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#2681241 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by SwedeLundin77 on 01 July 2016 - 11:45 AM

McGinn to Yotes

3 years, 3.3 million.  Another solid signing that Holland was asleep for.  Could have added another dimension, but same old same old.




#2681060 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by SwedeLundin77 on 01 July 2016 - 10:47 AM

Neilson is better than Staal my friend. Staal is on a heavy decline and Neilson is yet to decline. Don't you prefer that?

 

Debatable.  You don't turn 30 and instantly decline, he may just need a new start in a new market.  Stranger things have happened.  He'd also probably sign for a shorter term whereas Nielsen is going to be signed for at least 5 years around 6 million....  I'd take Staal all day when considering that.  




#2681030 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by SwedeLundin77 on 01 July 2016 - 10:28 AM

Some other stuff: Patrick Wiercioch probably going to COL. An interesting AHL free agent, Matt Lorito, looking at DET.

 

Who in the hell is Matt Lorito??




#2681014 Darren Helm re-signed: 5 years, $3.85m AAV

Posted by SwedeLundin77 on 01 July 2016 - 10:19 AM

I just hope to the Gods that Helm is not in the top 6.  If we're using him as a center, he had better be on the third line at most.  Just sucks because this takes away from AA's playing time.  Holland is a moron, Helm deserved no more than 3 million over 3 years.  At least he's been relatively healthy over the past 2 seasons.




#2680761 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by SwedeLundin77 on 30 June 2016 - 09:53 PM

think we even have a chance at okposo?

I think we have a decent chance, but it certainly seems that if Minnesota wants to take him on, they will win.  I hope Holland at least gives it a shot, as I think Okposo is a forward that makes us deeper and adds a different dimension.




#2680754 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by SwedeLundin77 on 30 June 2016 - 09:26 PM

@TonyMarinaro RE if the Habs made an offer to Lucic: "Yes they did. But hearing it's come down to 2 teams Dallas or Edmonton. And he wants 6yr deal."

I'm fine without Lucic.... I'd rather have Okposo anyway for the same term/cap.




#2680481 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by SwedeLundin77 on 30 June 2016 - 01:35 AM

 

I'm guessing you mean that it leaves those 2 as natural centers, not wingers. You're right about that. We need a top center. Hopefully we can get something.

 

Sorry, natural centers.




#2680462 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by SwedeLundin77 on 30 June 2016 - 12:12 AM

 

The Wings don't have any first-line future stars in the minors. This is why Detroit relies on the over-ripe philosophy. Don't people get this by now? Their young players aren't new versions of Yzerman, Lidstrom, Zetterberg, or Datsyuk. They're Doug Browns, Slava Kozlovs, Kirk Maltbys, and other good but supporting players. Expecting every prospect to blossom into an all-star is folly.

I would argue that Svetchnikov has the potential to be a top-liner.  Time will tell.




#2680440 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by SwedeLundin77 on 29 June 2016 - 10:56 PM

Might not be the worst thing in the world to do nothing. I want to win a cup and sadly I don't think we do that now by signing free agents. The only way this team is going to be a bonafide contender in a few years is to get an Auston Matthews type player. And unfortunately that only happens by tanking. Stamkos would have allowed us to keep afloat for a few more years but I don't think Okposo or any combination of the other free agents makes us a contender.

There is no honor in tanking.  It's a terrible idea to purposely tank and I cannot comprehend how some of you suggest it as an option.  There are other ways to get back and we'll find our way there.




#2680418 Other than Stamkos, which FA forward do you want?

Posted by SwedeLundin77 on 29 June 2016 - 09:14 PM

 

We've given short term contracts and to me are just a waste of money.  He won't be an impact player.

You don't know that and you can't dismiss someone of his caliber over two bad seasons on a terrible team that he was probably sick of.  I'm not saying Staal is my dream signing, but we desperately need centers, true centers.  There are very few that can put up the possible points that he can.  You're looking at Staal who has scored 40+ goals twice, 30 goals three times, 20 goals four times, and had 18 in the lockout season.  He's only had less than 30 assists in 2 seasons (his rookie year and last season).  He'll be 32 at the start of the season and I believe still has plenty to prove.  I'm not saying he's guaranteed, but there are worse options, and if it's a 3 year or less deal for around 5 million or less, why not?  I'd rather take a risk on him over Nielsen.  Nielsen has pretty much shown his ceiling (right around 50 points).  I'm personally between Staal and Backes at this point for our center need/s.  We really really need to lock up Okposo.  Shoots right and adds a different dimension to our present wingers.  Hopefully, we don't lose another one to Minny.




#2680019 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by SwedeLundin77 on 28 June 2016 - 10:09 PM

Per Bob Duff of the Windsor Star (who also writes for HockeyBuzz) - http://www.hockeybuz...artin/216/77857

 

*scratches out projected fourth line*

It's just a report, and I'm not sure how much Duff really knows about the situation, but that's not what you pay a guy like Martin. If that's the market for him, it's waaay too rich for my blood.

That would be ludicrous....  I mean, 2 million is even pushing it.




#2679767 Lesser FA players.

Posted by SwedeLundin77 on 27 June 2016 - 10:47 PM

justin schultz wasn't qualified by the pens and is a UFA. could be a low risk/ high reward signing

 

Ruh roh... Wings were aggressively pursuing him in 2012.  I wonder if they still feel he'd be worth it.  I can see, if they can sign him to no more than a 2 year deal for $3.5 or under, that he might be worth the risk.  This is all if they strike out on any other d-men.  He and Smith were defensive partners at Wisconsin for one season.




#2679763 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by SwedeLundin77 on 27 June 2016 - 10:34 PM

Nyquist for Shattenkirk is where I would go.  Then you sign a UFA winger to replace Nyquist in the lineup, preferably Okposo.  The only thing that worries me about Shatty is that he is only signed for a year.




#2679492 The Holiday tradition: 2016 Draft thoughts.....

Posted by SwedeLundin77 on 25 June 2016 - 03:10 PM

Even IF we drafted Jones or Chychrun (lets focus on Chychrun), you really think the RED WINGS would have let them join the NHL next year? They forced themselves with Larkin because Datsyuk was leaving and thankfully it worked out because Larkin ended up being really good. Larkin is a once in a blue moon situation. 

 

You're just arguing for the sake of arguing. Don't kid yourself thinking that the number 16th pick would have been in a Red Wings jersey next year lol. We all know he would have been in GR. Most teams would have probably started Svechnikov this year but the Red Wings are likely to keep him down in GR for the next two years. And he's not even a defenseman (who typically take longer to develop)

 

If Cholowski does really well in college hockey he could end up here sooner rather than later. College programs are really good development processes anyways.

 

Like it or not, the Red Wings defense prospect pool just got thicker. It's been their goal all year heading into the draft and they weren't going to change that. They also addressed a secondary need by signing a bigger players. 

 

He saved me the response.  Thanks Kickazz!




#2679443 The Holiday tradition: 2016 Draft thoughts.....

Posted by SwedeLundin77 on 25 June 2016 - 11:20 AM

This is a bad draft for the RW's. True none of us know how any player is going to turn out, neither do the RW's. Every draft in every sport is nothing more than an educated guess. When a team passes over guys ranked in the top 20 for a guy ranked in the mid 30's those are not educated guesses. It isn't about player A or player B or player C. it is about being smart and getting player A AND player B AND player C. 5-6 years from now Cholowski could become a good player. While we are waiting for that how many 20 goal seasons will Gauthier have? How about Jones? Rustabov? Some of the others available when we picked will have 200+ NHL games played before Cholowski ever plays a pro game.

 

And where are you pulling 5-6 years from?  You have no clue.  4 years is probably the max, and possibly as few as 2 years depending on his development.  Kids are coming straight from college more and more often.  Larkin, Dekeyser came straight from college.  Cholowski was the fastest rising prospect in this year's draft.   He already has good size for an 18-year-old, and will add on within a year or two.  You're off your rocker if you think Gauthier, Jones, or Rubtsov will jump right into the NHL.  They'll more than likely need at least a season or two of development, maybe even 3.  They're not locks to be anything above top 6 players. 

 

"Kieffer Bellows is a pure shooter with question marks about the rest of his game. Max Jones is a nasty left winger with a size/speed combination and perhaps a 50-50 shot at either becoming a top-six power forward -- a better-skating version of the Scott Hartnell mold -- or else having a career as a role player somewhere in the range of the careers of former first-round picks Raffi Torres, Ben Eager or current Washington Capitals winger Tom Wilson. A lot of NHL scouts soured on Julien Gauthier's game as the 2015-16 season progressed. Questions started to fly about his adaptability to the NHL despite being a good finisher with a huge frame and excellent strength (although not very consistent in applying it)."  


A little intel on Jordan Sambrook:

 

Smooth-skating two-way defenceman who displays solid creativity and offensive instincts, as well as a strong defensive game. Can play lengthy shifts due to his conservative style without the puck, and can be relied upon in all situations. Mobile with and without the puck, and could even become a bit quicker. His size allows him to be physically assertive and protect the puck well. All-in-all, a defenceman who has the potential to become a well-rounded all-around player that can log a lot of ice-time. (Curtis Joe, EP 2016) - See more at: http://www.elitepros...h.SmsD9WRx.dpuf