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#2423376 Dreger: Filppula looking for $5.5m/season over at least 7 years

Posted by Z and D for the C on 29 June 2013 - 03:17 PM

Maybe, but that's rather speculative. Filppula is 29 and has one solid season of production in a larger role. That came on the wing playing with Henrik Zetterberg. I think we can all agree that paying Filppula (again) for "potential" isn't ideal, especially at 5.5 per season.

This is a track record contract and unfortunately Filppula doesn't really have much to show for his demands.


I agree with all of this. I also agree with FlashyG about having Lecavalier for a second line center instead of Filppula (I'd like both, if we have the space). I just think people are giving Filppula way to little credit.

#2422173 Wings looking to trade before using buyouts

Posted by Z and D for the C on 25 June 2013 - 12:16 PM

I'm worried that Holland would trade away valuable, ripe young talent as a result of being "too good" or "loyal" to use buyouts on used up players like Sameulsson and Bertuzzi.

#2421553 Dreger: Filppula looking for $5.5m/season over at least 7 years

Posted by Z and D for the C on 23 June 2013 - 04:13 PM

Holland likely s*** the bed.  Flip was having a poor regular season, and from what I remember, there were indications he'd be asking for a bigger contract.  Teams were overpaying at the deadline, and we should have been all over that.  
I know the Wings were trying to make the playoffs themselves, but in the long term, Filppula should have been shipped.

Keeping Filppula got us within 1 goal of having a serious chance at winning the cup. Hindsight is 20/20, but there is no way to say that Filppula should have been traded unless it was for a star.

#2421191 Dreger: Filppula looking for $5.5m/season over at least 7 years

Posted by Z and D for the C on 21 June 2013 - 10:59 AM

Filppula is not worth $5m, plain and simple. I don't think he's even worth $4m. You say Filppula contributes a lot; I disagree. I think he is far from an impact player, and he's invisible when he isn't producing. He fit best as a third-line center, and he wants to be paid like a first-line center.

So you're just refusing to address any of the arguments I make, and then just rehash what everyone already thinks anyway?

I don't want to pay him even $5m right now either because we can't know what player is going to show up. But if he is scoring 60-70 points, yeah, he's worth $5m. You can't tell me he's not. Filppula was 12th in even strength scoring in 11-12 (ahead of Datsyuk and Zetterberg) despite playing far less at even strength than anyone who scored as much as him at even strength and is one of the better defensive forwards in the league. If you told a GMs a player was going to have those kind of stats next year, he'd get 6 or 7 million. This is why I'd like to see him get a 2 year contract for around what me makes now to see if he can play at that level. If not, sign him for cheap or let him walk.

because he tries to pass the puck on a breakaway.

I'll paypal you $20 right now if you can find a video of one time he was on a breakaway and passed the puck.

And 66 points is a lot of points for someone who literally kills offense.

He failed because he's a worse version of everything we already have

So should our team only be Datsyuk and Zetterberg because everyone else is just a worse version of them (a hockey player)?

#2421150 Dreger: Filppula looking for $5.5m/season over at least 7 years

Posted by Z and D for the C on 21 June 2013 - 12:54 AM

Sorry, are we talking about Filppula here? You know, the guy who has only averaged more than .5ppg once in his career, who is prone to brutal fits of inconsistency, who lacks any sort of physicality, who is invisible when he isn't scoring, and who, in general, has simply not panned out as the player he was expected to be? On no planet does Filppula's play merit a salary of $5m. And he is by absolutely no means one of the best players on the team.

We have to be watching different games. Apart from Pav or Z, who is better than Flip on forward? Cleary got points this playoffs a lot from pucks bouncing off him and Franzen is a lazy POS who only scores goals when other players get him a spectacular scoring chance. Fil has tons more skill than Cleary and tons more work ethic than Franzen. He is an incredible puck possession player, usually wins battles along the boards with his finesse and is excellent (maybe best on the team) at skating the puck through the neutral zone and setting up in the offensive zone. Not to mention always back checking and being great on defense. You can't say anything of these things about Cleary or Franzen.

If you rate players but outcome versus expectation (which is what you;re doing), yeah, he's not going to be near the top. But if you rate players on what they actually do, he's the best forward on the team not named Zetterberg or Datsyuk.

It's just like Hossa's playoff run with us. The way people talked about it you would think he had 3 points in 30 games, when in reality he was still one of our top scorers, he just didn't play as well as we thought he would. That doesn't mean he sucks.

And just for the record, I don't think we should give him over $4m long term at least until he can prove that he is the 70 points Filppula, not the 40 point Filppula. I'm just saying he's a better overall player than both Franzen and Cleary.

#2417949 Puck Over Glass

Posted by Z and D for the C on 05 June 2013 - 06:14 PM

It's still easier to flip the puck over the glass than ice it. Look at penalty killing. Can a team always ice it as easily as flipping the puck of the ice? No, they can't.

The rule is there to prevent it from happening. Make it just an icing and it will happen all the time.

#2416979 Holland on The Huge Show.

Posted by Z and D for the C on 02 June 2013 - 12:40 AM

Why keep Flip again? Am I.missing something?

Ask the 30 GMs who would die for Filppula to play on their team for the right price. Great skater, great puck control, great battler, hustles his ass off every shift, great two-way play, great at faceoffs and big offensive potential.

We've all seen what Filppula can do and how much he can score. If we can see the 60-70 point Filppula again, isn't it worth giving him a short contract to try and prove himself again? I feel like that is reasonable. Someone tell me if I'm wrong.

Andersson, Brunner, and Nyquist need to stay as 3rd line

Helm should center the third line (hoping that he returns, I think he will) and Brunner should get a top 6 spot.

#2416056 Franzen Buyout?

Posted by Z and D for the C on 30 May 2013 - 09:21 AM

He isn't consistent, but he still contributes.

Funny, you can say this exact same thing about Filppula.

What the hell does Franzen do that Filppula doesn't? They both have the exact same amount of points, except Franzen played way more minutes, Filppula was way better on faceoffs, took less penalties, was better defensively, skated harder, battled better, scored at even strength, actually tried to contribute. But for you, Filppula is a momentum killer who needs to go while Franzen needs to stay. (Oh, and Filppula does this at almost a million less a year too)

Sorry dude, but any hope you had of giving objective commentary is gone.

Buy out our top goal scorer who has a cap hit under 4 million?   It worries me that 26 people have voted "yes".  What are you thinking?  The Wings aren't going to find a 25-30 goal scorer for any less than $3.9 on the market. 
Buy out Sammy

I'd rather have a 25-30 goals scorer who actually works for 5 million than Franzen, who scored that many goals because other people worked to get a great chance for him for 3.9 million.

Plus, lets not forget about the benefit recapture penalty. Either he plays 7 more years (which god knows I don't want) or we have a huge cap hit for a few years for nothing.

#2415726 WCSF Game 7 GDT: Red Wings 1 at Blackhawks 2 OT (CHI wins series, 4-3)

Posted by Z and D for the C on 29 May 2013 - 10:25 PM

You are to Filppula what Eva is to Hudler.

Please. Read my posts in the Fil thread. I may be a Flip slappy, but I recognize he wasn't nearly as good as he should have, could have, or needed to be this season. Just because I defend him when people say stupid things like he was absolute s*** or we lost nothing without him, doesn't mean I think he is god's gift to hockey, like Eva thinks of Hudler.

#2415715 # 51 JOKE

Posted by Z and D for the C on 29 May 2013 - 10:23 PM

^ I could see him getting a short deal for a modest raise to see if this season or last season was the fluke.

To all the doofuses who think that we didn't lose anything with Flip getting injured, he was the difference in game 7 against Anahiem and he could have easily been the difference in this game. If it wasn't for that jackass Shaw, we could be celebrating right now. Flip was far from consistent and far from great, but he made some key contributions, and that can't be denied.

#2415646 WCSF Game 7 GDT: Red Wings 1 at Blackhawks 2 OT (CHI wins series, 4-3)

Posted by Z and D for the C on 29 May 2013 - 10:11 PM

I blame Filppula for being completely invisible for this game.

Game 7 records this season:
With Filppula: 1-0
W/o Filppula: 0-1

#2415235 WCSF Game 7 GDT: Red Wings 1 at Blackhawks 2 OT (CHI wins series, 4-3)

Posted by Z and D for the C on 29 May 2013 - 08:54 PM

Well, unless a very different Wings team from the first period arI'm not sure that losing Flip hurt all that much.

He may not have been scoring much, but at least he's great at skating through the neutral zone, entering the zone (without just dumping in the puck) and setting up some offense and battling on the boards. We have ZERO of that going on, so having Flip would be a huge help in that regard. At least we'd be getting some offensive possession.

Saying we're not missing anything without Flip is just stupid.

#2415087 WCSF Game 7 GDT: Red Wings 1 at Blackhawks 2 OT (CHI wins series, 4-3)

Posted by Z and D for the C on 29 May 2013 - 08:23 PM

He was.  He was more pissed about the benches being side by side than anything else though.  That's all he went on his rant about, nothing about the filpulla play really, only that it happened, and it shouldn't because the benches shouldnt be side by side.

Run with me here, guys. Maybe there should be people on the ice, who, like, aren't players (if that makes any sense?), but "referee" (not sure if I'm using the word correctly here) the players to make sure this s*** doesn't happen between the players? Maybe some sort of consequence can be given to players who act in, I don't know, an unsportsman-like manner?

They should do that.

#2415049 WCSF Game 7 GDT: Red Wings 1 at Blackhawks 2 OT (CHI wins series, 4-3)

Posted by Z and D for the C on 29 May 2013 - 08:17 PM

Oh. My. God.  Just go play outside or something.  It's 2 minutes into the second period, one goal is scored and you're calling it a day.  Why do you bother?

Also the fact that they've dominated the entire game. When was the last time we had possession of the puck in their zone for more than 3 seconds?

#2410775 WCSF Game 4 GDT- Blackhawks 0 @ Red Wings 2 - (DET leads series 3-1)

Posted by Z and D for the C on 24 May 2013 - 01:08 AM

Anyone else feel like eliminating Chicago would be just as sweet as winning the cup?

Why not both? :)