I think you are hitting the nail on the head, Kip. Plus, the timing of his injury had to put a cramp on the development curve. How many games did he miss? Plus, how long did it take him to get to full game conditioning one he was playing? He basically lost all he'd gained from the prospects camp, etc. and then some. I think he will be fine once he gets over the curve you mentioned. Plus, he is playing against bigger and more experienced players than he did in the Q.
I don't think we should underestimate the effect missing training camp and the start of the season can have on a player. Over the years plenty of guys - vets, star players - who get injured in pre-season take months to get back in form when they come back. Imagine you're a kid playing in your first pro season. Mantha gets a semi-mulligan from me for that.
Can we all admit that there's a huge jump from the AHL to the NHL, that scoring a ton in the AHL doesn't mean a guy will score int he NHL, and sendPulinnen back down to learn how to do more than try to fire a slapper every time he touches the puck in the offensive zone? Kid needs to settle the @#$& down instead of trying to shoot the puck through the goalie's chest every time.
Thing is, he's at that point where all he's going to learn in the AHL now is bad habits - rather like Mantha spending last season in the Q rather than the AHL. He needs to learn how to play his game in the NHL, and the only way he can do that...is in the NHL. There was a moment in the STL game where he skated over the blue line, wound up for a shot, and was instantly surrounded by 3 Blues who stripped the puck and set off the other way on an odd-man rush.
He won't get the space in the NHL that he gets in the AHL. He won't get goalies ducking out of the way of his shots like he does in the AHL. He needs to figure out how to play his game at this level.
Having said that, we have no room for him right now, so once we're healthy he should go back down.
That's exactly the point. I don't think we're that good. I was trying to make my case for that. To "admit" that we are, would be contrary to how I feel, and also what I've witnessed while watching us flounder against teams like Toronto (lately). We were good in November. We were crappy in December. And we'll see how we look in January and February.
But you act like we're the only team this happens to. You think we're the only playoff team to lose to the Sabres or the Panthers or the Leafs? You think we're the only playoff team to go on a hot streak,then a cold streak?
And as for struggling lately, we're actually 7-3-0. We've just been on a road trip that many predicted doom and gloom on, and went 4-2. But I'm sure we'll lose a game soon enough that will validate your opinion of us.
You guys know that we can't just blame everything on the shootout right?
Like...the fact that we even went to shootouts against non-playoffs teams isn't good. We've lost in the shootout to Toronto, Columbus, Florida, Colorado, and Buffalo. So even if there were no "skills competition", it's hardly a feather in our cap to regularly go to overtime against the trash of the league.
I agree that last night was a good win. And I hope we can build on it. But can we stop with the shootout blaming already? No matter how you cut it, we haven't been very good over the last month, Skillz Kompetishon or no.
I could've sworn we just went 4-2 on a road trip. We are on a par with, or within touching distance of, every good team in the league. We're over halfway through the season, there's only 6 points separating the top-10 teams, and we are in that grouping. We're top-10 in points, PP, PK, Face-offs, SA and GA. 12th and 13th in GF and SF which some will no doubt see as evidence of our weakness, but still places us in the top half. Whichever way you look at it, we're a good team. The Toronto's and Colorado's of this world, every other team in the NHL gets to play them too, and guess what? They haven't managed to separate themselves from us by beating up on this supposed trash that we couldn't beat.
And I'm not blaming anything on the SO, but it is a fact that some teams points totals are flattered by it, and others aren't. We are in the latter category.
He was very, very good in both post-seasons, but in a different way.
2008 the team in front of him was dominant, and he had to make very few saves. But crucially - and I pointed this out repeatedly in the GDTs at the time - the saves he had to make were usually of the "golden chance" variety. Our high tempo, smothering play style conceded very few chances, but when it broke down it usually left someone all alone in front. Zetterberg was our clear MVP, Osgood is in a group with Lids, Dats step below. Much pretty much everyone on the roster that year was an A.
2009 was a complete different kettle of fish. The team in front of him was battered and broken down, and not playing particularly great. He was easily our best player as we didn't dominate anything like we did in '08
A friend of mines mom was a real estate agent back in the day and she was somehow involved in the sale of Shanny's home in Detroit. Apparently all he had in his basement (which was a dark unfinished cellar basically) were boxes of thousands of Shanahan trading cards and cot, not a bed, a cot. He told her that that is where he sleeps on the night before a game. Dude's hardcore.
He's also well known for winding people up with enormous porkies. Remember when it said the media guide that he was a backup goalie for Ireland at the 94 World Cup?
The difference being Dom and Ozzy won the big ones.
There is no difference. Except the players they had in front of them.
I've been following the Wings on message boards for 12+ years, and it doesn't matter who is in net - Osgood, Hasek, CuJo, Howard - there is a hardcore minority of Wings fans who are never happy with our goaltending, and for who the minimum standard is 82-0-0 with a 1.000 SV% and 0.00GAA. I remember 07-08 and the endless goalie threads bitterly complaining about how bad our goaltending was (we allowed fewest goals in the league that season). I remember the 2003 playoffs, in order to beat the Ducks 4-0, CuJo would have needed a 0.75GAA and the Wings to score 2 more goals, yet for many he was the only reason we lost.
Kronwall toe-picks, Ericsson stands around like a fart in a trance, one of the best players in the world scores a sick backhand, and somehow its all Jimmys fault?
I think the Wings are very easy to play against physically. The big guys aren't known for their hitting. Franzen is big and skilled, but doesn't really battle for pucks. Team speed is supposed to be our real strength, but that didn't really work for us when playing against a team like Boston.
Interestingly, when we moved East there was a thread on HFboards with fans of Eastern teams saying how soft Detroit were. I was pleasantly surprised to see fans of Chicago, San Jose and Anaheim posting to say essentially "if you think Detroit is soft because they don't have any tough guys, you're in for a shock".
Comparing us to Boston (and I know you want us to be just like Boston) is comparing us to the gold standard. They are a blend of size, toughness, goaltending and elite skill that rarely comes along - Anaheim 2007 is probably the last example. And they've still only won 1 cup with it.