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#2322515 Semin signs one year, $7m deal with Carolina

Posted by BigWillieStyle on 27 July 2012 - 03:09 PM

Too many high horses around here, if anything.


Seems more like, too much beating of dead horses, IMO.

What part of, "we weren't interested", is so hard to comprehend? I'm thinking the Red Wings organization, has a whole lot more insight into why Semin would not be of benefit to the team than a bunch of armchair GM's. Oh, that's right, LGW has lead the team to the playoffs for 21 straight years, and brought us all the spoils of a successfully run sports team, and business. They, had nothing to do with any of that.

For comparison, ask Montreal, The Islanders, or Edmonton, how their "dynasties" are doing. Yeah, you can't win every year, and that has only been magnified by the cap era.

Alright, you can continue crying that Santa didn't bring you the new Nintendo that you wanted.


#2321617 Bouwmeester opinions? Potential trades? *merged*

Posted by Bring Back The Bruise Bros on 24 July 2012 - 06:43 PM

You should be able to get Bo for the likes of Kindl, Mursak (or Emmerton or Miller) and a pick... Calgary wants to unload him, and the cap relief is part of the deal... That's part of the reason he's so intriguing to me, low cost...

To Detroit:

Jay Bouwmeester

To Calgary:

Jakub Kindl
Cory Emmerton
Pick

Sign Jim Vandermeer, and the defense looks like this:

Kronwall-Bouwmeester
Quincey-White
Ericsson-B.Smith
Vandermeer

I can dig it.




#2320039 Flyers sign Weber to offer sheet: 14y/$110m ($56m 1st 4yrs)

Posted by Crymson on 19 July 2012 - 12:06 AM

Well, let the whining begin.


#2319638 Red Wings make "helluva" offer for Nash, no response

Posted by stevkrause on 17 July 2012 - 10:08 PM

http://www.mlive.com...itch_for_r.html

Can we please put this to bed now? Also, those myopic posts about Holland not doing his job... Yea, you can't dance if you don't have a partner, no matter how much you try...


#2318864 The Next Move

Posted by Z Winged Dangler on 13 July 2012 - 07:34 AM

I have faith in the Wings, just not Holland. But thanks for paying attention.

esteef

I've been pretty cheesed at Holland a few times in the past few years, but i'm trying to look at the positives this offseason.

- We finally get to see more than 1 prospect, and not just on the 4th line playing 3 mins per game
- Brunner was the league leader in points in the Swiss League...lame league or not, he led it.
- Hudler is gone.
- Tootoo hits, fights, has grit.
- Smith and Nyquist are both really good.
- Sammy gets less points than Hudler (barely) and has a significantly better 2-way game.
and
EVERY PLAYER HOLLAND DRAFTED THIS YEAR IS 6 FEET OR TALLER! WOO! :dance: ...for a change.

I'm actually looking forward to this season and i hope Smith, Nyquist and Brunner tear it up and all top 50 pts. Then there's a real UFA crop next offseason, not just the Thunder Buddies and Semin.


#2318530 Holland Content with Current Roster

Posted by stevkrause on 12 July 2012 - 09:33 AM

Look, Holland is being smart here. He tried his best to get both Parise and Suter, but in the end they wanted to be close to their families, which Michigan cannot provide. After those two, the free-agent pool drops off considerably. We have money and we have needs, but is it smart to utilize that money in a poor free agent market in attempt to fill your needs with average players, or would it be better to put a bandage on all the wounds for now and wait until next year when more high profile players will be free to sign wherever they like? Trades are always an option too, but when you need someone to replace Lidstrom, or some top-six sniper (in a dry free agent year no less), prices are going to be high. Holland admitted he wants at least another player before he's comfortable with the team, but it's goIng to be a bandage, not a permanent fix to our roster issues. This year can't provide us with a permanent fix. That's just the reality of it. Better luck next year.

exactly. :clap:


#2318525 Holland Content with Current Roster

Posted by jroc86 on 12 July 2012 - 09:28 AM

Lets give it a rest with the Holland bashing ... he went all in on Parise and Suter. Parise got 3 more points than Filp last year and and now a cap hit of 7.5 mill for the rest of his career. And Ryan Suter despite being a very good player is a somewhat unproven commodity without the leagues biggest/best dman beside him.

Trades dont happen overnight. Theres a plan in place and this "rebuild on the fly" might not come full circle until next off season. Do you think other GMs really want to help out the NHL Gold-standard Red Wings that much to keep our winning tradition alive? Hell no.


#2318523 Holland Content with Current Roster

Posted by Doc Holliday on 12 July 2012 - 09:26 AM

ShanahanMan is right. Holland should instead talk about how the team is horrible and that they won't be able to compete for anything.


#2318452 The Next Move

Posted by Crymson on 12 July 2012 - 04:31 AM

Oh look, someone who knows nothing about our team declaring we're all good. And the Holland poodles are doing flips. What joy!

esteef


It's sad (for you) that a fan of another team has more faith in the Wings than you do.


#2318511 Smith Leads Charge

Posted by Johnz96 on 12 July 2012 - 08:58 AM

True but passes that don't necessarily result in a turnover, are those counted? They still don't connect with the intended target. But whatever, I have no more nits to pick.

Here's a virtual beer to you for hoping that he is the next Lids! I don't care if it is only 10am, it's 5 o'clock somewhere. :tounge:

I don't think he will be the next Lids but i do think he will be a great hockey player


#2318510 Holland Content with Current Roster

Posted by 55fan on 12 July 2012 - 08:58 AM

Sorry, but conceding another hockey season (Babs didn't think his roster last year was going to be able to compete) won't fly in this town. Not signing one of the top 5 talents in the league because "we don't like what we hear about him" is ok if your team already has a sniper or two. Well, we don't.

I understand being smart with your money, but when you straight up DON'T SPEND money you have, you are more or less throwing it away. We had $5 million in cap space last year that we didn't spend. Essentially, the Detroit Red Wings cap sat $5 million lower than the NHL cap. That makes no sense to me....

I have to disagree. Not spending if you can't get your money's worth is a good thing.

I may have credit approved for $5000 but if I can get what I need for $3000, I'll do that and save the remainder.

Is Semin worth what he will eventually go for? Or is it a matter of waiting until he "goes on sale" due to lack of interest and ends up signing at a lower price? Or does he have problems that make him worth less than his asking price?

As far as dmen go, who is there that could replace Lidstrom? No one. We will have to settle for filling his place in the lineup. This won't happen with any free agents. We'll need to trade or wait a year and get someone better.

If anyone has a player who is that good, I have serious doubts that he will be on the trading block unless he's seriously overpaid, has health issues, or is a problem in the locker room.

We're taking a chance on Tootoo. I'm not sure it woud be wise to bring in Semin and a dman who may have issues as well.

We may add another forward, but I don't see us getting a big-name dman this season. The trade price would be seriously high. If they are trading a dman, they will want serious assets at the forward position, and we're all up in arms about how we need more snipers and have a pelthora of muckers and grinders. Any trade partner with a seriously good dman to trade will not be looking at dime-a-dozen grinders for a trade. At best we'll get a moderate dman for a couple of good forwards, and still need to improve in each category.

I'm not saying that this is the end of the road, I'm just saying it's not the Yellow Brick one.


#2318505 Holland Content with Current Roster

Posted by RedWingsDad on 12 July 2012 - 08:52 AM

That line has been on loop for the last 4 years.....


And yet in the past four years we have made it to the finals, and never missed the playoffs. I believe Holland is thinking long term - by not overpaying in FA he is ensuring he can put a competitive playoff team on the ice year after year. As we seen with LA... adding a key piece at the end of the season (or any number of other factors) can propel a team to the cup... so long as they make the playoffs of course. Yandle / Ryan / Nash are likely too expensive in trade assets - and he's not going to give the farm. We know Holland has made an offer for Nash, and may have for Yandle and Ryan for all we know. Now sure what you want him to do right now, besides overpay in trade assets.


#2318507 Holland Content with Current Roster

Posted by Echolalia on 12 July 2012 - 08:54 AM

Sorry, but conceding another hockey season (Babs didn't think his roster last year was going to be able to compete) won't fly in this town. Not signing one of the top 5 talents in the league because "we don't like what we hear about him" is ok if your team already has a sniper or two. Well, we don't.

I understand being smart with your money, but when you straight up DON'T SPEND money you have, you are more or less throwing it away. We had $5 million in cap space last year that we didn't spend. Essentially, the Detroit Red Wings cap sat $5 million lower than the NHL cap. That makes no sense to me....


Unfortunately there are other factors that come in to play when signing someone aside from cap space and need. Does the sniper in question want a long term contract? Does he even want to play in Detroit? I don't think it's worth the risk to sign Semin or some other questionable player if they're looking for a several year contract. We're in tough shape today, but imagine how bad we would be with two Franzen-types locked up for the next five years. Is that really the solution? If he wants to play here, and is willing to play for one year, awesome. But otherwise it becomes iffy, and frankly I'd rather sit on the money and use it next year when some legit top players without all the baggage are available.
The Wings are in a unique position to for once have a lot of money to work with, but there's only scraps and garbage available to buy.



#2318482 Smith Leads Charge

Posted by Johnz96 on 12 July 2012 - 08:04 AM

This is what worries me. Watching him last year in a limited capacity was often cringe worthy with the bad passes and turnovers.

WTF???
You saw what you expected to see out of a rookie
He was credited with 4 giveaways and 5 takeaways (most veteran d-men are credited with more giveaways than takeaways) and the impression I got was that he is really smart and composed and was surprised at how few errors he made considering it was his first few games


#2318500 Holland Content with Current Roster

Posted by Johnz96 on 12 July 2012 - 08:41 AM

That line has been on loop for the last 4 years.....

I think nobody has more wins (regular season or playoffs) in the last 4 years. If you expect to win a Cup every year you're going to be disappointed a lot and overspending would make it even more more difficult to win one than it already is