Weiss didn't pass, Alfie didn't pass. Datsyuk resigned, Kronwall resigned. What do you want? We can't sign everyone. There are 29 other teams that are trying to get better just like we are. Do you want us to overpay someone just to say we signed them then to be stuck with a horrible cap hit for someone who isn't worth it 4-5 years down the road when we need to resign a bunch of our young guys?
We are building for the next 8-12 years not the next 2. People can't get that through their heads.
Yep , and in these next two years, the future beyond would have benefitted from giving Sproul and/or Ouellet a shot instead of a terrible defenseman making too much money.
Guys, it's only a 2 year deal. If we signed someone as a FA, we'd have to pay more and for a longer term. For a defenceman who plays 20 minutes a night, it's a good contract. Quincey would have got more if he hit the open market.
It's irrelevant how much he'd get on the open market. He is terrible, we'd be better off with Sproul or Ouellet.
Better get used to it. Those guys aren't going to get any healthier as their careers go on.
You're speaking as if it's an absolute.... Lidstrom was an iron man until the end, missing very few games - that's just one example that comes to mind. Jagr played 82 games last season.... You're statement while sometimes true, is not always true. You brushed right over my point that Boyle has not played less than 75 games in a season since before 08/09.
Loading your team up with aging vets, and playing them a ton of minutes, INCREASES the likelihood of injury. It doesn't decrease it.
I think Ken Holland is the only person on earth who thinks that injuries are the product of magic and not wear and tear.
The only aging vet on that list is Boyle, and he's been surprisingly resilient (hasn't played less than 75 games since before the 08/09 season. They have kids that are ready for spot duty here and there, so they could supplement toward the end of the season to give the vets a break (in this scenario - Boyle).
Without signing anyone he'd have to beat out Jurco. Also, Alfie will probably sign and we'll have this. I think it's pretty certain Mantha will start in GR.
I wouldn't say it's a certainty, he has a good chance to beat out someone, especially with how good he is. I'm happy with Jurco, but he needs to get the minutes necessary and he is the last one in that lineup that can be sent down.
What could Boyle teach Smith that Kronwall can't? Kronwall is the better player. He's had more success. Plays a gritty/offensive game (the way we'd like Smith to play). And he's a lefty, like Smith. Boyle and Smith have very little in common aside from the fact that neither are likely to score 20 pts. for the Red Wings next year (sorry, I had to).
Like I've said before, you can justify it however you like, but adding mediocre players to a mediocre team just leaves you mediocre.
Okay instead of just being negative in response, why not offer up what you think they should do?
Boyle isn't mediocre, even at 38. He had an off-year last year and still posted 36 points. He is a known commodity. Niskanen is not (not saying I wouldn't like Niskanen), but I can see the inherent risk in bringing him in for 7 years at 6 per. Whereas bringing in Boyle for 2 around 5 million is much less of a risk. Ehroff is another strong candidate but who knows what he'll ask for and what kind of term he'll want. They are also gunning for a righty, so that makes things a little tougher to sort out. Basically gives you Niskanen, Boyle, and Gilbert as the top right handed candidates. I'm not so sure that Gilbert fits the top 4 d-man mold, but I could be wrong, I'm not super familiar with his style of play. In the end, your assessment of Boyle is far off base, and like any veteran, he can teach the younger guys (like ANY veteran can) if they feel so inclined. It's not a discredit to Kronwall, just an additional guy to play off of and get experience from. You're entitled to your opinion, but when the facts say otherwise, it's hard to see things the same way. We'll see.
Just read on Reddit that we're prepared to offer Boyle a two year, $5+ contract. Then perhaps scoop up Erhoff. Seems like the priorities are backwards on that one, although Boyle is a righty.
Depends on your viewpoint on the whole thing. I can see where getting a right handed, proven veteran for 2 years as a stop gap to the kids coming in is a smart move. You don't tie up cap long-term and you give yourself flexibility for the next 2-3 UFA periods (what D may come available in the coming off-seasons?). Also Boyle would do wonders as a mentor to Smith, etc. I'm not saying this is my preference, but I can see the value in adding Boyle first and then going after a second d-man. I would be happy if they got Boyle and Gilbert and add 2 right handed shots without breaking the bank. Then they have money to add Iginla possibly (assuming the move out Kindl).
Thanks. I'd have a look at McBain for sure if we missed out on a couple other big names.
McBain could be a decent backup plan... I'm not too familiar with his style of play though. Had a couple decent seasons with Carolina. (30 and 27 pts).
Good thing you don't represent anyone but yourself. It's unfortunate we have fans like you.
Do us a favor and cheer for another team because things didn't go your way.
The sad thing is that things haven't had a chance to go any way since the free agency period is still 3 days away. I mean, Holland has already done his due diligence and met with the Agents of Niskanen and Boyle, plus unnamed other/s. He's doing what he's supposed to at this point, so why don't we wait until a little down the line to start throwing tantrums, right?
Also, last off-season, he arguably made two solid moves getting Weiss and Alfie. Weiss had a bad year with injuries, and Alfie was a solid addition.
Holland failing to make room for improvements on the NHL roster. Still have too many forwards, s***ty D. No room for UFA's. Failing to trade Kindl, Andersson. He will just kick tires for the rest of his career. He absolutely disappointed Red Wings Nation again thus far. Sure his drafts were solid, but Detroit as a NHL team still sucks. Get ready for Q and Alfie to come back when no UFA of any value wants to come here after Holland, once again, fails to make his team a more attractive place to play. Pathetic. " But, but, were Detroit, everyone wants to play here...for pennies. "
Holy geeze, relax. We haven't even hit Free Agency yet.... trades are still possible. He set meetings up with Niskanen, Boyle, and an unnamed forward. He can't sign anyone until Tuesday. Why don't we wait until later in the summer to make judgements on how the upcoming season may look. It's laughable how worked up some people get.