's critics and removing the "curse" and the pressure, watch out. He'll be better and better in the coming years when he's able to just get out there and play his game.

And I still wish he was a Wing...


#1990777 Wings will sign multi-year lease at the Joe

Posted by Hockeytown0001 on 28 May 2010 - 12:24 PM

A couple folks have mentioned they like the Joe due to its old school charm. Unfortunately all I see when I go there is "old".


So historic venues such as Fenway and Wrigley Field should be shut down as well too?


#1990696 Wings will sign multi-year lease at the Joe

Posted by ACallToArms on 28 May 2010 - 08:55 AM

I love the feel of the Joe. It's small enough that practically every seat is a good seat. It has that old school feel to it, and like the above poster said, the moment you start climbing those steps you feel like you're at a hockey game. The biggest problem I have is the bathroom situation. You pretty much have to leave to go 5 minutes before the end of a period or else you'll be waiting 20 minutes in line.

I do wish there were more bars and restaurants right there that you could walk to right after a game. The Death Ride to Greektown on the Old Shillelagh bus is a nice compromise though, and it never gets old :banana:


#1989237 History Will be Made

Posted by Manny>Ozzie(by a long shot) on 24 May 2010 - 11:48 PM

:puke: :no:

Why oh why Kenny...

Why did they give up on him SO fast?


#1988237 Whats the record in the NHL

Posted by Jedi on 22 May 2010 - 01:53 PM

With a different team, I wouldn't know where to begin.

But I believe the overall record for most consecutive is 5 straight, held by 12 different players, all from the Canadiens.

Jean Beliveau, Bernie Geoffrion, Doug Harvey, Tom Johnson, Don Marshall, Dickie Moore, Jacques Plante, Claude Provost, Henri Richard, "Rocket" Richard, Jean-Guy Talbot and Bob Turner were with the Habs when they won the cup 5 times in a row, 1955/1956 to 1959/1960, which is still the longest Cup winning streak in NHL history.

So, if nothing else, Hossa would have to make it this year plus the next two just to tie that streak.


#1987512 Jimmy Howard has championship skills

Posted by mindfly on 20 May 2010 - 09:04 AM

As I've said many times before, Price is an excellent goaltender, he probably has the best technique among all active goalies and great goalie physique for post-lockout-nhl, he just need to change team to a team that generally play great defense and have real twoway centers and wingers helping down low, get his ass out of Montreal and the heavy pressure that goes on there and he will be a top goalie in the nhl.


#1987297 Jimmy Howard has championship skills

Posted by RedWings on 19 May 2010 - 04:45 PM

Wings were dominated by SJ in the goaltending area.
Howard was solid in round 1, but totally outplayed by Nabokov in round 2.

With a championship goaltender, the wings would be right now en route for the cup finals.


#1985499 Proof that NHL Parity Is Not Working.

Posted by ben_usmc on 15 May 2010 - 10:18 AM

considering the 7/8 seeds in the east are in the finals doesn't that prove there's parity. But you are right about where these teams would finish in the west, because it's kind of buls*** how pathetic the east is compared to the west.


#1984207 5/12 Playoff Gameday

Posted by Carman on 12 May 2010 - 08:37 PM

also crosby and malkin choked


Same with Ovechkin and Semin...

Come on now, give Halak some credit he's been absolutely amazing.


#1983788 Babcock: Improvement to come from within

Posted by Red Storm on 12 May 2010 - 01:26 AM

For those criticizing Filppula... Filppula was suffering from a rib injury caused during the Coyotes series.

source: http://blog.mlive.co...n_world_ch.html

But that's the whole thing with the playoffs is playing through your injuries to go all the way.


#1983787 Babcock: Improvement to come from within

Posted by Red Storm on 12 May 2010 - 01:21 AM

I'm not sure I agree that Flip is a tweener. I still think he has great potential and I think it was evident during the playoffs. But even if it were true, what team is going to give up a good scorer for him?

I'm not sure we need look for a scorer necessarily. I'd like a tough guy grinder like a Patrick Kaleta of the Sabres, we need some sandpaper like we had with Dallas Drake . Maybe someone from the Capitals like Brookes Laich . Flip was a real downer in the playoffs . Against Pheonix he's was flying , I thought man this is going to be playoff for him where he hits the star level like Zetterberg did in the Cup run against the Pens. But no, when he came up against the Shark's intensity he totally faded. Disapointing for someone who knows the taste of the Cup run ,I was really hoping that he was going to step up.


#1977040 It's Official: Happy Hudler is Back

Posted by Finnish Wing on 05 May 2010 - 08:54 PM

Finland in the Finnish Elite league maybe, but at the NHL level finland barely has players that can translate that toughness at the highest level. The ruutus are the only 2 I can think of. I'm not talking about the leagues in Europe I'm talking about the best league in the world, the NHL. I don't care if Finnish people play tough in a lower level league, there is barely any players who have that toughness and skill to hack it.

Its just a different brand of hockey and everyone knows it. Sure they may not play that way in Finland but in the NHL it just doesn't show. I'm not saying there isn't tough Europeans, theres plenty. Oliwa, Ivanans, Volchenkov and even OV all play a tough game. But they are few and far between, I'm speaking in generalities but theres a reasno its like this. The way the players are brought up with emphasis on the skilled part of the game. Theres nothing wrong with it, it just is how it is.

I was actually talking about international tournaments where Finland has gained success with hard work and grinding against the more skilled countries.

It's just that most of the people here think "Europeans are soft", in GENERAL. Even outside hockey.

Then again. You don't know basically anything about players who don't play in the NHL. You don't have a clue what kinda players there are.

I've said it before that if there are two players battling for the 4th line spot and they're both equally good in everything the spot usually goes to the NA guy. That's why most European players who want to succeed in the NHL have to offer something different. That's the biggest reason why you don't see many tough guy Europeans in the NHL.

There are always less players who are skilled compared to players who are tough. There are numerous tough players, tough guys outside NHL but they really have nothing special to offer. If you are an European player growing up it's more likely that you get in to the NHL by taking the skill road. Of course that has also made the European players more skill-wise, because everyone wants to get in to the NHL.

The thing is, most of you guys have never watched a single game of any European league. The general picture you have of Europeans is flawed. You think there are only Europeans and North Americans, and you probably even think that it's the same way in real life - that NA guys would generally be tougher.

Basically it's about demand and supply. There are many tough players in the NHL, but there have always been surplus when it comes to the skilled players. That's why European players who crack in the NHL are usually skilled.


#1983635 Babcock: Improvement to come from within

Posted by zackmorris on 11 May 2010 - 06:20 PM

Filppula is probably the most underrated defensive forward on this team and quite possibly the entire league. We as Wings fans watch him over 100 times a year and don't really get what he's doing. He's a defensive forward. Not every defensive forward is Hank or Pav. For the same reasons defensive liabilities like Malkin can rack up a ton of points, that's what makes it harder for guys like Flip to score. You're either crashing the net or skating backwards. One or the other. Just watch Flip-when the other team touched the puck, he's on his horse going backwards to disrupt their rush. When we're shooting it on net, he's letting his linemates play offensively and hovering about 20 feet behind where most offensively minded players would, just as a precaution.

All we notice, is that he's not scoring 70. His defensive game goes overlooked by even fans of his team. The guy is a huge reason why we're the defensive team we are. We could replace him with a 70 point guy who, sorry, skates like Franzen while backchecking and that won't help us much if at all. Could Flip get 70? Really, I think if he played offense like some players in this league do, and had two good linemates, I think he could get 80. But that's why we're Detroit and that's why we win.

I dunno why I even bother, I've typed this a dozen times before. No one listens. They just blindly expect 70 points out of the guy when that's not really what will happen unless he totally changes his style of play. And ask any defensive forward-it gets into your head. When your first gut instinct is to skate backwards and not forwards, that changes everything.


#1983554 Babcock: Improvement to come from within

Posted by Crymson on 11 May 2010 - 03:23 PM

Good call. Nevermind his 7 points (4 of those being goals) in 9 games in the playoffs and his 8 point/3 game streak in the midst of having 27 points in 33 games all the while have a career season in points per game. Let's ignore the reality and demand a trade for Filppula.


Will you please stop accosting people with facts and instead simply allow them to make mindless allegations backed by neither evidence nor reason?


#1981552 Who should we Keep? Release? Sign?

Posted by puertoricanWingsfan on 09 May 2010 - 12:01 AM

Someone please explain to me HOW Bertuzzi can be considered one of our best players this series. Cuz I don't get it. Constant turnovers, inability to control the puck in the offensive zone, skating as slow as a peewee... Tell me how he's been good?