I think the Wings will be fine in the East. I dislike that they have an additional team in the East compared to the West but as far as toughness is concerned it will not be a problem. The Wings matched up against the more physical teams over the years and typically out skilled them after they took stupid penalties against them. Besides the a central division had teams like the Blues, Predators and BJ's that wanted to kill the Wings but we still dominated them over the years.
Some of you guys need to sack up and stop being sooooo scared!
God no I don't want that contract. If we're going to take on that kind of money get me Gaborik to play with Dats. Yandle at 5 million is a MUCH better option than Bouwmeester at 6.8 and I'd gladly part with Mrazek for the latter.
Yandle, IMO is exactly what the team doesn't need. A one dimensional dman who is not very good in his own zone. J-Bo can play well at both ends of the ice, and has stepped up his game this year. I think he would be a great fit with the Wings. And his cap hit is just for one season. Everyone acts as if it is a cap hit the team would be stuck with forever. I don't get it.
He has size, can QB a powerplay, can move the puck well, and play well in his own zone. I don't understand how Yandle at just 1.8 mil less can be seen as a much better option. Yandle isn't even the best dman on his team.
Posted by Nightfall
on 19 February 2013 - 10:25 AM
While I tend to believe Howard is better than average, I do agree with this statement. I hope I am wrong because Howard is here to stay and will probably get a $5M+ contract this summer as Holland loves to overpay for mid-level talent...as shown by some of the contracts he has handed out...when it comes to Elite players, he tends to underpay...although kudos for the pursuit of the Olsen Twins...but I honestly see him giving Jimmy a way overpayment for what he has earned...which is nothing. Hell even Cheveldae won 112 games in his 5 years in Detroit...Legace won 108 in 6 years...Howard is at 115 in 5 years, all with no Cups won (outside of Legace's as a backup.)
Do I think Howard is better than Cheveldae or Legace, yes, but he is not elite...but who is anymore?
I think its kinda funny how people for years said that Osgood was average, but he won 3 cups with Detroit and over 400 wins in his career which is #10 all time. Mike Vernon, who many consider to be the holy grail of goaltenders in Detroit because he led them to a cup win in 97 was #12 on the all time wins list. Jimmy is winning half of his games, and if he continues to do so, he will eclipse the 400 win plateau easily.
Right now, we don't know how much Howie is going to resign for. It must be nice to be able to tell the future and pull a number out of your ass, but in the end, that number just comes straight from your ass.
Oh, and a cup win is a cup win. Its not like Legace did nothing that season, so don't cherry pick your stats.
There are going to be detractors and cheerleaders for Howard, thats for sure. Any intelligent hockey fan is going to be able to point out two simple truths.
1. Howard, just like any goalie, is only going to be as good as the team he plays in front of. This is a team game. How many playoff runs did Roberto Luongo lead the Florida Panthers to? Zero. Yet, I believe Luongo is a great goalie. Look at any elite goalie who has won a cup or multiple cups as well. If the team is horrible in front of them, they aren't going to make any headway. A goalie isn't going to win a cup on his own.
2. How well the team is playing is tied to how the goalie does. Right now, the Red Wings are banged up and are in serious trouble. The last thing we should be doing is blaming Howard and calling him out for being average. Is Jonathan Quick average or are the Kings playing horrible hockey in front of him? Hell, this was the same team that won the cup last year. Right now, Chicago and Anaheim are playing great, and their goalies are the beneficiaries of that great play. It wouldn't matter if the Wings had Patrick Roy in his prime playing right now. The Wings would not have won more games this season with Roy in his prime than with Jimmy.
The sooner that people realize that Howard is just a piece of the puzzle, and not the entire puzzle, then we will be much better off.
Seems more like, too much beating of dead horses, IMO.
What part of, "we weren't interested", is so hard to comprehend? I'm thinking the Red Wings organization, has a whole lot more insight into why Semin would not be of benefit to the team than a bunch of armchair GM's. Oh, that's right, LGW has lead the team to the playoffs for 21 straight years, and brought us all the spoils of a successfully run sports team, and business. They, had nothing to do with any of that.
For comparison, ask Montreal, The Islanders, or Edmonton, how their "dynasties" are doing. Yeah, you can't win every year, and that has only been magnified by the cap era.
Alright, you can continue crying that Santa didn't bring you the new Nintendo that you wanted.
You should be able to get Bo for the likes of Kindl, Mursak (or Emmerton or Miller) and a pick... Calgary wants to unload him, and the cap relief is part of the deal... That's part of the reason he's so intriguing to me, low cost...
Jakub Kindl Cory Emmerton Pick
Sign Jim Vandermeer, and the defense looks like this:
I have faith in the Wings, just not Holland. But thanks for paying attention.
I've been pretty cheesed at Holland a few times in the past few years, but i'm trying to look at the positives this offseason.
- We finally get to see more than 1 prospect, and not just on the 4th line playing 3 mins per game - Brunner was the league leader in points in the Swiss League...lame league or not, he led it. - Hudler is gone. - Tootoo hits, fights, has grit. - Smith and Nyquist are both really good. - Sammy gets less points than Hudler (barely) and has a significantly better 2-way game. and EVERY PLAYER HOLLAND DRAFTED THIS YEAR IS 6 FEET OR TALLER! WOO! ...for a change.
I'm actually looking forward to this season and i hope Smith, Nyquist and Brunner tear it up and all top 50 pts. Then there's a real UFA crop next offseason, not just the Thunder Buddies and Semin.
Look, Holland is being smart here. He tried his best to get both Parise and Suter, but in the end they wanted to be close to their families, which Michigan cannot provide. After those two, the free-agent pool drops off considerably. We have money and we have needs, but is it smart to utilize that money in a poor free agent market in attempt to fill your needs with average players, or would it be better to put a bandage on all the wounds for now and wait until next year when more high profile players will be free to sign wherever they like? Trades are always an option too, but when you need someone to replace Lidstrom, or some top-six sniper (in a dry free agent year no less), prices are going to be high. Holland admitted he wants at least another player before he's comfortable with the team, but it's goIng to be a bandage, not a permanent fix to our roster issues. This year can't provide us with a permanent fix. That's just the reality of it. Better luck next year.
Lets give it a rest with the Holland bashing ... he went all in on Parise and Suter. Parise got 3 more points than Filp last year and and now a cap hit of 7.5 mill for the rest of his career. And Ryan Suter despite being a very good player is a somewhat unproven commodity without the leagues biggest/best dman beside him.
Trades dont happen overnight. Theres a plan in place and this "rebuild on the fly" might not come full circle until next off season. Do you think other GMs really want to help out the NHL Gold-standard Red Wings that much to keep our winning tradition alive? Hell no.