I've said it before, but I really want Mantha on Pavel's wing. Throughout his junior career, people have complained that he doesn't dominate play - Malik even complained about it after the first prospects game (after he scored 2 goals ). Those who watch him closely say this is because his style of play doesn't involve chasing round the O-zone, but rather waiting for the puck to come to him and then taking advantage. Rather like Brett Hull used to be with Pav - hanging round the slot while the kids mucked around in the corners, the puck would suddenly come free and there was an open Brett Hull firing a shot on net.
Sounds like Mantha has the shot, and the awareness (and the size, and the skating) to be a perfect foil to Pav.
Euro_Twins....if you are purely looking at stats, I don't think Datsyuk has a chance at the Hall at all at this point. 804 points in 824 is good enough? Don't think so. Lindros has 865 points in 760 games and has a Hart and Pearson...he's not in.
My personal starting discussion point used to be 1,000 points AND over 1 ppg. Anything less than that would be very difficult, but there would be exceptions (e.g. several high end trophies)
GMR has nailed it. If that is your criteria, then only a handful of players drafted during the Bettman era will make the HOF. One only has to look at the list of total NHL points, I think Thornton is the highest ranked Bettman era player and he was something like 37th last time I checked. The list is dominated by guys drafted in the 70s and 80s. Under your criteria, all the accumulators who played in the 80s will get in ahead of the superstars of the 21st century, which is just wrong.
Plus Pav's points can't be looked at in isolation, the guy won 3 consecutive Selke's whilst averaging 92 points and winning a cup. He's a top-10 all time defensive forward. Throw in his jaw dropping playstyle and he is just a unique player.
Is this a thread where all of LGW is in agreement on our problems moving the puck? The inability of our D to make a pass under pressure? The number of board battles our wingers lose in their own zone? The lack of righties? Check, check and check.
Quincey is the king of passing the puck into his partners skates, Kindl won't take a hit to make a play. Smith got a lot better when he was taken away from Quincey and gained the confidence to start skating the puck out of the zone. Lashoff just chips it out (the "safe" play) which means the puck just comes straight back at us.
I'm officially calling for a 2015 TANK job. I think we can all agree, there is absolutely NOTHING to amp us up and get excited about in the upcoming season. Literally, NOTHING.
Instead of praying for another 8th seed finishing of limping into the playoffs and getting decimated in the 1st round, I would much rather hope for an absolute tank and hopefully get a top 3 draft pick. Not only will this give us all something to get excited for, but it might also spark some much needed change in the organization's management.
Who's with me? #Tankit2014
Well, I've read some ridiculous hyberbole on here lately, but this one takes the biscuit.
Last year, with no Datsyuk, no Zetterberg and an out of form Howard we still made the playoffs. What do you think we could achieve with our 2 star players and our goalie back to 2013 form?
As for nothing to be excited about? Pavel Datsyuk excites me every time he steps onto the ice. Nyquist. Jurco. Tatar. Hanks beard excites me. MANTHA.
Go ask Oilers fans how Operation Tank is working for them, and how much they are looking forward to another season of it.
No source to show, I know someone close to Holland. I only get to talk to him maybe once a year though. That's why when I do, I get all kinds of info at once, just like last year. But their intentions are to trade pulkinnen in a package, they know he probably won't have a shot at making the team with nyquist Tatar jurco sheahan and mantha.
He will be traded before the end of the season in a package. Like it or not.
Source or no source, its pretty obvious there isn't a roster spot opening up anytime soon for him. Same with Oullet/Sproul/Backman/Marchenko/Jensen - there is 1, maybe 2 spots on the roster coming up on D in the next few years, so some of them are going to have to be traded. Save them for now, package them up when the right player becomes available on the trade market
Wanted to go back and review this thread from the beginning. My first post was all about our strengths at G and D and the need for forwards. the second post was 3 targets for us to go after, one of which was larkin. Second year in a row that I had the draft pretty well nailed.
We ended up at 15, which back in January was the same spot. With our 7 picks we took 1 G and 6 forwards, all of which that are over 6ft tall. For years we had some crazy man crush on small players. The past 2-3 drafts we are finally drafting guys with modern NHL size. Overall great job by Holland and company!
Now we have no idea how any of these guys will turn out. The draft is all about getting value with each pick. This year we did it and didn't have any reaches. Very happy overall.
Once the season gets going again, I will still posting thoughts about the 2015 draft. But in about a week I will be taking a hockey break to enjoy the rest of the summer. waiting until the UFA period happens of course.
You answered your own point. Many years the Wings haven't had a 1st rounder, when they did it was often nearer a 2nd rounder. So they had to go for "value" . That often meant smaller, skilled players, or bigger less skilled players. Because the big, skilled players are gone by picks 10-15.
You think a 6-3 Kronwall is available at 29? A 6-0 Hudler at 58? A 6-2 Filpulla at 95? A 6-2 Nyquist at 121? A 6-1 Tatar at 60?
Most of our bigger, less skilled players didn't work out, whereas we had more success with the smaller, skilled guys. But the last few drafts the Wings have publicly said they know the pendulum swung too far that way.
Everyone keeps bringing up Rafalski, but keeps forgetting that Rafalski could skate. Almquist can't. Remember Rafalski his last 2 years when his back and his knees went and he couldn't keep up? It was painful to watch opponents repeatedly beat him round the outside because he had neither the size nor the speed to stop them.