A friend of mines mom was a real estate agent back in the day and she was somehow involved in the sale of Shanny's home in Detroit. Apparently all he had in his basement (which was a dark unfinished cellar basically) were boxes of thousands of Shanahan trading cards and cot, not a bed, a cot. He told her that that is where he sleeps on the night before a game. Dude's hardcore.
He's also well known for winding people up with enormous porkies. Remember when it said the media guide that he was a backup goalie for Ireland at the 94 World Cup?
The difference being Dom and Ozzy won the big ones.
There is no difference. Except the players they had in front of them.
I've been following the Wings on message boards for 12+ years, and it doesn't matter who is in net - Osgood, Hasek, CuJo, Howard - there is a hardcore minority of Wings fans who are never happy with our goaltending, and for who the minimum standard is 82-0-0 with a 1.000 SV% and 0.00GAA. I remember 07-08 and the endless goalie threads bitterly complaining about how bad our goaltending was (we allowed fewest goals in the league that season). I remember the 2003 playoffs, in order to beat the Ducks 4-0, CuJo would have needed a 0.75GAA and the Wings to score 2 more goals, yet for many he was the only reason we lost.
Kronwall toe-picks, Ericsson stands around like a fart in a trance, one of the best players in the world scores a sick backhand, and somehow its all Jimmys fault?
I think the Wings are very easy to play against physically. The big guys aren't known for their hitting. Franzen is big and skilled, but doesn't really battle for pucks. Team speed is supposed to be our real strength, but that didn't really work for us when playing against a team like Boston.
Interestingly, when we moved East there was a thread on HFboards with fans of Eastern teams saying how soft Detroit were. I was pleasantly surprised to see fans of Chicago, San Jose and Anaheim posting to say essentially "if you think Detroit is soft because they don't have any tough guys, you're in for a shock".
Comparing us to Boston (and I know you want us to be just like Boston) is comparing us to the gold standard. They are a blend of size, toughness, goaltending and elite skill that rarely comes along - Anaheim 2007 is probably the last example. And they've still only won 1 cup with it.
I remember a rather extensive period of time here when half the people on this forum were as high or higher for Kindl as they seem to now be for Ouellet. But heading to the NHL and having to face that level of competition and pressure while continuing to grow is no easy task. I hope Ouellet works out a lot better, and he very well could and probably should, but I won't be shocked if he doesn't. We've seen days like this before, and we'll see them again. Prospects, no matter how promising, are just prospects until they prove they can really do it at the NHL level. You just can't put all your faith in them unless you're fine getting burnt at least half the time if not more.
Thing is, Kindl always had question marks over his play in the AHL, I remember he was -33 or somesuch one year, and he never put up big numbers like Kronwall did despite being an "offensive" defenceman. His NHL career is pretty much what could be predicted from his play in the minors.
Oullet is 21 and playing like a man already. People are high on him for a reason. Not to mention we have 5 (FIVE!) top D prospects who all run out of waiver exemption in 2 years, at the same time. We need to start feeding them into the NHL now, as and when they become ready.
And if we can't trade Kindl for a 7th and eating half his salary, then waive him, maybe we'll get lucky and someone will pick him up. If not, he'd be a good 3rd pairing defenceman in Grand Rapids.
You know who I miss a ton? Crymson. I think he disappeared when this last bunch of knuckle heads rolled in. That guy was my daily Xanax bar. Come back Crym!
He still posts on HFboards, but he's changed. Whereas he was Hollands biggest defender, he is now Hollands biggest critic. He's like a jilted lover - all the energy and aggression he poured into defending Holland is now directed at attacking Holland.
Wasn't Eva the Hudler lover? maybe you'll find him/her on the Flames board.
Yes he was. He also had a completely irrational hatred of Mark Messier that I never managed to get to the bottom of.
Haven't been here long enough, so I don't know anything about these guys but personally I never get too attached to arguments on a forum. I don't care if others think that I'm a debbie downer or whatever, I always try to keep a realistic approach, if others prefer to take the more optimistic thing that's fine also.
I mean after all, the forum would be pretty boring and low activity if everyone agreed with everyone right ? I've been on such a forum for 1 month (mods kicked everyone, who didn't share their view of not only hockey but also other non hockey stuff) and the funniest part was those so called "mods" where all from hockey-teams which existed for less than 9 years ! so basically plastic clubs.
You'd have loved it Grimey, endless threads on why the Wings aren't tough enough and need more fighters. Huge, long, threads with the same posters going round and round arguing the same points with all posters identified as pro or anti-fighting (except we were never anti fighting, we were anti-goons who contribute nothing else, but that was always ignored). Cheerleader in chief for the pro-fighting camp was the delightfully named E.S.A.D. who regarded himself as a balanced and tolerant poster, and would always preface his attacks on the anti-fighters with something like "I know you guys can't help it, you're all euro pinko commie homo veggies, and its not your fault that you lack the intelligence to appreciate my argument, I really do understand that" and thought that made him a fair guy who saw both sides of the argument Anyone who disagreed with him had clearly never worn skates or been to a game
I think the issue is that some people act like the Legwand deal represents Holland's career personified. Like the guy can't be trusted to make another trade or run his team. That's the issue for me anyway. There weren't nearly as many theads and posts praising Holland in 08 as there have been ones bashing him this summer and so far this fall. I know it's the nature of sports and sports fans, but I grow weary.
Case in point.
Well I wasn't on the forum in 08, but I suspect that there weren't too many people complaining about anything that season. So I'd be really shocked if there were a bunch of Holland bashing threads back then. In general my guess is that when the team is bad, people complain. And when the team is good, they praise...Mike Babcock.
You would be wrong. 2007-8 was one long bitchfest, mainly about how the team was too soft to compete in the playoffs. When people weren't bitching about the lack of fighters, there were endless threads about our sucktacular goaltending as Hasek and Osgood fanboys took turns in deriding the other goaltender as an over the hill fruitcake, or as never good enough in the first place.
The month of February saw us decimated by injuries, with a 1st pairing of Lilja-Lebda. Nevertheless, the associated slump in results was proof positive for all the Chicken Lickens that the team was not good enough to win the cup.
Trade deadline day was an orgy of Holland hate. The announcement of the Stuart trade, coming after the deadline had passed, meant that the outright fury was only quelled down to a sullen, grudging "OK , I guess that'll do", but prior to that not even the Cleary re-signing generated so much HOLLAND YOU SUCK!!!!
Being 3-0 up against the Stars and them coming back to 3-2 was further proof positive that this team wasn't good enough to win the cup.
Not to mention, we had Eva Unit Zero and his always entertaining mental gymnastics bemoaning the under utilisation of Jiri Hudler, and how Hudler was a better player than Messier etc etc, if only we used Hudler more.....
Finally, we had Mindfly. If you weren't here for it, it would be hard for you to understand just how overwhelmingly negative he was. Every loss, every goal against, every shot against, every icing, every lost faceoff was evidence of what a truly terrible team we had, how Holland should be fired, and the whole team traded for prospects and picks. After every loss he would pop up, preaching his gospel of doom and gloom. Thankfully we won a lot that year. I think us winning game 6 in Pittsburgh was probably the worst night of his life.
I've said it before, but I really want Mantha on Pavel's wing. Throughout his junior career, people have complained that he doesn't dominate play - Malik even complained about it after the first prospects game (after he scored 2 goals ). Those who watch him closely say this is because his style of play doesn't involve chasing round the O-zone, but rather waiting for the puck to come to him and then taking advantage. Rather like Brett Hull used to be with Pav - hanging round the slot while the kids mucked around in the corners, the puck would suddenly come free and there was an open Brett Hull firing a shot on net.
Sounds like Mantha has the shot, and the awareness (and the size, and the skating) to be a perfect foil to Pav.