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#2431789 Pierre McGuire's past that NBC doesn't want you to know about

Posted by StormJH1 on 29 July 2013 - 11:49 AM

I read this and was stunned and entertained by it.  I honestly had no recollection/knowledge that he was a former coach.  I'm 31, and my hockey interest kicked in during the mid-90's, but I certainly didn't follow much outside the Red Wings until later in the decade.  And with no real internet coverage, that was mostly whatever The Deuce (ESPN2) was showing.


If you really look at NBC's lineup, it's just littered with guys that have been more or less discareded by the game of hockey.  Compare that to the NFL, where the same network employs legendary, accomplished coaches like Cowher and Dungy.  Milbury's one of the worst GM's in NHL history.  Pierre was a pompous brat and a terrible coach.  Roenick betrayed his own union and the fans after the 2004 lockout.  And Eddie Olczyk is f$%&ing Eddie Olczyk!

#2431398 Red Wings popularity in Detroit/Michigan

Posted by StormJH1 on 24 July 2013 - 12:24 PM

This thread is full of s***.  Everytime I come to this site all you guys do is talk about Red Wings this, Red Wings that.  Hockey must be pretty f'ing popular.  Nobody talks about how Angelina Jolie is too skinny, how Oprah is too fat, just hockey, hockey, hockey.  LOL.


Here in columbus, my friends think it's odd that where I grew up in MI every driveway had a goalie net in it like the driveways here have basketball nets.  Our Gordie is their Archie.  Strange since we are so close to eachother.  Like a previous poster stated outside of MI and Min hockey is down the chain.

I think he was joking, but it's obvious selection bias to come to an internet forum for discussion of a particular NHL team and remark how popular hockey seems to be around these parts...


There IS a problem of waning popularity with the Red Wings in metro Detroit, however.  In the late 90's (when it was a very special time to be Red Wings fan), we could look to cities like Boston, Pittsburgh, Chicago, etc. and it was easy to feel like we were "Hockeytown".  Those cities have excellent fanbases now.


It will be interesting if moving to the East has any impact on the appeal of the team.  Detroit was already a fixture with the national media, but will be moreso now that we'll play and compete for position with the likes of NYR, TOR, MTL, BOS, etc.


The mid-2000's, unlike the 90's, had us playing a huge chunk of games against recent expansion teams in crappy markets, namely Nashville and Columbus.  Who was our biggest "rival" in the 2000's....the Ducks?  You could argue it the Hawks later, but they didn't get the upper hand on us until the decade was over.  The Penguins "rivalry" only applied to two consecutive finals.


Think about East Coast markets that have flourished recently, and all of them have several huge rivalries that seem to matter even when one or both of the teams aren't that great (PHI/PIT, NYR/NJ, NYR/WAS, PIT/WAS, MTL/TOR, etc.)  Detroit had nothing like that dating back to Colorado, and I think that really hurt the interest.

#2431285 Devils sign Jagr (1 yr deal, financial terms not yet disclosed)

Posted by StormJH1 on 23 July 2013 - 02:39 PM

Honestly, I think I'd rather have Jagr than Alfie, given their respective deals.

Unless Alfie looks considerably older than he did even last season, I don't consider them too comparable.  I understand your point, which is both of them are declined stars and Alfie is paid a fair bit more.  But Jagr did basically nothing in the Playoffs.  Part of that was a poor fit with Boston, which is a north/south team, but most of it is age.


The Wings don't have room for any more forwards and there wasn't really a veteran defender that we reasonably could have afforded that I would have wanted, with or without Alfie's contract.  I know a lot of people weren't high on the Alfredsson deal, but there's every reason to think he'll "fit" on this team, and it's only one year.

#2430305 Datsyuk Interview

Posted by StormJH1 on 16 July 2013 - 10:44 AM

I saw a bit of hype on Twitter for a pending Pavel Datsyuk interview - kind of like the giddy excitement leading up to "Sharknado" last week :)


Pavel Datsyuk is one of most uniquely intriguing athletes I can remember ever following closely.  Maybe the whole point is that nobody actually is able to follow him closely.  I certainly don't think of him the same way you would think generally about other "Russian players".  Even the other Russians, many of which do not like each other, seem to revere him like some sort of deity. 


Also, that was a pretty awesomely subtle joke about being behind his Twitter handle, and also the handle of his bicycle and car.  I think he actually speaks English better than I do, and is just playing it down as part of his master plan.


Also interesting when he was asked about Sochi and didn't even offer an opinion on it one way or the other.  When they ask Ovechkin that question, he almost forgets that he's under contract with the Capitals for about 5 minutes.

#2429073 Wings sign Alfredsson to 1-year, $3.5m deal (+$2m bonuses)

Posted by StormJH1 on 09 July 2013 - 03:25 PM

A lot of non-Detroit fans I talked to kind of snickered at the Alfredsson signing, and that's confusing to me.  To me, the guy is ageless like Selanne.  He won't have quite the scoring impact that Selanne has had in his 40's, but he has leadership qualities and experience that will mean a ton to this locker room.  You think the players on this team (especially the Swedes) will ever quit knowing that there's a living legend on their team who came here for basically one final crack at a Stanley Cup.  It may not work, but what's not to like? 


This is the type of move that almost seems matter-of-fact in the offseason (because he's old and it's short-term), but when October rolls around, I know I'll be having that "holy crap, Daniel Alfredsson plays for the Red Wings" moment.  It's gonna be awesome to have him in that sweater.

#2428770 Brunner Contract Talks

Posted by StormJH1 on 08 July 2013 - 11:21 AM

Whoa there, big guy. "Swiss crap?" Lolwhut? And I'm one of the biggest Fedorov apologists on here, along with a s*** ton of other people. This comment comes across as straight trolling, Axe. You're better than that. You may be crazy sometimes, but don't sink to troll level please.


Yeah, woah.  I'm with THIS comment, not the one he quote that completely slammed Brunner.  Brunner was like a $5 lottery ticket that paid our $250, and people have the nerve to curse their luck that they didn't win the $1 million jackpot.  He was paid virtually nothing last year, and yet people act like they were "ripped off" by him.  I don't get it.  Even if you factor in all the slumps and the defensive gaffes, that's probably a $2.5 to $3.5 million player there.  And he would have GOT that too if the Wings had been able to compliance buyout Sammy, or weren't still saddled with Tootoo's $1.9 AAV.  Brunner isn't a "kid", he's in his late 20's and has had almost a decade of professional hockey experience.  It's possible he's being unreasonable, but I don't blame him for wanting to get paid given that he probably expects to be a 25 to 30 goal scorer next year, and he may be right.


As for Fedorov, the point is well-taken (if not the anti-Brunner rhetoric).  Yzerman could barely get this team into the Playoffs for years until Fedorov (and Lidstrom) became Red Wings.  I'm in the even smaller camp of "2009 Hossa apologists", so I guess the pattern with me is that if you play hard as a Red Wing and aren't a total jerk about how you left, I don't carry the hate.

#2424338 First Murph, now this!

Posted by StormJH1 on 01 July 2013 - 05:21 AM

The Fox Sports Girls thing is stupid.  When they rolled it out, I had to check to make sure it was 2011 instead of 1961. 


Here in Minnesota, one of the original "Girls" (Jenny) has kind of evolved into a deeper role, where she does some hosting and interviewing with players.  They even credit her last name on the broadcast (wow!).  Good-looking woman, and she was a former hockey player in high school, so she does skating drills, etc. after the games.


Overall though, the promos are ridiculous.  If I was a legitimate female broadcaster/sideline reporter with FS, I'd probably throw up in my mouth a little every time one of those commercials airs.

#2423114 Letang Turns Down 8x$7m

Posted by StormJH1 on 28 June 2013 - 01:30 PM

Good God, they really offered him that much?  Letang has "Brian Campbell" written all over him (remember that Blackhawk's contract?).  Or maybe "Sergei Gonchar", for a more familiar, Pens-centric reference.


Top-level offensive performance from defenseman really is a fleeting thing in the NHL.  It's as much a product of your system as it is the skill of the defenseman, and it can be gone in a heartbeat.  Just look at Jay Bouwmeester, or any number of Florida or Nashville defensemen (Andy Delmore?) that were 20 goal scorers once and never again.  True shut down defenders are rare, but that is a commodity that carries over from year to year. 


Yes, Letang is a skilled powerplay weapon, but he also plays with Crosby and Malkin.  Even more than the money, I really wouldn't want Letang on my team if you had to pay him and play him as a #1 defenseman.  He's been involved in way too many 5-4 games where the defense was a complete mess, and that could never have happened as consistently as it did if he were an elite defender along the likes of Chara, Keith, Weber, etc. 

#2423112 Dreger: Filppula looking for $5.5m/season over at least 7 years

Posted by StormJH1 on 28 June 2013 - 01:22 PM


Goodbye Valteri Filppagreedy


If you're an impending UFA and look around at the type of money paid to other guys that you know you're better than, I don't know how you can consider it greed.  Players around Flip's age have to lock down that one big deal to make the bulk of the money they'll make in their lifetime.  Logic and reason tell you that with the cap going down, players like Filppula can't be paid $5.5 mil per year, but experience tells you that somebody will pay that, or close to it.  Crap, teams like Phoenix, Columbus, etc. need to hand out a bad contract or two just to stay over the salary floor!


Have you ever left a job voluntarily that you weren't fired from?  I suspect most people have (or have considered it), and some people consider doing it on almost an annual basis.  Did you feel like a greedy traitor knowing that somebody else had to take over your work and clean your mess up so you could go earn a little more money somewhere else?

#2423108 Blackhawks Letter of Appreciation

Posted by StormJH1 on 28 June 2013 - 01:18 PM

Chicago's players and (much of) their fanbase may be classless individuals, but that is different than the front office.  This was an excellent gesture by them at a time when they didn't have to do anything at all.  I doubt the Arizona Diamondbacks did anything like this when they delivered an analogous kick to the stomach to the Yankees in 2001.


The Hawks organization is leaps and bounds from where they were 10 years ago, and that's good for the game.  For all the damage of the lockout(s), terrible TV contracts, etc., don't you look at the health of the teams and fanbases in MAJOR U.S. cities (LA, Chicago, NY, Philadelphia) that weren't always in a great position, and feel pretty good about the league?

#2423106 Cap Recapture Calculator

Posted by StormJH1 on 28 June 2013 - 01:12 PM

As big of an opponent as I was against backdiving deals and other 2005 CBA "cheats" and "workarounds", I still think this is massively unfair to teams that signed these deals, all of which were within the rules of the existing CBA and were approved by the league (except for Kovalchuk's first deal).


Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the effect of the recapture penalty to punish NHL front offices for taking advantage of the way cap hits are determined in the first place?  Duncan Keith and Marian Hossa will both make just shy of $8 million next year, but the salary cap treats them as if they were making $5 million.  To retroactively put into place a rule that punishes previously legal conduct makes no sense to me.  I have no problem with recapture penalties going forward (or other rules limiting year-to-year variance on salaries), but that's because teams are now under notice of the rules going forward.


Yes, I understand that the two compliance buyouts were granted to give teams an "out" for that, but that isn't a real solution either, since it forces you to release that player off your team (you can't re-sign a compliance buyout for one year afterwards).  If Zetterberg has kids in Sweden and wants to play there, or just decides that he wants to retire from the NHL for health or personal reasons, it just seems wrong to me that HE should be the one put in the position of tanking the Red Wings' salary cap situation by walking away from the team.


For the reasons stated by the OP, I kind of thought that Franzen was a borderline candidate for a buyout.  He isn't a player like a Datsyuk or Z that I feel could be productive into his late, late 30's.  His knee problems, physical style, and frame suggest a guy that will have a career arc more like Holmstrom, which means we'll be penalized when he hangs it up.

#2422254 Wings looking to trade before using buyouts

Posted by StormJH1 on 25 June 2013 - 03:41 PM

I knew Tootoo was gone. I've had that feeling for weeks and it's sad to see, but I can't help feeling after all Holland and Babs said about the importance of the role Tootoo plays we won't join the Eastern Conference without finding a suitable replacement.


I personally don't think there's anything wrong with Tootoo. He takes less bad penalties than most players on our team and has reasonable production. There's still hope though, but not much.




Disagree with the "Sad" part, but that's not why I'm posting.  I keep hearing this "we're going to the Eastern Conference and need to get more physical talk" and I don't get it.  Most of the time people cite that argument, they're talking about adding a fourth line banger, a heavyweight goon, or (in the case of Tootoo) retaining a 13th forward.


I don't get the Eastern Conference thing at all.  There is ONE team in the East (Boston) that is head and shoulders more physically imposing than the rest, and that is Boston.  Really, when you say Boston, you mean Chara and Lucic.  The skill guys on that team are mostly regular-sized dudes.  And Chicago just beat them in 6, and we damn near beat Chicago.  You could look teams like LA and find as many (or more) skilled large body forwards, and they're a Western team.


But even if it is true that the East is this totally different style of hockey and we're likely to get bounced all over the rink, you aren't going to change that fact about the Red Wings by adding and subtracting a few role players in free agency.  You'd literally have to re-make the entire core of the team, plus throw out all of the elements of Detroit's discipline and emphasis on skill and puck possession that frustrate other physical teams into dumb penalties.


I'm a fan of physical players with skill.  For example, if you added David Clarkson (or maybe even Bryan Bickell) to a forward corps that also has Franzen and Abdelkader, that's actually a decent number of skilled big bodies.  But this Red Wings team is pretty darn good the way it is, and you can't just reinvent it into something else overnight.  Nor would I want to.

#2421235 Talking Tootoo

Posted by StormJH1 on 21 June 2013 - 04:06 PM

Youre kidding right? An agitator who happened to be voted the second hardest hitter by the actual NHL players doesnt make the team tougher to play against? Having a willing and high end middle weight fighter in the line up in case hes needed doesnt make the team tougher? Youre full of it. Tootoo must get noticed by other teams players if the players vote him the second hardest hitter in the league, you dont think some dmen voted in that and having him bearing down on them leaves them a little more uncomfortable back there?


Cant wait for tougher players to start making it to the wings since theyve bee drafting this way lately. It will really clear out a lot of the band wagon fans who jumped on for the flashy european style of play. The wings arent good enough for that to work anymore, and it wasnt all that effective this year. Theres a shift coming so get used to it, its not like the wings were forced to sign Tootoo. Management decided it was in the best interests of the team for the direction theyre heading

So I take it, then, that you must think Mike Babcock is a terrible head coach right now, right?  After all, Babcock scratched Tootoo every game of the Chicago series, and we fell one overtime goal short of knocking off the best team in the NHL up to that point.  If only Jordin Tootoo had been there, with his considerable skill, and spirit-crushing behind-the-play body checks.


You are possibly the first person I have ever heard say that the Wings have bandwagon fans who are only here for that European style of play.  You're probably right.  It's only the hardest of hardcore fans that can appreciate things like Fight Night at the Joe, or good Canadian boys like Yzerman and Shanahan winning multiple Stanley Cups.  Yep, attendance and fan interest definitely spiked as this team became more European and less inclined to fight.


I think Opie's comment above this one is a good, measured analysis of Tootoo.  Even if you happen to like elements of what Tootoo does, you can't focus narrowly on that without acknowledging what Tootoo doesn't do.  He can't kill penalties, he's not affordable relative to his contribution, and he can't contribute any meaningful offense.  Anyone happen to see Akim Aliu's 5-game stint with Calgary this year? (14 PIM).  You can pay some AHL'er $700k to start jumping into checks and trying to murder people all over the ice.  That isn't really a "specialized" commodity the Wings needed to pay for.

#2421070 Dreger: Filppula looking for $5.5m/season over at least 7 years

Posted by StormJH1 on 20 June 2013 - 02:44 PM

5.5, 7-8 years, no thanks he had ONE season worth that. Where does he get off trying to bully the organization that picked him 95th overall and took the time and money to develop him into a top 6 player? He should be content with signing a 1-2 year deal with the wings for 3.5-4 million and prove himself then.


We would agree that $5.5 mil AAV is too much for Filppula, but in terms of Filppula's right to be a free agent or demand whatever he wants, I think you're off-base. 


You're saying Filppula owes it to the Wings to accept whatever low-ball offer we throw his way?  That a player in the prime of his career needs to "prove" himself by taking one-year deals until he either (a) Has an outlier season where he blows up and then gets overpaid; or (b) Gets his head run into the boards and sees a serious diminution in his value and future earning potential?


Um, no.  If I'm Filppula and another team offers me $10 million more (over the life of a multi-year deal) AND a higher profile role on the top lines and PP unit...and all I have to do is live somewhere else and wear a different color sweater?  Yeah, I would at least consider that.  Filppula is no longer the "property" of the Detroit Red Wings come July 5th - there was nothing stopping his from extending him previously if Holland wanted to lock him up on a multi-year deal.

#2421031 Ilitch reveals plan for new $450m, 18,000-seat Red Wings arena

Posted by StormJH1 on 20 June 2013 - 12:20 PM

I have such mixed feelings about this.  I think that any rational citizen looking at this objectively would agree you shouldn't have publicly funded stadiums for billionaires, and a city as economically depressed as Detroit shouldn't have built THREE new stadiums in the span of 15 years.  There is no appreciable economic benefit to building a stadium, particularly where there was already a stadium in that area.  Studies have been done, and there just isn't any evidence to back it up.


All that being said, people who like the Red Wings (myself included) convince ourselves that we don't care.  Or, to look at another way, we DO care about the Red Wings more than we care about a museum renovation, lowering a budget deficit, or the $12 million diverted from education funds (my number/sources may be inaccurate, but you get the point). 


And as an out-of-state Red Wings fan, I actually felt guilty that I was happy about the new arena because it benefits me as a fan (though not one that gets back to many live games) without having having to pay the bill in the city I grew up around. 


I guess here's the thing with Detroit that keeps coming up: If not now, when?  If your argument against any new development or construction is always "wait till things get better?", has that wish ever really come true since, what, the '67 Riots?  You could argue there are certain way the city has gotten better since the 90's, but what they really mean is that city has done a better job becoming a Chuck E' Cheese's for adult suburbanites (casinos, Comerica, Ford Field, etc.).  JLA is old and would need to be replaced sooner or later, even if there wasn't an immediate threat (like an owner thinking about selling the team or moving it somewhere else).


Sorry, just rambling out loud.  I get frustrated when I go back home, see the busted out windows and 28% unemployment, and then have my family tell me how nice downtown is because there's a skating rink at Campus Martius now.  Most of my family has never moved more than 10 miles in their lifetime, and they don't know that it doesn't have to be like that.  Go Red Wings.