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#2537603 Babcock " I dont think it will be my final year here"

Posted by kipwinger on 29 September 2014 - 03:49 PM

 

No kidding. 

 

My point was that people tend to overrate prospects and it's incredibly hard to predict how they will fare in the NHL, even for professionals.

 

 

Like these future Red Wings:

 

"He is a man amongst boys sometimes. He's not overly physical, but he takes the man and plays the body and he's got a little chip on his shoulder at times. But he's more of a skilled guy." -- Red Wings director of amateur scouting Joe McDonnell (December 2005)  "He's gotten stronger. He still needs to get a little bit stronger, but at training camp, he came close to making the team. He was definitely good enough to play and stick there. He's the kind of guy who plays better with better players. Down the road, I would think he's going to be a top-four guy. He's good on the power play and he's a real smart kid." -- McDonnell (October 2006) 

 

 

"He's got very good hockey sense, good stick skills, and he's a Red Wings type of player, the way he thinks the game. We think he's a top two line player. Like with all kids, he needs to improve his strength. He needs to work on his leg strength and get his skating a little bit stronger, but it's just the maturing of the body." -- Red Wings assistant general manager Jim Nill (June 2006) ... "His hockey sense is his best asset. He's a very smart player. He's just got to get bigger and stronger, but he's a pretty well-rounded guy." -- Red Wings director of amateur scouting Joe McDonnell (October 2006) ...

 

 

That's Kindl and Emmerton.

 

 

I hope these young guys turn into NHL d-men, I just don't think you really can tell too much until they get time with the big club. 

 

I get what you're saying but I think you're over simplifying a bit.  I mean, scouts lauded Emmerton and scouts lauded Nyquist.  But it would be silly to suggest that there's no telling which of the two would be a better NHLer until they get to the big club.  You could tell by their AHL careers who would be better before they ever touched the NHL.  One dominated that league, and one was average.  That's all I'm saying about these d-men.  Jakub Kindl in his best AHL season wasn't as good as Ryan Sproul just was as a rookie.  Does that guarantee that Sproul will be stud NHLer?  Absolutely not.  But it's a pretty good indication that he'll be better than Jakub Kindl.  I don't think it's fair to say "we don't know until they get there".  We know how these guys project, and we know how far along their developmental trajectories they are based on how well they're playing against their current level of competition.  So I think it's safe to draw SOME conclusions from that.  Not guarantees.  But certainly conclusions. 




#2537567 Babcock " I dont think it will be my final year here"

Posted by The Secret on 29 September 2014 - 11:37 AM

Another one of these ridiculous threads.... everytime Babcock farts there seems to be more speculation that he is not happy (even though he says he is) and he is going somewhere (probably Toronto because they are already planning their Stanley Cup Parade).

 

The other hilarious thing is that folks believe that replacing a battle tested and proven winner/veteran/warrior/genius (Mr. B-cock) with a green eared but eager rookie (Blashill) is somehow going to ward off massive debilitating injuries to key players, improve goalie consistency, prevent hall of fame legends from ever retiring, strengthen backup goalie's groinal area, add testoterone back into the balls of mules AND be that which attracts every key free agent to want to sign up for all of this (deep breath) will undoubtedly improve things.

 

Babcock + Holland + Health + Experience = Success wait and see




#2537797 Are the wings underrated?

Posted by kliq on 30 September 2014 - 12:32 AM

How can anyone say the wings are underrated? Lol

 

See bold below lol.

 

Not to say there are no valid points in there, but there is a giant negative cloud over this team right now by some fans.

 

I'm in no way saying we are something we are not, I believe our ceiling is #3 seed (if absolutely everything clicked) and our floor is #10th seed (if we have another year of injuries, a decline/sophomore slump of our kids, and another bad year from Howard). Realistically, we finish between #6 - #8. For a team rebuilding, I would take this any day. Being a Lions fan, I have seen a team being run into the ground, this is not it...alot of Wings fans view us as being garbage, I hope our kids prove them all wrong.

 

No, most have realistic views of this team : - downhill since the last scf appearance - injuries are part of the game and will only increase as teams are getting older - potential but yet unproven talent - no playstyle identity - no PP - bad defense Given all that they are exactly rated in where the Wings are << treading water and hoping that some prospects are turning out much better than expected...




#2537783 Are the wings underrated?

Posted by kliq on 29 September 2014 - 10:05 PM

In my opinion non red wing fans and media underrate the wings because they love prospects and the next it team however wings fans clearly overrate the wings so it should be somewhere in be tween

 

I would disagree with this. I believe most Wings fans right now are completely underrating the Wings due to the frustration they have with the style of re-build the Wings are undertaking. Some fans have expectations of immediate results, and the fact that we have not been contenders for a few years just eats away at some. You cant read a single thread on this board (which is filled with die-hards) without reading how how "Holland ruined this team".

 

I think fans underrate them, I think overall the media are somewhere in the middle.




#2537565 Ericsson/Smith Day-to-Day with groin/hip flexor issues

Posted by kipwinger on 29 September 2014 - 11:31 AM

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, WILL SOMEONE PLEASE SIGN AN ENFORCER!




#2537563 Ericsson/Smith Day-to-Day with groin/hip flexor issues

Posted by Euro_Twins on 29 September 2014 - 11:30 AM

Mother of god.....I'm tired of posting these already....
 
 


Regular pre season stuff, more worrisome if it carries into the regular season.


#2537768 9/29 Exhibition GDT : Maple Leafs 0 at Red Wings 3

Posted by TheXym on 29 September 2014 - 09:07 PM

The Tatar-Sheahan-Jurco line should stay together. If that's our third line drawing weaker d-men, look out.


#2537784 9/29 Exhibition GDT : Maple Leafs 0 at Red Wings 3

Posted by Ekmanc on 29 September 2014 - 10:12 PM

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#2537774 9/29 Exhibition GDT : Maple Leafs 0 at Red Wings 3

Posted by Echolalia on 29 September 2014 - 09:11 PM

Mrazek is making shutouts his thing. 3 shutouts in 9 games last year. I don't know what he's played in the preseason this year but at least one full shutout so far.


#2537413 Datsyuk 2nd degree separated shoulder injury - out approx 4 weeks

Posted by DickieDunn on 26 September 2014 - 10:11 PM

I wonder if Probert(God bless his soul) was riding shotgun on the wing for Z or D what would be outcome?

 

Probie had the tools to play the game AND be the man playing police officer.

 

Heck what if it was Kocur instead?

 

Would this lineup be energized a bit more knowing the little bothersome "rats" would have to answer?

 

 

But back to the injury things could be worse.....http://www.tsn.ca/hu...ght-leg-1.91360

 

 

If Probert was playing now (and clean, if he was doing the crap he did back then now he'd never make it) coaches wouldn't want him to fight much.  He had enough talent that they'd want him on the ice, not in the box.


 

Not that I'm arguing that the Wings necessarily need a meathead, but the last Cup win the Wings had Aaron Downey in the lineup.  And Babcock played him in 56 games.  

 

It's not just an outdated concept from 17 years ago.

 

With Tootoo I think it was more that he could never really hit effectively without taking himself well out of position.  And as admirable as it was that he'd drop the gloves with anyone, he hardly struck fear in the hearts of anyone except when he suckerpunched them.  Most of what he did on the Wings was staged fights.

 

 

And zero playoff games.  Mark Hartigan played 4 games that run.  Downey had zero influence on the Wings winning the Cup that year.




#2537297 Wings sign Defenseman Joe Hicketts to Entry Level Contract.

Posted by F.Michael on 25 September 2014 - 03:13 PM

 

 

I usually send out a press release.  But you LGW bozos are too busy reading about hockey to read them.  Hockey...the opiate of the masses.

Myself, and fellow 'knuckle draggers' only read the fight threads...Oh - and the 'funnies' as well on the back page.




#2537240 Wings sign Defenseman Joe Hicketts to Entry Level Contract.

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 24 September 2014 - 09:00 PM

Wait I'm 5'9" and I'm 25... Does that mean I can still grow??? :) please make it happen Santa!! I have 3 weeks till I'm 26 so it has to happen soon

 

Sounds like another soft euro to me.   ;)




#2537223 Wings sign Defenseman Joe Hicketts to Entry Level Contract.

Posted by Euro_Twins on 24 September 2014 - 07:15 PM

 
To be fair he's only 18, and men grow till the mid 20's--so he can still hit a growth spurt. He probably won't grow into a monster, but no reason he can't be 5'11 or 6' feet tall. 


Wait I'm 5'9" and I'm 25... Does that mean I can still grow??? :) please make it happen Santa!! I have 3 weeks till I'm 26 so it has to happen soon


#2536707 Training Camp Thread

Posted by number9 on 21 September 2014 - 09:03 PM

I'm predicting 82 gp, 27-20-47 for Cleary this year. I think that's pretty fair based on his training camp performance thus far.




#2536710 Training Camp Thread

Posted by gcom007 on 21 September 2014 - 09:11 PM

I'm predicting 82 gp, 27-20-47 for Cleary this year. I think that's pretty fair based on his training camp performance thus far.

 

That's pretty conservative...way to play it safe.


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