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In Topic: Datsyuk or Fedorov?

02 September 2014 - 12:20 PM

I'm just old enough to have watched both players for the entirety of their careers (probably missed some of the really early Fedorov stuff).  I think Fedorov was a special athlete, while Datsyuk is a special intellect/talent.  But as differently as I think about those two guys, the end result for both of them was an immensely productive player who happened to be one of the best defensive players in the game - but maybe could have put up even higher offensive numbers if they treated the game the way an Ovechkin or Gaborik does.  


In terms of Hall credentials, I think the two of them may end up being almost equal.  Datsyuk's later years will end up being more productive, which balances out the fact that he wasn't as dynamic at his best as Fedorov was around 94/95.  But it's telling that they could end up with somewhat equal track records, and Fedorov won 3 Cups as an elite player, while Datsyuk won us 1.5 (he was basically a 4th liner on that '02 team), and yet the people on this board would automatically retire #13, but largely take a pass on the #91.

In Topic: Tatar Signs 3 Year Deal $2.75 mill AAV

29 July 2014 - 02:35 PM


Well, he does have a higher playoff PPG than your boy Hossa.   ;)



Also, tell Manny Legace's father in law that we're still waiting for the hanging.  


The Marian Hossa who almost single-handedly blocked us from the '08 Cup for a few games while Sidney Crosby's face was being printed on a milk carton?  


The Marian Hossa who carried Detroit through the 08-09 regular season, and then managed 6 G and 9 A in the '09 Playoffs with his shoulder torn off?  While an also-injured Pavel Datsyuk scored one goal in 16 games in those same '09 Playoffs?  



The "clutch" thing is basically impossible to gauge because even the best NHL scorers aren't going to score a goal in most of the games they play.  Franzen's 13 goals in 16 playoff games in 2008 (and great 2009 performance) are what got him paid.  Still, anyone who's watched him mope around the ice for long stretches at a time would laugh if you called him clutch.


Tatar is a good offensive hockey player.  I can't say we're a perennial threat in the playoffs 3 years from now if Nyquist and Tatar are our two best players.  Mantha and Nyquist, maybe.  But I still view Tatar as a bit of a lottery ticket, and not that expensive of one at 2.75 milion AAV

In Topic: Tatar Signs 3 Year Deal $2.75 mill AAV

28 July 2014 - 01:49 PM

Think about how this compares to Damien Brunner - Brunner was a horribly one-dimensional player with little NHL track record but already in his mid-20's, and there were those that pissed (at the time) that the Wings wouldn't go to 2.5 or 3 million per on a 2 or 3-yr deal.  


Tatar posted a 19-goal season in really his first full season (on a team decimated by injuries and surrounded by other young players).  To get him on a 3-year evaluation period AND he's still an RFA at the end of the deal is terrific.  It benefits Tatar, too, but it's a good signing for the organization, nonetheless.


UPDATE: And I see that it's $2.75 per now.  You can see from my posts that I was preparing the mob for this :)  I think it's perfectly valued.  Maybe he's worth just shy of $2 million now, but if he progresses at all, he's easily a $4 million player in year 3.  And if he doesn't pan out, qualify him conservatively or cut him loose.

In Topic: Tatar Signs 3 Year Deal $2.75 mill AAV

28 July 2014 - 01:35 PM

It may only be retaining a player we certainly should have retained, but this is still very good news.  It's easy to forget the time when Tatar was buried in GR and getting frustrated.  He's a talented young scorer that we have locked up for 3 years of what will be his peak physical ability.  And if he becomes a perennial 25 or possibly 30-goal scorer, he'll be worth well in excess of $3 million per year by the end of this deal, so I won't lose too much sleep over whether or not this feels like an "overpay" when the cap hit comes out.

In Topic: Wings stuff on clearance at Dick's

28 July 2014 - 12:49 PM

Wish I could go to the local stores and pick up bargain items.  It always freaks me out when I'm in Meijer's and there is Wings stuff all over the place.  You know, since I'm not usually in MI.


Amen.  If I really want to buy official Wings stuff, some sporting good stores will have it or you can go online (but you'll pay full price).  What sucks about being an out-of-market fan is that the Meijer or even grocery stores tend to carry shirts and other decently priced items that you obviously won't find out-of-state.  And I'm weird about Wings gear because the red and white colors can be hard to make look good - they can get pretty "loud" or amateur looking if done wrong.