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#2318510 Holland Content with Current Roster

Posted by 55fan on 12 July 2012 - 08:58 AM

Sorry, but conceding another hockey season (Babs didn't think his roster last year was going to be able to compete) won't fly in this town. Not signing one of the top 5 talents in the league because "we don't like what we hear about him" is ok if your team already has a sniper or two. Well, we don't.

I understand being smart with your money, but when you straight up DON'T SPEND money you have, you are more or less throwing it away. We had $5 million in cap space last year that we didn't spend. Essentially, the Detroit Red Wings cap sat $5 million lower than the NHL cap. That makes no sense to me....

I have to disagree. Not spending if you can't get your money's worth is a good thing.

I may have credit approved for $5000 but if I can get what I need for $3000, I'll do that and save the remainder.

Is Semin worth what he will eventually go for? Or is it a matter of waiting until he "goes on sale" due to lack of interest and ends up signing at a lower price? Or does he have problems that make him worth less than his asking price?

As far as dmen go, who is there that could replace Lidstrom? No one. We will have to settle for filling his place in the lineup. This won't happen with any free agents. We'll need to trade or wait a year and get someone better.

If anyone has a player who is that good, I have serious doubts that he will be on the trading block unless he's seriously overpaid, has health issues, or is a problem in the locker room.

We're taking a chance on Tootoo. I'm not sure it woud be wise to bring in Semin and a dman who may have issues as well.

We may add another forward, but I don't see us getting a big-name dman this season. The trade price would be seriously high. If they are trading a dman, they will want serious assets at the forward position, and we're all up in arms about how we need more snipers and have a pelthora of muckers and grinders. Any trade partner with a seriously good dman to trade will not be looking at dime-a-dozen grinders for a trade. At best we'll get a moderate dman for a couple of good forwards, and still need to improve in each category.

I'm not saying that this is the end of the road, I'm just saying it's not the Yellow Brick one.


#2318505 Holland Content with Current Roster

Posted by RedWingsDad on 12 July 2012 - 08:52 AM

That line has been on loop for the last 4 years.....


And yet in the past four years we have made it to the finals, and never missed the playoffs. I believe Holland is thinking long term - by not overpaying in FA he is ensuring he can put a competitive playoff team on the ice year after year. As we seen with LA... adding a key piece at the end of the season (or any number of other factors) can propel a team to the cup... so long as they make the playoffs of course. Yandle / Ryan / Nash are likely too expensive in trade assets - and he's not going to give the farm. We know Holland has made an offer for Nash, and may have for Yandle and Ryan for all we know. Now sure what you want him to do right now, besides overpay in trade assets.


#2318507 Holland Content with Current Roster

Posted by Echolalia on 12 July 2012 - 08:54 AM

Sorry, but conceding another hockey season (Babs didn't think his roster last year was going to be able to compete) won't fly in this town. Not signing one of the top 5 talents in the league because "we don't like what we hear about him" is ok if your team already has a sniper or two. Well, we don't.

I understand being smart with your money, but when you straight up DON'T SPEND money you have, you are more or less throwing it away. We had $5 million in cap space last year that we didn't spend. Essentially, the Detroit Red Wings cap sat $5 million lower than the NHL cap. That makes no sense to me....


Unfortunately there are other factors that come in to play when signing someone aside from cap space and need. Does the sniper in question want a long term contract? Does he even want to play in Detroit? I don't think it's worth the risk to sign Semin or some other questionable player if they're looking for a several year contract. We're in tough shape today, but imagine how bad we would be with two Franzen-types locked up for the next five years. Is that really the solution? If he wants to play here, and is willing to play for one year, awesome. But otherwise it becomes iffy, and frankly I'd rather sit on the money and use it next year when some legit top players without all the baggage are available.
The Wings are in a unique position to for once have a lot of money to work with, but there's only scraps and garbage available to buy.



#2318482 Smith Leads Charge

Posted by Johnz96 on 12 July 2012 - 08:04 AM

This is what worries me. Watching him last year in a limited capacity was often cringe worthy with the bad passes and turnovers.

WTF???
You saw what you expected to see out of a rookie
He was credited with 4 giveaways and 5 takeaways (most veteran d-men are credited with more giveaways than takeaways) and the impression I got was that he is really smart and composed and was surprised at how few errors he made considering it was his first few games


#2318500 Holland Content with Current Roster

Posted by Johnz96 on 12 July 2012 - 08:41 AM

That line has been on loop for the last 4 years.....

I think nobody has more wins (regular season or playoffs) in the last 4 years. If you expect to win a Cup every year you're going to be disappointed a lot and overspending would make it even more more difficult to win one than it already is


#2318494 Holland Content with Current Roster

Posted by Echolalia on 12 July 2012 - 08:29 AM

Look, Holland is being smart here. He tried his best to get both Parise and Suter, but in the end they wanted to be close to their families, which Michigan cannot provide. After those two, the free-agent pool drops off considerably. We have money and we have needs, but is it smart to utilize that money in a poor free agent market in attempt to fill your needs with average players, or would it be better to put a bandage on all the wounds for now and wait until next year when more high profile players will be free to sign wherever they like? Trades are always an option too, but when you need someone to replace Lidstrom, or some top-six sniper (in a dry free agent year no less), prices are going to be high. Holland admitted he wants at least another player before he's comfortable with the team, but it's goIng to be a bandage, not a permanent fix to our roster issues. This year can't provide us with a permanent fix. That's just the reality of it. Better luck next year.


#2318343 How bad are we if our roster is now finalized?

Posted by Hatethedrake! on 11 July 2012 - 06:31 PM

Who really cares about the Minnesota Wild anyway? The one positive I am taking from not getting Parise and Suter is that we have all kinds of Cap space for next summer to throw at Getzlaf, Perry and Weber when they become UFAs. I know these guys may not make it to UFA. I also know none of them may choose to sign with the Wings. But it's something positive to think about right now isn't it?


#2318291 Smith Leads Charge

Posted by Detroit # 1 Fan on 11 July 2012 - 03:06 PM

Glad to see some optimism around here. I also believe Smith is going to have a monster season, put this guy next to Kronwall and give him significant PP time, and the sky is the limit. He's one of the most overripe prospects in recent memory, and the last time we had a guy like that he got a Calder nomination..


#2318307 Wolski signs with Washington

Posted by Travis on 11 July 2012 - 04:11 PM

Good price, but it's not like Kenny missed out on a gem. This guy has been on 4 teams in 2 years, not including AHL stints. Clearly, there's a reason for that.


#2318205 Smith Leads Charge

Posted by redwingfan19 on 11 July 2012 - 11:46 AM

Smith will lead the D corps in scoring, book it.


#2318182 Smith Leads Charge

Posted by dat's sick on 11 July 2012 - 11:17 AM

Really, you think he'll get 43 points!? I doubt it.. 42 maybe, or 44.. but 43 seems an unrealistic expectation.

PS. I think he'll have a huge season and be a Calder finalist.


#2315723 The Next Move

Posted by ben_usmc on 05 July 2012 - 01:29 PM

posted this in another thread but this is probably more appropriate for here:
Look at it this way if you roll with what we have, and go into the regular season with all this free cap. Then we can have a very good idea on who can produce at this point (Nyquist, Tatar, Smith, etc...hell even some established players) and make trades accordingly. Our defense is not good but I don't think it will be the abortion on skates that most here do.

I say this b/c while Lids was imo the leading Norris candidate before injury, after he cameback he wasn't his normal self. Compound that with Stu who checked out very early and seemed basically one of our worst dman all year, and Quincey/White playing terrible= overall bad team d. Now with the inclusion of Smith (who will be better then either a terrible Quincey/Stu) and from watching Q in both Col/LA (he will be better), White may not improve much, he I don't think he will be as bad as late last year either, then to me the defense looks like a wash. It won't be near the top, nor near the bottom...

Our offense to me has already improved Tootoo will bring out more in either Helm or Abby. Sammy (though I dislike the signing) is an improvement over Hudler in physicality, plus he certainly is more willing to shoot! Brunner sounds like he will improve Helm (but I'm not totally counting on that). Nyquist in my opinion is going to blow peoples minds with a full season in the NHL. He looks a lot like Datsyuk so I have high expectations for him, last season in his time up he was at one point 7 for 7 points/games switching between 1st/4th line duties. The most recent comparison to me would be Matt Duchene in that he would get knocked off the puck super easy because of weight but pops back up instantly and is always making something happen. Tatar wasn't OMG amazing when brought up but compared to the baggage this team has dragged around the last 2 years, I believe he will be an improvement.

Our goaltending should improve hell we were using Conklin (I thought it was a good signing at the time, and I admit I as wrong as hell)

Wildcard statement: Give Sheehan some more time with the big club. The only NHL game he played in, it appeared he was great at maintaining control with people dragging on his back.

Overall my opinion is that we right now are about in the same boat as late last season. Right now we will make the playoffs, but get dropped in the 1st. Keep the cash until we see what we have and what's available, as long as we can just tread water while others start sinking then there is no point in throwing fist fulls of cash towards players just because it's what's popular (Suter/Parise) or trade away depth for (Ryan/Nash).


#2315629 St. James: Wings have inquired about Rick Nash

Posted by xtrememachine1 on 05 July 2012 - 11:08 AM

Wings aren't gonna get Nash. I can't see how any of you can think otherwise. Traded to a division rival? Just not gonna happen.


For starters, we're not really a "rival". The Wings are a first place team, the Jackets are a lottery pick team. Both franchises are at different points in development. Its not like trading Nash to the Wings now will screw them out of a division crown. Second, we'll be giving them players too. Whether it be Franzen, Filppula, Smith, Jurco, Tatar, or whomever, we're going to have to deal with those players when we play them. The players we would be giving them are players we're counting on to be stars in the future. Its not like its a salary dump here. The Wings want to be good now and we get a player that's good now. The Jackets want to be good in the future and we give them players that should be good in the future. Both teams would be getting what they want and need and that's the point of trading right?


#2315561 Holland comments on Suter & Parise going to Wild

Posted by wingslogo19 on 05 July 2012 - 09:16 AM

It sounds like Holland did pretty much everything he could to land Suter here. Just sounds like family is more important, no one can fault either of them for choosing where they wanted because of family ties


#2315423 Young Guns

Posted by Yak19 on 05 July 2012 - 12:03 AM

Holland offered Suter a nice contract he didn't take it get over it people. Most lgw'ers have been lucky enough to see the Wings win 4 cups, if this has to be a transition year to let guys get a feel for the NHL don't get pissy because fans of this team have been spoiled. Whatever happens from here on out im happy to get to see Smith develop and play a bigger role. Maybe get Semin to play with Datsyuk and possibly one of Colaiacovo, Kubina or Barker.


GO WINGS!